40k dps on MAGIKA TEMPLAR

Meshal

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

Meshal with these forums you have to make sure to put 100 points in thick skinned on the CP tree.

lol I really laughed. you sir are correct, and i'll try to be more patient >.<

SirAndy wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

here is the video

You need more floating numbers!

I can still see parts of the game world in a few places ...

I need those numbers to know the damage im dealing when recording to see what went wrong and what should be changed. it's essential for testing and for playing. sorry if that annoyed u.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

sad to see many people don't see the point you are trying to make here.
it's a reacting on the 46k dps sorc post.
although sorc can still shield stack and pull this kind of dps ;D

Inig0 wrote: »

I think most of the people making comments in this thread are missing the point.

No this isnt realistic dps
No he couldnt achieve that on manti
No templars arent OP or weak

The whole point of this most was for comparison.

To compare how he can get the same ridiculous dps on his mag temp as he did on his mag sorc under the same conditions. That is what he achieved with this post. He proved that under the same conditions he got 40k+ dps on a mag temp and a mag sorc. Could he or some one else do that with a dk or nb. YES! of coarse.
I dont see why anyone feel they shouldnt to be impressed by that, come on. He got the perfect group to give him all the buffs possible on a great build. Thats not as common as some people think it is. Good job OP.

man, ur awesome. great comment, you summarized everything i wanted to say. i hope it's more clear now for everyone!!

hrothbern wrote: »

@Meshal ,

Thanks for the good Post and the intention with it !

thanks for your reply!

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

I think its pretty cool myself. And hey he is having fun isn't that what the spirit of gaming is about?

yep indeed.

Cinbri wrote: »

How many times it should be said that Templars extremely weak in PvP, not in PvE. :

oh it's pvp issue now >.<

Ezareth wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

8K sweeps :O i am jealous

nice video

thanks, im glad u like it

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Care to share your build? My magicka Templar could use some help.

I would if u guys interested, I'll make a thread later explaining the skills I used. however, I didnt do much testing on it, im sure it can be optimized even more.

Bfish22090 wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

8K sweeps :O i am jealous

nice video

Can he teach you how to play templar?

Im not a good templar player really, even in the video u can see how many times I lost rotation.

Xendyn wrote: »

Nerf Sorc!!


Oh wait, I am a sorc
nvm


Awesome Meshal, do you have any sustain with that?


*sets up the popcorn stand*

yea I didnt have any problems while testing this.

Alcast wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

Hello,

first of all I would like to thank Prothy, Region, and Killerbunny for their help. awesome players and great people.

second,

I made a post a couple of days ago, showing 46k dps on my sorc character, and most of the comments were rants, asking for sorc's nerf, or templar buff. I've been saying templar class is great, and is one of the best dps in the game, it's just an issue of players not knowing how to play the class. and also said that templar class has been buffed so many times but they were denying that.


here are some of those comments:

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

Troneon wrote: »

Sorc OP, nerf Sorc, nerf Overload!!1!!!!!1111111!!

and a LOT more, you can check the thread here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232342/46k-dps/p1


and what really irritated me the most was this comment:

Zinaroth wrote: »

Templars aren't, and never were, the best DPS in the game. They have always been dead last. Overall Templars have been nerfed a bit since the release of the game when you measure them against the other classes. Overall Sorcs have been buffed to the point of absurdity because of the outrage from the sorc community pre 1.6 aka the CP patch. After this patch NB and Sorcs arose from the ashes and have pretty much been OP since then in respective parts of the game. I with Templars had the same amount of people on the forums but they all rerolled very early in the game.

You, the OP, claiming that Templars have ever been the best DPS in this game and that Sorcs are only recieving nerfs, is either a testiment to how you haven't played the game for very long, or lack basic knowledge when it comes to PvE class balance.

Regards, top tier raider from Hodor EU.

because this guy clearly doesnt know what he's talking about, and im not that kind of a person to get into an endless discussion, so I decided to respec my healer templar to dps to prove that templar class isnt bad but GREAT.


now keep in mind, that im not a good templar player, I only play my templar as healer, and never played as dps with templar, but I decided to give it a try. created the sets I need and thought of the skills I use, with few optimization with what I had in mind I did 40k dps on a MAGIKA TEMPLAR, and im sure more experienced and better players would even get better dps because I missed so much on my rotation. and that was the result of only 2 days of testing and optimization on my part.

here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd4VvQ6v5YM


keep in mind I would never reach this kind of dps without the group im running with! they're just great players.

regards,

Saying that this is real dps does literally not really f...matter at all lol. try get 30k on Manti then I WILL BE impressed.

