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Nightenhowl

You should make a thread about that topic Vamp Emily, information shouldn't be carried by addons only scouts and people at the sieged keeps. Time is crucial in this numbers game and having an addon that spits out details like that isn't good for those with less resources.

Lumsdenml

vamp_emily wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

Emily, are you referring to Cyrodiil HUD? All of that information is available on the map, provided you are looking closely.

Yes that is the addon I was referring to. I understand that the information is provided; but, what makes this addon an unfair advantage is the way the information is displayed.

Example 1: ( using addon )
EP has a total of 10 people on and DC has 3 bar population. EP comes up with a plan to take Fare back, they get in position set up siege and begin to fire.

A DC member, with the addon, gets a notification that Fare is being sieged, he yells in zone chat "Everyone goto Fare.. now".

EP Dies.


Example 2: ( no addon )
EP has a total of 10 people on and DC has 3 bar population. EP preps Chal and Bleakers then sets up siege on Fare. DC, on the other hand, are just hanging out at Nikel talking about AD ( no addon notifications / siege information on their screen).

Someone from DC looks at the map and sees bleakers flagged, then chal flagged, then 16 sieges on Fare. They then notify everyone in zone chat the keeps/outposts are being attacked.

EP takes Fare.


This is just my point of view and I am sure everyone does disagree, but I feel these types of addons create an unfair advantage for alliances that are under populated. Instant siege information displayed on your screen is just wrong.

You know, everyone has access tho this add on and it could work for ep as well as against (or any alliance for that matter).

By the way, awesome push by EP last night! Did AD come in last place?

MrCal

That add on that tells people a keep is being sieged is for nubs and cheaters imo, that add on is too op to have but of course, its all about winning to people.

Adenoma

I don't know of an add on that will tell someone there is enemy siege on a home keep if it's not flagged yet. I only know of add ons that give a HUD that says which keeps are flagged and by how many siege, or if siege has popped up at a home keep. All of this is freely available on the map, just harder to analyze all at once.

vamp_emily

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

THE difference is when blue is on capping in the morning there isnt anyone else on. AD has a total of like 10 people on, maybe, in the morning, which is when DC takes emp and the entire map. If you cant see that you are blind. No one is crying, just talking about the imbalance which is obvious.

Sounds like you might be the blind one.

I don't know how many times I logged into BwB after work just to notice AD had Ash and some times Glade. I've even made comments in chat like "Can't I just log in one day and we have Ash" and "Oh they might as well make Ash ADs home keep since they control it all the time".

Just because in the last 3 weeks we capped during day hours doesn't mean we have a zerg running in those hours. The times I have logged in during the day hours ( mostly on weekends ) the population is basically the same on all alliances.

This is what I think happened.

The TG came out, AD logs in as normal and DC kills them. AD is mad because their CP is no long good in BwB and then they try to fight back just to get their feeling hurt. They are not smart enough to stand out of the red circles then die to our sieges. They quit ( or at least say they did ) and then come on the forum talking trash about how PvP is not fun any more.

You know what is sad is, sometimes we have to log out of BwB just so you can take some of your keeps back. Its not that you are under populated, you just can't compete with us unless you have a pop locked and/or EP is hitting us from the other side of the map.

As far as your comment goes about imbalance, if you weren't blind you would see the comments I made about how we need to get more people on EP side to make it fun for everyone. ( I am glad to see EP had 3 bars last night )

CheesyDaedra

vamp_emily wrote: »

-snip-

That would be really unfair if it actually worked that way, but it doesn't.

As Adenoma said all info is provided by the in-game map, the addon API won't allow anyone to get any other kind of data.

The siege amount will only show up in the map when a keep gets flagged and so on for enemy alliances, but you can always see how much siege your own guys are setting up near other keeps. If the problem are *cough* muh spahs *cough* then the blame's on your side :^)

DeadlyRecluse

vamp_emily wrote: »

we need to get more people on EP side to make it fun for everyone. ( I am glad to see EP had 3 bars last night )

Because I'm such a positive person, I'm just going to focus on this part and say I agree absolutely! Fighting reds the past couple days has been fun, the potential for real three-way AvA seems near.

vamp_emily

Adenoma wrote: »

I don't know of an add on that will tell someone there is enemy siege on a home keep if it's not flagged yet. I only know of add ons that give a HUD that says which keeps are flagged and by how many siege, or if siege has popped up at a home keep. All of this is freely available on the map, just harder to analyze all at once.

I must be wrong, sorry for the misleading information.

I just used it once and now I think about it the keeps may have been flagged when I received notification.

Sorry.

