Seriously... this is my weekly Maelstrom weapon?????!!!!!!!

GCVDJ11T

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_RichLambert

Please give your insight. The response I received from customer service is that I had bad luck (not kidding I kept the email)...lol

Thank you!

Islyn

I just explained this.

OR slide a shield onto your arm then use a weapon in that hand.

It is armor and has always been armor so please stop saying you equip it in a weapon slot when technically, that slot HAS A SHIELD IMAGE ON IT.

You make it in the armor tab and you equip it in a multi-purpose gear slot.

There.

Islyn

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_RichLambert

Please give your insight. The response I received from customer service is that I had bad luck (not kidding I kept the email)...lol

Thank you!

Their CS is outsourced now iirc. That may explain the giant number of really inane canned answers attributed to them of late.

UrQuan

Islyn wrote: »

I just explained this.

OR slide a shield onto your arm then use a weapon in that hand.

It is armor and has always been armor so please stop saying you equip it in a weapon slot when technically, that slot HAS A SHIELD IMAGE ON IT.

You make it in the armor tab and you equip it in a multi-purpose gear slot.

There.

I just love it when people conveniently ignore facts that don't support their position. It's part of a weapon skill line, and you can attack with it. It's a weapon. It's also armour. In some ways the game treats it as one, and in some ways the game treats it as the other. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

sagitter

They should replace that shield enchant with another usefull, actually is useless. Add some good enchant at least for tanks. I deleted mine.

NoMoreChillies

that shield is bad, just plain bad.
I dont know any tank that would want it

Islyn

UrQuan wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

I just explained this.

OR slide a shield onto your arm then use a weapon in that hand.

It is armor and has always been armor so please stop saying you equip it in a weapon slot when technically, that slot HAS A SHIELD IMAGE ON IT.

You make it in the armor tab and you equip it in a multi-purpose gear slot.

There.

I just love it when people conveniently ignore facts that don't support their position. It's part of a weapon skill line, and you can attack with it. It's a weapon. It's also armour. In some ways the game treats it as one, and in some ways the game treats it as the other. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

Yes, like YOU ARE. So you love yourself. At least you've got that going for ya.

I don't have a position so keep your assumptions to yourself and stop being a snot.

In an earlier post, if you weren't too busy re-reading your own, someone posted a quote about how this is why bash was nerfed - shields weren't meant to be used as weapons.

Also, every other thing I have said is a fact, regardless of your opinion on it.

pronkg

That's ESO

You can have bad luck even with 100% drop rate

Xjcon

L2B Lucky!

Sharee

Islyn wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

I just explained this.

OR slide a shield onto your arm then use a weapon in that hand.

It is armor and has always been armor so please stop saying you equip it in a weapon slot when technically, that slot HAS A SHIELD IMAGE ON IT.

You make it in the armor tab and you equip it in a multi-purpose gear slot.

There.

I just love it when people conveniently ignore facts that don't support their position. It's part of a weapon skill line, and you can attack with it. It's a weapon. It's also armour. In some ways the game treats it as one, and in some ways the game treats it as the other. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

Yes, like YOU ARE. So you love yourself. At least you've got that going for ya.

I don't have a position so keep your assumptions to yourself and stop being a snot.

In an earlier post, if you weren't too busy re-reading your own, someone posted a quote about how this is why bash was nerfed - shields weren't meant to be used as weapons.

Also, every other thing I have said is a fact, regardless of your opinion on it.

No, he's not( ignoring facts that don't support his position). He is acknowledging both options (shield is a weapon, shield is armor) may be valid. You on the other hand insist that shield must be armor and nothing else, ignoring the fact that shield has several traits that would classify it as a weapon (like the fact that unlike all other armor, a shield can not be equipped in an armor slot).

Islyn

UrQuan wrote: »

We don't have any way of saying without knowing which definition they're using to determine if a shield is a weapon or armour

As they are literally crafted under the ARMOR tab at Woodworking and the TRAITS you need to learn are ARMOR TRAITS NOT weapon traits - how on Earth are you so confused? It's armor.