really dude? in the sorc thread u were saying sorcs should be nerfed and here u bring mantikora?

i dont know what to say >.<

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

Hello,

first of all I would like to thank Prothy, Region, and Killerbunny for their help. awesome players and great people.

second,

I made a post a couple of days ago, showing 46k dps on my sorc character, and most of the comments were rants, asking for sorc's nerf, or templar buff. I've been saying templar class is great, and is one of the best dps in the game, it's just an issue of players not knowing how to play the class. and also said that templar class has been buffed so many times but they were denying that.


here are some of those comments:

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

Troneon wrote: »

Sorc OP, nerf Sorc, nerf Overload!!1!!!!!1111111!!

and a LOT more, you can check the thread here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232342/46k-dps/p1


and what really irritated me the most was this comment:

Zinaroth wrote: »

Templars aren't, and never were, the best DPS in the game. They have always been dead last. Overall Templars have been nerfed a bit since the release of the game when you measure them against the other classes. Overall Sorcs have been buffed to the point of absurdity because of the outrage from the sorc community pre 1.6 aka the CP patch. After this patch NB and Sorcs arose from the ashes and have pretty much been OP since then in respective parts of the game. I with Templars had the same amount of people on the forums but they all rerolled very early in the game.

You, the OP, claiming that Templars have ever been the best DPS in this game and that Sorcs are only recieving nerfs, is either a testiment to how you haven't played the game for very long, or lack basic knowledge when it comes to PvE class balance.

Regards, top tier raider from Hodor EU.

because this guy clearly doesnt know what he's talking about, and im not that kind of a person to get into an endless discussion, so I decided to respec my healer templar to dps to prove that templar class isnt bad but GREAT.


now keep in mind, that im not a good templar player, I only play my templar as healer, and never played as dps with templar, but I decided to give it a try. created the sets I need and thought of the skills I use, with few optimization with what I had in mind I did 40k dps on a MAGIKA TEMPLAR, and im sure more experienced and better players would even get better dps because I missed so much on my rotation. and that was the result of only 2 days of testing and optimization on my part.

here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd4VvQ6v5YM


keep in mind I would never reach this kind of dps without the group im running with! they're just great players.

regards,

Very impressive, OP!

I have a Magicka Templar I've been struggling with.

What Skills were you using (your build), and what sets did you have equipped? What Mundus Stone were you using?

I am highly interested in knowing what made that possible.

maybe i'll post the full build later.

Thanks for taking the time and expense required to prove the point that this game is the player and not the class and that people should stop pointing fingers at others for their own failures.

It is pretty evident from the top vMSA scores just how close the balance between the classes is.

Great work!

not a problem, and thanks for your reply.

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

So you did 40K with templar and 46K with sorc. And you are saying it is roughly the same so templar is as OP as sorc ok ? But it's a flawed logic because there is a guy who did 54K DPS as sorc.

It's a 14K diff from your templar DPS and 8K diff from your sorc DPS. And this is quite a difference imo. You said you weren't a good templar player, and that maybe it could be possible to make better DPS on this boss...but without seeing a 'good' templar DPS on this boss and the difference between these results and sorc DPS, HOW IN HELL CAN YOU SAY IF TEMPLAR IS GREAT OR NOT ?

if I were a better templar player, I would have reached it yes. I've been playing as sorc dps and templar as healer since I started playing this game. . I never played as templar dps before so yes if it was a better player than me, sure will reach that or even get more. i just wanted to prove a point.


about the guy who made 54k dps, he is just simply a better player than me, maybe one of the best sorc players too. and there has to be templar players who can reach that but me I just couldnt because im not used to it.

Oh_Skrivva

Both classes are great. So what if one does 6-8k more honestly.... You'll still doing atleast 30k dps. With that dps you can clear all content in eso. People just need to stop with this "pissing contest".

Joy_Division

K, nice but ...

• Templars have been since 1.6 always excellent against stationary PVE mobs. Any who denies this is not being honest or is too biased to have a productive conversation
• As others have pointed out, there is AoE damage - and a lot of it - included in your DPS. Your sorc DPS was mostly single target. That's a significant difference
• To maximize Templar DPS, your target needs to be stationary and you need to be in melee range, which put real limits on the DPS. Against the Warrior, Mantikora, or any other fight that requires movement, your DPS will drop sharply whereas a sorcerer will only lose some lightning flood DoT damage

What I think is most telling is just how simplistic it is for both of these classes to achieve max DPS. A sorc just overload spams and a templar just jab-jab-jab-jab-jab. You don't even change bars. Poor design IMHO.

