Seriously... this is my weekly Maelstrom weapon?????!!!!!!!

Nifty2g

Personofsecrets wrote: »

How long are you going to keep complaining about loot in this game @Nifty2g ? It's time that you move on to discussing bigger and better things. Seriously, this is an MMO. What do you expect? Stop expecting everything to be given to you loot wise.

All my stuff is crafted though, I haven't needed gear for a very long time.
Unless you are referring to BoE and BoP then that affects everyone. Or if you are referring to how they had ICP / WGT that was also broken and affected everyone since they couldn't clear it then they all exploited it because of that reason. But then again the only decent gear from those dungeons would be Spell power cure and overwhelming

Personofsecrets

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

How long are you going to keep complaining about loot in this game @Nifty2g ? It's time that you move on to discussing bigger and better things. Seriously, this is an MMO. What do you expect? Stop expecting everything to be given to you loot wise.

All my stuff is crafted though, I haven't needed gear for a very long time.
Unless you are referring to BoE and BoP then that affects everyone. Or if you are referring to how they had ICP / WGT that was also broken and affected everyone since they couldn't clear it then they all exploited it because of that reason. But then again the only decent gear from those dungeons would be Spell power cure and overwhelming

You have been making useless arguments about loot not being good enough for you since IC came out. We all get it, you don't like the loot system. Clearly ZOS has it's reasons, and it is their game, so no offense, but it is time to move on.

Personofsecrets

If you need a clear indication of why loot is fine in this game, then just look at the Maelstrom tanking items. Totally great loot. Many people are very happy with their tanking sets from vMA. Not an issue.

Xjcon

Malmai wrote: »

They are begging us to quit.

It's like the ultimate troll, Make the loot grind so horrendous that they have to offer up 1 million$ to get people back in the game.

Nifty2g

Personofsecrets wrote: »

If you need a clear indication of why loot is fine in this game, then just look at the Maelstrom tanking items. Totally great loot. Many people are very happy with their tanking sets from vMA. Not an issue.

I think I made 1 thread about loot which was addressed as many people didn't like the drop rates
BoP and BoE is totally differnet.

I don't need any sets and I got my spell cure set after 4 days of the new dungeons so i didn't really need anything in there it was mainly for the community and guys i was running with getting nothing. @Gilliamtherogue got nothing for 3-4 days of farming for 8+ hours each day. That needed to be addressed my opinion or not, many agreed.

you tag rich in almost every single post asking for tanking fixes, they're not going to do it because it's not even a problem. Take a look at this test we did, tanking mantikora for 3 minutes in medium armor until his enrage phase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZhG553WgE0

It's really not difficult to watch your stamina, and plus having no stam regen kinda makes it fun and challenging. Enjoy it, not exactly a nerf more of a combat change.

(ps take note there is no magma being used)

Personofsecrets

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

If you need a clear indication of why loot is fine in this game, then just look at the Maelstrom tanking items. Totally great loot. Many people are very happy with their tanking sets from vMA. Not an issue.

I think I made 1 thread about loot which was addressed as many people didn't like the drop rates
BoP and BoE is totally differnet.

I don't need any sets and I got my spell cure set after 4 days of the new dungeons so i didn't really need anything in there it was mainly for the community and guys i was running with getting nothing. @Gilliamtherogue got nothing for 3-4 days of farming for 8+ hours each day. That needed to be addressed my opinion or not, many agreed.

you tag rich in almost every single post asking for tanking fixes, they're not going to do it because it's not even a problem. Take a look at this test we did, tanking mantikora for 3 minutes in medium armor until his enrage phase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZhG553WgE0

It's really not difficult to watch your stamina, and plus having no stam regen kinda makes it fun and challenging. Enjoy it, not exactly a nerf more of a combat change.

(ps take note there is no magma being used)

A. If you are having problems with the itemization in this game, then that is an issue that you need to adapt to rather than asking the developers at every single point to change that itemization.

B. I'm not sure why you are telling me that tanking is not difficult.

Hexys

As a magicka caster I've done 26 arena's so far with 16 weekly rewards. My main goal is to obtain a Maelstrom Inferno staff in either Precise or Sharpened, but guess what? Still no *** inferno staff.

This RNG is getting on my nerves, they need to create a currency system for this stuff. No reason to go RNG if it's bind on pick-up anyway.

Personofsecrets

Hexys wrote: »

As a magicka caster I've done 26 arena's so far with 16 weekly rewards. My main goal is to obtain a Maelstrom Inferno staff in either Precise or Sharpened, but guess what? Still no *** inferno staff.