DeadlyRecluse

vamp_emily wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

I don't know of an add on that will tell someone there is enemy siege on a home keep if it's not flagged yet. I only know of add ons that give a HUD that says which keeps are flagged and by how many siege, or if siege has popped up at a home keep. All of this is freely available on the map, just harder to analyze all at once.

I must be wrong, sorry for the misleading information.

I just used it once and now I think about it the keeps may have been flagged when I received notification.

Sorry.

For the record, I have heard rumors of an addon that tracks animation states of keeps, and so can alert its user to when the wall first "crumbles," which is prior to it flagging.

No idea if it is true or the stuff of legend.

Everything Cyrodiil HUD gives you is readily available, though.

gw2only1b14_ESO

vamp_emily wrote: »

This is an example of tonight.





You see how populated it is during the evening, what is the difference between this and DC having more population during the day? Same results, keeps get taken.

Only thing is DC doesn't really cry about it , we just fight back and we get stronger when our keeps get taken.

Actually Blue was on the Vet NON CP campaign last night as its time had already reset and they where building there lead up on that one .

But yea player/faction does suck and fair weather player sux as well but thats been every pvp game.
But to point a finger its EP that needs to get there faction together.

And zeni how about it:


It would be interesting If Cyrodiil ever had some map change ( who Knows a Molg Bal story line ) and a River flowed from then Snow capped Moutains up North and a River was there that ran from the western edge of Fort Dragon Claw and ran south to the East of Fort Aswell and Then Red and Blue could have there own bridge fights


A snippet I posted before in this same thread

EdmundTowers

Personally have no problem with Blue taking over the map in the morning. Natural outcome should be Orange alliance but it rarely happens. AD always pushes Blue when this happens, but EP rarely does anything to Blue. Brainless dogs only push Alessia and let Blue off the hook even though it's DC that takes their keeps and scrolls every morning.

Last Sunday we had Blue on the ropes with AD having taken Ash and EP at Aleswell. And then I notice a 3 bar EP population. Instead of finally taking Blues scrolls for once, back to the usual Purple BS.

W0lf_z13

you talk of the "purple aliance" yet you mention that DC takes eps scrolls and keeps both in the same paragraph.... kind of contradicts that theory

HenryIvan

If you are AD or DC you should not be whining here, 9x out of 10 AD and Dc are 1st and 2nd on the campaign leaderboard for BwB. If you are AD or DC and your faction is struggling against the other its probably because the regular pvp group runners are on there other toons playing for the opposite faction atm or in Azura's. Ep is the underdog faction in BwB I said this several times and I'm not gonna lie I have whined about the inbalance in population against them, but I just get dismissed and ridiculed for bringing it up. My solution make toons for each faction, jump to the winning side eventually ppl get tired of 1 side on top all the time and maybe they'll spread out to other factions. Till then do what ever you have to to enjoy the game.

Kalebron

I really don't care who wins or loses in PVP, I just want the alliance points.

Lumsdenml

EdmundTowers wrote: »

Personally have no problem with Blue taking over the map in the morning. Natural outcome should be Orange alliance but it rarely happens. AD always pushes Blue when this happens, but EP rarely does anything to Blue. Brainless dogs only push Alessia and let Blue off the hook even though it's DC that takes their keeps and scrolls every morning.

Last Sunday we had Blue on the ropes with AD having taken Ash and EP at Aleswell. And then I notice a 3 bar EP population. Instead of finally taking Blues scrolls for once, back to the usual Purple BS.

I'm not sure how things ended last night, but when I logged out, EP had pushed DC back to their trikeeps....

Frugal

If u guys really worry about the "health" of BwB because EP is not a factor, come roll EP. It's been fun over here!

EdmundTowers

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

you talk of the "purple aliance" yet you mention that DC takes eps scrolls and keeps both in the same paragraph.... kind of contradicts that theory

Its a sick little master slave relationship you guys got going.

W0lf_z13

EdmundTowers wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

you talk of the "purple aliance" yet you mention that DC takes eps scrolls and keeps both in the same paragraph.... kind of contradicts that theory

Its a sick little master slave relationship you guys got going.

i personally have attacked ep MANY times and MANY times that i have been at a keep ( non chal nor the outpost bleakers ) where it was getting sieged by EP... Not to mention i was apart of a group that was seiging an ad owned keep and ep came and killed us... there may be some dc that dont attack ep but alot of us do... just as im sure there are some ad that dont attack ep

PhatGrimReaper

BWB will be Saved!!!! #SOON

vamp_emily

@DeadlyRecluse, @CheesyDaedra, @Adenoma

I might have been wrong about the name of the hud i was talking about previously. However, there is a hud that exists that I was talking about. Here is my proof:

I was at Alessia, I put up a siege.. this is my hud on my screen.