Islyn

Sharee wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

I just explained this.

OR slide a shield onto your arm then use a weapon in that hand.

It is armor and has always been armor so please stop saying you equip it in a weapon slot when technically, that slot HAS A SHIELD IMAGE ON IT.

You make it in the armor tab and you equip it in a multi-purpose gear slot.

There.

I just love it when people conveniently ignore facts that don't support their position. It's part of a weapon skill line, and you can attack with it. It's a weapon. It's also armour. In some ways the game treats it as one, and in some ways the game treats it as the other. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

Yes, like YOU ARE. So you love yourself. At least you've got that going for ya.

I don't have a position so keep your assumptions to yourself and stop being a snot.

In an earlier post, if you weren't too busy re-reading your own, someone posted a quote about how this is why bash was nerfed - shields weren't meant to be used as weapons.

Also, every other thing I have said is a fact, regardless of your opinion on it.

No, he's not( ignoring facts that don't support his position). He is acknowledging both options (shield is a weapon, shield is armor) may be valid. You on the other hand insist that shield must be armor and nothing else, ignoring the fact that shield has several traits that would classify it as a weapon (like the fact that unlike all other armor, a shield can not be equipped in an armor slot).

Okay whatever lol.

Just ignore the layout of the GUI and how it logically fits better design-wise but how it works better in a hand, and ignore the crafting traits available to shields which are all ARMOR.

I don't even know why I am wasting my time because I don't even give a rip enough to care this much.

I blame insomnia masquerading as my giving a toss.

As you were.

UltimaJoe777

Strong bash attacking, the fact it is vital to using the One Hand and Shield skills which are from a Weapon Skill Line, holding it in your hand instead of wearing it just as you do a weapon... All factors that can lead the game to putting Shields in the same category as Weapons. Technically it is Armor but it is easy to see how it can be taken for a Weapon as well. No doubt Islyn knows this, but he chooses to defy the logic, so let him. After all ignorance is bliss right? Arguing with him is like talking to a wall lol

Nifty2g

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Strong bash attacking, the fact it is vital to using the One Hand and Shield skills which are from a Weapon Skill Line, holding it in your hand instead of wearing it just as you do a weapon... All factors that can lead the game to putting Shields in the same category as Weapons. Technically it is Armor but it is easy to see how it can be taken for a Weapon as well. No doubt Islyn knows this, but he chooses to defy the logic, so let him. After all ignorance is bliss right? Arguing with him is like talking to a wall lol

Why are you bothering to argue, do you want this Shield to be in the weeklies? I don't think a should be in the weeklies but that's just me

Zilch

Off Topic:
Has anyone ever seen Maelstrom Weapons with enchants other than defending, precise and sharpened? I am wondering if infused exists.

Sharee

Islyn wrote: »

Just ignore the layout of the GUI and how it logically fits better design-wise but how it works better in a hand, and ignore the crafting traits available to shields which are all ARMOR.

Nobody is ignoring it. That's why people are saying that a shield might be considered a weapon OR it might be considered an armor. If they were ignoring it, they would say it is a weapon, and cannot possibly be considered anything else.

You on the other hand insist it must be armor and never a weapon, ignoring things like this:

Turelus

They obviously meant "Maelstrom items" in the patch notes, you're arguing semantics because you didn't get the item you wanted.

There are probably a bunch of people who got a staff and were annoyed it wasn't the shield, just be glad you got a maelstrom item rather than junk they formally handed out.

UltimaJoe777

Nifty2g wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Strong bash attacking, the fact it is vital to using the One Hand and Shield skills which are from a Weapon Skill Line, holding it in your hand instead of wearing it just as you do a weapon... All factors that can lead the game to putting Shields in the same category as Weapons. Technically it is Armor but it is easy to see how it can be taken for a Weapon as well. No doubt Islyn knows this, but he chooses to defy the logic, so let him. After all ignorance is bliss right? Arguing with him is like talking to a wall lol

Why are you bothering to argue, do you want this Shield to be in the weeklies? I don't think a should be in the weeklies but that's just me

It's not me trying to argue lol I simply stated what others were trying to say as well as what Islyn was saying and then basically said "now let's stop arguing ok?"