This RNG is getting on my nerves, they need to create a currency system for this stuff. No reason to go RNG if it's bind on pick-up anyway.

This is how the game has been for a long time @Hexys . The top gear is going to be hard to get. That is just the way things are. The developers have already made their choices and, according to @Nifty2g , once that happens, we need to just mind our manners about problems that we see with the game development.

Hexys

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

As a magicka caster I've done 26 arena's so far with 16 weekly rewards. My main goal is to obtain a Maelstrom Inferno staff in either Precise or Sharpened, but guess what? Still no *** inferno staff.

This RNG is getting on my nerves, they need to create a currency system for this stuff. No reason to go RNG if it's bind on pick-up anyway.

This is how the game has been for a long time @Hexys . The top gear is going to be hard to get. That is just the way things are. The developers have already made their choices and, according to @Nifty2g , once that happens, we need to just mind our manners about problems that we see with the game development.

Did the developers made these choices or the marketing team?

Personofsecrets

I guess that I'll stop posting about the extended chains too high or too low bug as well. I mean tanking is really easy so one of the most infuriating bugs born out of some of the worst development reasoning which has not gotten a fix since 1.6 isn't worth bringing up anymore. I mean, I and many others are discontent, but I guess that trying to make the game better doesn't really matter because the developers have already made their intentions clear with their lack of action on the issue and because @Nifty2g can show us how to tank outleveled content with cookie-cutter gear. This is the correct level of discourse that will set ESO on the right track. I'm glad that we are having this fruitful conservation.

Personofsecrets

Hexys wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

As a magicka caster I've done 26 arena's so far with 16 weekly rewards. My main goal is to obtain a Maelstrom Inferno staff in either Precise or Sharpened, but guess what? Still no *** inferno staff.

This RNG is getting on my nerves, they need to create a currency system for this stuff. No reason to go RNG if it's bind on pick-up anyway.

This is how the game has been for a long time @Hexys . The top gear is going to be hard to get. That is just the way things are. The developers have already made their choices and, according to @Nifty2g , once that happens, we need to just mind our manners about problems that we see with the game development.

Did the developers made these choices or the marketing team?

Well, I'm not sure, but I use mostly crafted gear so that means that we shouldn't bother to really talk about itemization. It is just moot point to do so when, practically, an itemization change wont really have an effect on how I play the game.

Alucardo

I think my DK would really like this shield. Can I have it if you don't want it?

Personofsecrets

Alucardo wrote: »

I think my DK would really like this shield. Can I have it if you don't want it?

Yea, I don't know why people wouldn't want the Maelstrom tanking items. People should have been really happy to get a permafrost item as their weekly reward, but instead they complained to the developers.

Honestly, I can't say that I blame them because, in this case, complaining to the developers worked and now people will get the sword to go along with that shield if they are lucky enough to get the sword in the first place. I guess if people can just get everything given to them, then they might as well try get those things for free.

I mean, I saw that some people didn't like the tanking items for some reasons, but it really doesn't matter because tanking is easy and because the developers have already made their choices. Even though people were able to persuade the developers into action over this itemization change, it is probably the safe route to not ask the developers for anything else.

willymchilybily

lol. My views are simple. Either the shield needs a unique enchant (which would be great imo) opposed to being part of the armor sets. or needs to be removed from vMA weekly weapon rewards.

I think this defines it as armor by the fact its part of an armor set that only comes in armor and jewlery (AFAIK). The previously made argument of: it has a skill line, it takes up a weapon slot. really doesn't hold as much weight as the fact its considered armor by every other game mechanic (trait/enchant/has an armor value/cant use DW skills with it equipped/cant equip in main hand/ cant wield two shields)

i assume this was simply oversight its probably in the weapons loot table because it goes in a weapon slot. not because it is of itself considered a weapon from a developers standpoint.

GCVDJ11T

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I think my DK would really like this shield. Can I have it if you don't want it?

Yea, I don't know why people wouldn't want the Maelstrom tanking items. People should have been really happy to get a permafrost item as their weekly reward, but instead they complained to the developers.

Honestly, I can't say that I blame them because, in this case, complaining to the developers worked and now people will get the sword to go along with that shield if they are lucky enough to get the sword in the first place. I guess if people can just get everything given to them, then they might as well try get those things for free.