So, in short, yes, you do point out what anyone with an objective brain already knew: Templars do very good DPS under ideal conditions (stationary target that remains in melee range and a few adds in the mix with the jabs).

That doesn't mean it's not a flawed class with a lot of wonky mechanics that undermine its performance in not so ideal settings and a bunch of skills like sun shield, backlash, radiant aura, healing ritual, et al, that are just bad.

MrGrimey

Templar AOE > Sorc AOE

ssewallb14_ESO

Any class can do the same or better under the same conditions.

Alcast

@Meshal Sorc needs overload "nerf" or adjustment or w/e you want to call it. I mean 40k dps there is nice but it doesnt rly matter >.>

What dps do you get on Manti or serpent for example?

Xjcon

I like what your doing here OP great group Synergy is amazing. Another person has a thread showing DPS parses on Adjudiciator get your group together and post some good parses from there. Fun seeing others pull big numbers on targets that have more health then your current target.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/218378/show-your-best-dps-in-vet-white-gold-tower-first-boss-adjudicator

timidobserver

The dps is definitely less about Magicka Templar and more about the various things you and your group did to inflate the dps, but it is a nice video nonetheless. To me, the video is more of an argument for finding a way to excel in spite of your shortcomings than a statement that Magicka Templar dps is on par in a normal environment.

Matem

Katinas wrote: »

I Highlander l wrote: »

You threw a bomb on some slaves at the start, how does that translate in to a Templar dps thread?

Exactly.
He is doing AOE dps with all/most possible buffs and quotes it as a 40k magicka templar dps.

you completely missed his point...

Islyn

Meshal wrote: »

GUYS why so much rant again?

I NEVER said im a good player. I SAID TEMPLARS ARE GOOD DPS, and this VIDEO PROVES IT, and I will repeat what i said in the previews thread.

this kind of dps can be done in any CLASS, it's not an issue of a certain class. it only depends on the group u play with, I WOULD NEVER REACH THIS IF I WAS WITH A DIFFERENT GROUP.

In my opinion it doesn't.

20 seconds with adds andAOE just is not sustained DPS imho.

Still a nice fight and all xD

(Oh and I don;t think Templars are weak, I think some skills need reconsideration though)

*Edited to read a bit nicer, I can come across sharp when I don't mean to.

usmcjdking

@ZOS_Finn

>>>We have been designing and testing group based mechanics with the current tanking levels internally for a while now. It was challenging to get used to but the changes were made to counteract a lot of the Tanking mechanics that trivialized that aspect of the game.
>>>One of the more difficult bosses in the game.
>>>Dead in 20 seconds.
>>>Tanking mechanics being triviliazed.
>>>Nerf Tanking.
>>>Trivial tanking mechanics.

Overbowed

This whole thread is a troll. Might aswell go parse a group of mudcrabs and say you get 104k single target deeps.

Sotha_Sil

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

Both classes are great. So what if one does 6-8k more honestly.... You'll still doing atleast 30k dps. With that dps you can clear all content in eso. People just need to stop with this "pissing contest".

Who cares if you can do great DPS as templar if another class can do better ? It's not about pulling high numbers. It's about balance. And as people highlighted before good luck when you can't dps a boss in a melee stationary position.

Zinaroth

I am flattered that I got your attention. It wasn't meant as provocation merely an outcry. Sorry if I stepped on your toes. I do know what I am talking about and the fact that I am a part of Hodor is a testiment to that. Templars will never out DPS any other class within the same skill range as any other class within any competetive PvE enviroment. Not now and never has been that way.

Just like your Sorc video wasn't a testiment to how OP sorcs are (which they are) just because you can output a lot of damage on a boss in a group dungeon, likewise is this not a testiment to Templars being competetive. @Alcast has reached 50k dps on his stamina templar on longer fights on dungeon bosses, still doesn't mean Templars are on pair.

The only reason you triggered my response on the previous video was because you boldly and ignorantly claimed that Templars have been top DPS at some point in the life of ESO, which is not the case, and that Sorcs are only recieving nerfs, which is definately not the case either.

That being said you should be proud of your achievements regardless of the amount of hate you recieve, and kudos to you for putting in the effort of making this video again.

I would however like that you, in the future, refrain from making an entire thread in attempt to name and shame me publically.

I am sorry that you don't agree with me and you're entitled to your opinion even if it's based on wrong assumptions.

Sorry for coming off arrogant, these kind of provocations tend to trigger auch behaviour in some people including me.

Thank you.

Meshal

I honestly dont know what to say anymore. whatever I do, u guys will never be convinced. if a player doesn't spend his time training on the rotation, and optimizing the build to suit the way he plays, he wont be able to achieve anything.