Notice how the hud shows 1 siege on it ( mine ), and I never even hit the wall; I just put the siege up.

Here is a picture of the keep and it is not flagged.


To me this is a unfair advantage especially for under populated alliances.

Mjollo

vamp_emily wrote: »

snip

It's called Cyrodiil hud.
It's just a tool. Nothing exploitable. Before this add on was available back in the day, i would constantly open my map and check every keep before porting. I would even check after every major fight. It gives you the exact same information that you get for hovering your mouse over a keep. It's ease of access makes it available to anyone who wishes to download in less than a minute.
With that said, It's also easy to avoid if you know how the add-on works. The add on tracks siege on keep grounds. So, on certain keeps like Chalman, Aleswell, Alessia, and plenty of others where there is a high ground, you can fire siege outside of the "keep grounds" so that it doesn't proc the add on and you wont see siege on a keep until it flags.
There's nothing wrong with this add-on as if a player in this game REALLY cares about the action on the map, all he has to do is download it. Just like if any other character really wants specific stats, they download AUI or FTC of whatever HUD enhancer pleases them.

DeadlyRecluse

vamp_emily wrote: »

To me this is a unfair advantage especially for under populated alliances.

Hm, I don't disagree with you, but I am probably in the minority.

I don't use Cyro HUD myself, but I'd have to play around with it a little before I form a definite opinion.

Reverb

vamp_emily wrote: »

@DeadlyRecluse, @CheesyDaedra, @Adenoma

I might have been wrong about the name of the hud i was talking about previously. However, there is a hud that exists that I was talking about. Here is my proof:

I was at Alessia, I put up a siege.. this is my hud on my screen.


Notice how the hud shows 1 siege on it ( mine ), and I never even hit the wall; I just put the siege up.

Here is a picture of the keep and it is not flagged.


To me this is a unfair advantage especially for under populated alliances.

It shows your own alliance siege engines on enemy keeps and resources, even if not flagged. It will mot show enemy siege until flagged. In the circumstance of your screencap, everybody in DC could see your siege, both on the map and via cyrhud. Nobody in AD or EP could see it until you flagged the keep. If you had waved your mouse over the keep in your second image, you would have seen your siege listed there too. The addon does not show anything not available on the map.

vamp_emily

Reverb wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

@DeadlyRecluse, @CheesyDaedra, @Adenoma

I might have been wrong about the name of the hud i was talking about previously. However, there is a hud that exists that I was talking about. Here is my proof:

I was at Alessia, I put up a siege.. this is my hud on my screen.


Notice how the hud shows 1 siege on it ( mine ), and I never even hit the wall; I just put the siege up.

Here is a picture of the keep and it is not flagged.


To me this is a unfair advantage especially for under populated alliances.

It shows your own alliance siege engines on enemy keeps and resources, even if not flagged. It will mot show enemy siege until flagged. In the circumstance of your screencap, everybody in DC could see your siege, both on the map and via cyrhud. Nobody in AD or EP could see it until you flagged the keep. If you had waved your mouse over the keep in your second image, you would have seen your siege listed there too. The addon does not show anything not available on the map.

ugh, and i am wrong again

When i seen my siege I was thinking everyone else ( including the other alliance ) could see my siege.

gw2only1b14_ESO

Sooo..didnt make it on to BwB last night was traveling around Craglorn instead. But what would be the day 2 summary of the pvp from BwB last eve?

Reverb

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

Sooo..didnt make it on to BwB last night was traveling around Craglorn instead. But what would be the day 2 summary of the pvp from BwB last eve?

"EP starts to bite back"

W0lf_z13

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

Sooo..didnt make it on to BwB last night was traveling around Craglorn instead. But what would be the day 2 summary of the pvp from BwB last eve?

u missed a great fight between ad and dc last night

Reverb wrote: »

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

Sooo..didnt make it on to BwB last night was traveling around Craglorn instead. But what would be the day 2 summary of the pvp from BwB last eve?

"EP starts to bite back"

was definitely nice seeing more ep on last night that's for sure

Reverb

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

u missed a great fight between ad and dc last night

I crashed on the back flag at Ash like an hour into that fight. Right as AD had finally pushed through the breach onto the flag. I took it as a sign to go to bed. Who ended up taking it?

W0lf_z13

Reverb wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

u missed a great fight between ad and dc last night

I crashed on the back flag at Ash like an hour into that fight. Right as AD had finally pushed through the breach onto the flag. I took it as a sign to go to bed. Who ended up taking it?

DC took that win, not sure if there was another push though had to go to bed after that one since i had to be up early for work

EdmundTowers

Looks like EP is finally playing like they want to win.