I mean, I saw that some people didn't like the tanking items for some reasons, but it really doesn't matter because tanking is easy and because the developers have already made their choices. Even though people were able to persuade the developers into action over this itemization change, it is probably the safe route to not ask the developers for anything else.

LT this had absolutely nothing to do with Tanking or that I didn't like the shield. Dude seriously read the post and keep your tanking rant out of this. Since a shield is crafted under ARMOR I thought it was ARMOR and the patch notes said 100% chance of a WEAPON I went to customer service first. THEY TOLD ME I JUST HAD BAD LUCK! I brought it to the forums because seriously BAD LUCK is not an answer to the question is a SHIELD A WEAPON.

ZOS can you close this thread? It is no longer productive.

Xantaria

GOT A SHIELD ASWELL.

THX OBAMA

GCVDJ11T

Xantaria wrote: »

GOT A SHIELD ASWELL.

THX OBAMA

Xantaria...lol...

Personofsecrets

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I think my DK would really like this shield. Can I have it if you don't want it?

Yea, I don't know why people wouldn't want the Maelstrom tanking items. People should have been really happy to get a permafrost item as their weekly reward, but instead they complained to the developers.

Honestly, I can't say that I blame them because, in this case, complaining to the developers worked and now people will get the sword to go along with that shield if they are lucky enough to get the sword in the first place. I guess if people can just get everything given to them, then they might as well try get those things for free.

I mean, I saw that some people didn't like the tanking items for some reasons, but it really doesn't matter because tanking is easy and because the developers have already made their choices. Even though people were able to persuade the developers into action over this itemization change, it is probably the safe route to not ask the developers for anything else.

LT this had absolutely nothing to do with Tanking or that I didn't like the shield. Dude seriously read the post and keep your tanking rant out of this. Since a shield is crafted under ARMOR I thought it was ARMOR and the patch notes said 100% chance of a WEAPON I went to customer service first. THEY TOLD ME I JUST HAD BAD LUCK! I brought it to the forums because seriously BAD LUCK is not an answer to the question is a SHIELD A WEAPON.

ZOS can you close this thread? It is no longer productive.

Oh okay, not liking the games itemization must not be related to your thread. Enjoy getting your Maelstrom swords now.

Nifty2g

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I think my DK would really like this shield. Can I have it if you don't want it?

Yea, I don't know why people wouldn't want the Maelstrom tanking items. People should have been really happy to get a permafrost item as their weekly reward, but instead they complained to the developers.

Honestly, I can't say that I blame them because, in this case, complaining to the developers worked and now people will get the sword to go along with that shield if they are lucky enough to get the sword in the first place. I guess if people can just get everything given to them, then they might as well try get those things for free.

I mean, I saw that some people didn't like the tanking items for some reasons, but it really doesn't matter because tanking is easy and because the developers have already made their choices. Even though people were able to persuade the developers into action over this itemization change, it is probably the safe route to not ask the developers for anything else.

LT this had absolutely nothing to do with Tanking or that I didn't like the shield. Dude seriously read the post and keep your tanking rant out of this. Since a shield is crafted under ARMOR I thought it was ARMOR and the patch notes said 100% chance of a WEAPON I went to customer service first. THEY TOLD ME I JUST HAD BAD LUCK! I brought it to the forums because seriously BAD LUCK is not an answer to the question is a SHIELD A WEAPON.

ZOS can you close this thread? It is no longer productive.

Every thread he gets the chance he will tag rich lambert or gina bruno and ask for tanking fixes if it includes anything semi related to tanking

Personofsecrets

Nifty2g wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I think my DK would really like this shield. Can I have it if you don't want it?

Yea, I don't know why people wouldn't want the Maelstrom tanking items. People should have been really happy to get a permafrost item as their weekly reward, but instead they complained to the developers.

Honestly, I can't say that I blame them because, in this case, complaining to the developers worked and now people will get the sword to go along with that shield if they are lucky enough to get the sword in the first place. I guess if people can just get everything given to them, then they might as well try get those things for free.

I mean, I saw that some people didn't like the tanking items for some reasons, but it really doesn't matter because tanking is easy and because the developers have already made their choices. Even though people were able to persuade the developers into action over this itemization change, it is probably the safe route to not ask the developers for anything else.

LT this had absolutely nothing to do with Tanking or that I didn't like the shield. Dude seriously read the post and keep your tanking rant out of this. Since a shield is crafted under ARMOR I thought it was ARMOR and the patch notes said 100% chance of a WEAPON I went to customer service first. THEY TOLD ME I JUST HAD BAD LUCK! I brought it to the forums because seriously BAD LUCK is not an answer to the question is a SHIELD A WEAPON.