I said my piece on the topic earlier: If it is not intended and is a bug Zenimax will eventually fix it.

Islyn

Turelus wrote: »

They obviously meant "Maelstrom items" in the patch notes, you're arguing semantics because you didn't get the item you wanted.

There are probably a bunch of people who got a staff and were annoyed it wasn't the shield, just be glad you got a maelstrom item rather than junk they formally handed out.

I doubt ANYONE would feel that way. Maelstrom weapons are BiS standalone. Not set pieces.

Alcast

Well better than well-fitted or defending!

Dracane

Alcast wrote: »

Well better than well-fitted or defending!

ALL the Maelstrom weapons I've received from weeklies or chest are defending I'm cursed with this trash trait.

Alucardo

To determine what a Shield actually is, think about what kind of enchantment you put on it. Is it a weapon glyph, armor glyph, or jewellery glyph?

Artemisshrikes

GCVDJ11T wrote: »

Increased the drop rate of the Maelstrom Weapons from the Maelstrom Arena weekly leaderboard mail. You now have a 100% chance to receive a Maelstrom Weapon if you are on the weekly leaderboard, previously a 50% chance.

It says 100% chance to receive a weapon... the below is a shield not a weapon...




I put in a ticket. Take your shield back and send me my weapon please...

it counts as a weapon since it does damage

Jura23

Congratulations. I always wanted this shield.

Essiaga

That stinks. ZOS is terrible with rewards. The constant disappointment from harvesting to drops to rewards (trials and pvp) makes me not want to waste my time playing. No joy.

I guess its yellow and can be deconed. Bright side, or whatever.

Titansteele

ZOS please amend the notes in the following fashion.

"Increased the drop rate of the Maelstrom Items from the Maelstrom Arena weekly"

Job done

raasdal

Wow - most irrelevant discussion i have seen in a long time. The fact that someone at customer support actually wrote that very nice and respectful reply, is surprising to me.

I think it is quite obvious that what ZoS meant is that you now have 100% chance to get a Maelstrom Item. You are just bickering about the exact choice of word "Weapon" - Where i personally also regard a Shield as a weapon since it takes up a weapon slot. But the discussion of wether or not a Shield is a weapon or armor is quite mute and irrelevant. Anyone with common sense, can realize that the Shield is part of the Maelstrom Weapons/Items, and therefore also part of the drop/loot table.

Now you know, and can move on.

redspecter23

I think the real problem is whether or not that shield should even be called The Maelstrom's Shield to begin with. I'd argue that they mixed the names up and it should be Permafrost Shield which solves all the issues as it would then just be another set piece that drops out of the chest and wouldn't be considered a Maelstrom weapon, Maelstrom shield, Maelstrom sock or any other Maelstrom anything. Naming it Permafrost Shield takes it out of consideration as a weekly reward.

Unassailable

its because ITEM TYPE of any SHILED in the game - WEAPON

easy as pie, if you know how to look at the item-code

Flaminir

Turelus wrote: »

They obviously meant "Maelstrom items" in the patch notes, you're arguing semantics because you didn't get the item you wanted.

There are probably a bunch of people who got a staff and were annoyed it wasn't the shield, just be glad you got a maelstrom item rather than junk they formally handed out.

Tarvy & UrQuan get it...

We shouldn't be argueing 'is it a weapon or armor'... because the game treats it as both in different circumstances...

What Tarvy stated is 100% correct... clearly just an example of poorly worded patchnotes, which if pushed ZoS will inevitably come here and say 'We meant Maelstrom items'... in exactly the same way that 'Master items' dropped from DSA.

If you want to argue something then let it be about what specific Maelstrom items you want in the weekly.

Although considering the limited opportunities in game to aquire these I think it exceptionally unlikely ZoS will remove them....