ZOS can you close this thread? It is no longer productive.

Every thread he gets the chance he will tag rich lambert or gina bruno and ask for tanking fixes if it includes anything semi related to tanking

"Semi-related"

Nice try. This issue is very related. If the Maelstrom Shield had gotten a unique enchantment, then it is likely that players would have been far better to identify the Maelstrom Shield as a "Maelstrom Weapon" rather than a regular piece of apparel related to a set. I personally sought for the shield to have it's own unique effect, but here we are, a month later, and people are upset about a crappy reward which would have been far more exciting if a few of my suggestions were used to fix the item.

GCVDJ11T

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

I think my DK would really like this shield. Can I have it if you don't want it?

Yea, I don't know why people wouldn't want the Maelstrom tanking items. People should have been really happy to get a permafrost item as their weekly reward, but instead they complained to the developers.

Honestly, I can't say that I blame them because, in this case, complaining to the developers worked and now people will get the sword to go along with that shield if they are lucky enough to get the sword in the first place. I guess if people can just get everything given to them, then they might as well try get those things for free.

I mean, I saw that some people didn't like the tanking items for some reasons, but it really doesn't matter because tanking is easy and because the developers have already made their choices. Even though people were able to persuade the developers into action over this itemization change, it is probably the safe route to not ask the developers for anything else.

LT this had absolutely nothing to do with Tanking or that I didn't like the shield. Dude seriously read the post and keep your tanking rant out of this. Since a shield is crafted under ARMOR I thought it was ARMOR and the patch notes said 100% chance of a WEAPON I went to customer service first. THEY TOLD ME I JUST HAD BAD LUCK! I brought it to the forums because seriously BAD LUCK is not an answer to the question is a SHIELD A WEAPON.

ZOS can you close this thread? It is no longer productive.

Every thread he gets the chance he will tag rich lambert or gina bruno and ask for tanking fixes if it includes anything semi related to tanking

"Semi-related"

Nice try. This issue is very related. If the Maelstrom Shield had gotten a unique enchantment, then it is likely that players would have been far better to identify the Maelstrom Shield as a "Maelstrom Weapon" rather than a regular piece of apparel related to a set. I personally sought for the shield to have it's own unique effect, but here we are, a month later, and people are upset about a crappy reward which would have been far more exciting if a few of my suggestions were used to fix the item.

LT what you just said makes sense and is a valid point. Your comment before about being "given" stuff if you complain, yea that pissed me off. I ran VWGT over 320 times to get the exact five pieces of overwhelming in the traits I wanted. I even ran it with you and got my speed run. It was a grind but I have amazing friends to run stuff with so it makes it fun for me. The forum post was started because again beating that horse even more dead Shield = Armor to me and I got an awful response from customer service. I have never been given anything in this game and I don't expect to be. I earn what I have.

Molag_Crow

I personally would caress and love that shield style.

Sotha_Sil

I don't mind getting a shield but the shield set is so useless... so yeah I'm glad it will be given with the sword and not as a solo reward anymore.

Kutsuu

I hope somewhere in the last 5 pages, it has been made clear that a shield is part of a weapon set and thus is a weapon as far as the game is concerned. Why should 1h/shield users not have an option for 2 maelstrom weapons like DW guys?

RNG loot sucks, I've always greatly preferred token based systems myself because I know exactly how much PVE I must do to attain what I desire.

Islyn

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Technically since you want to mince words about if a shield is a weapon or armor and keep calling that slot a "weapon" slot, just wanted to point out it is technically called the off hand slot, not weapon.

During my haze of insomnia I said same and basically got called an idiot but with a lot more words.

ya Islyn

Castle wrote: »

Mechanically, in the code Shields are Weapons since they are equipped in the Weapon slots. For nearly all Design purposes however, Shields are Armor. This is a special case set up that causes issues now and then.

That said, we are going to change how Shields from the Weekly Reward table are given out. When you get a Maelstrom item that improves Low Slash, in the One Hand and Shield weapon skill line, you will also receive a Maelstrom Shield. You will no longer receive a Maelstrom Shield as its own reward.

Thank you for responding Castle!!!!! I'm sure that most of us appreciate the change as well!

Also to all who I said: Shield are Armor, oops my bad.

ZOS_Alex

Hello everyone,

We are closing this thread now as it has run its course and is no longer constructive. Remember, we encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track.

Thank you for your understanding!