Templar is my favorite class in the game and you guys been complaining about it for I dont know how long now. I spent my time to make this video to prove a point but I guess I failed!

each argument wants the templar to achieve the highest in everything so that they can be satisfied, i remember the days when most Vdsa leaderboard groups and dungeon groups were 3 templars and 1 dk, but i guess to you that doesnt count!

some say that each class should be equally balanced in everything! are you serious? do u think it's even possible to achieve such a thing with drastically different classes? it's statistically impossible!!

and if u believe that, why dont u go and rant about how templar class has the most heal abilities and sorc or any other class should get that too! or how dk has the most tanking abilities...etc

point is, any class can make the highest dps if it was with the right group and been tested right.

Waffennacht

I agree, seriously tired of people wanting every class at any level to be the same at everything. That's stupid, why even bother with classes at that point?

Meshal

Zinaroth wrote: »

I am flattered that I got your attention. It wasn't meant as provocation merely an outcry. Sorry if I stepped on your toes. I do know what I am talking about and the fact that I am a part of Hodor is a testiment to that. Templars will never out DPS any other class within the same skill range as any other class within any competetive PvE enviroment. Not now and never has been that way.

Just like your Sorc video wasn't a testiment to how OP sorcs are (which they are) just because you can output a lot of damage on a boss in a group dungeon, likewise is this not a testiment to Templars being competetive. @Alcast has reached 50k dps on his stamina templar on longer fights on dungeon bosses, still doesn't mean Templars are on pair.

The only reason you triggered my response on the previous video was because you boldly and ignorantly claimed that Templars have been top DPS at some point in the life of ESO, which is not the case, and that Sorcs are only recieving nerfs, which is definately not the case either.

That being said you should be proud of your achievements regardless of the amount of hate you recieve, and kudos to you for putting in the effort of making this video again.

I would however like that you, in the future, refrain from making an entire thread in attempt to name and shame me publically.

I am sorry that you don't agree with me and you're entitled to your opinion even if it's based on wrong assumptions.

Sorry for coming off arrogant, these kind of provocations tend to trigger auch behaviour in some people including me.

Thank you.

i'm not attempting to shame you publicly or anything like that at all. I never do such a thing, and I never think this way at all, it's just not who I am. im so sorry if I made you feel that way, it's truly not my intentions.

I only included your comment because honestly you're the person who made me respec my lovely healer Lady Tauriel to dps. you sort of push me to do that lol, and that's why I included the comment and nothing more and nothing else.

after reading your comment, i honestly thought ,and still think, you're wrong in every possible way, it's just we have different opinions you and me. then, i directly logged in and started to work on my healer to make her dps and that's how everything started.

and that's the only reason I included your comment. so sorry if u felt something else, it's not my intention, and if you want me to delete it, I will.

usmcjdking

I'm sorry but this video was pretty definitive proof that magicka Templars are in a pretty good spot.

Gyudan

Nerf templar. Nerf breath of life. Nerf shards!

Anzriel

lmfao

I tried to warn you mate. You can post templar dps and it'd still turn into a nerf sorcs thread. Thank you forums.

RedRoomGaming

I have a stamplar and am horrible playing with it. I been thinking of switching to Mage temp purley for the power side of things! Wish we had these sort of stats on ps4!

Nifty2g

I want to impress you @Alcast

mtwiggz

Templars are not weak anywhere. Whether it's PvE or PvP. What makes a class weak is the gear and player behind it.

KingYogi415

Are you running entropy?

you had no mention of your CP which I found odd.

Im assusing you put everything in therm?

Thanks if you Reply

Nifty2g

Guys should probably stop asking for a build and tips over a 10 second fight

Justice31st

Meshal wrote: »

Hello,

first of all I would like to thank Prothy, Region, and Killerbunny for their help. awesome players and great people.

second,

I made a post a couple of days ago, showing 46k dps on my sorc character, and most of the comments were rants, asking for sorc's nerf, or templar buff. I've been saying templar class is great, and is one of the best dps in the game, it's just an issue of players not knowing how to play the class. and also said that templar class has been buffed so many times but they were denying that.


here are some of those comments:

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

Troneon wrote: »

Sorc OP, nerf Sorc, nerf Overload!!1!!!!!1111111!!

and a LOT more, you can check the thread here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232342/46k-dps/p1


and what really irritated me the most was this comment:

Zinaroth wrote: »

Templars aren't, and never were, the best DPS in the game. They have always been dead last. Overall Templars have been nerfed a bit since the release of the game when you measure them against the other classes. Overall Sorcs have been buffed to the point of absurdity because of the outrage from the sorc community pre 1.6 aka the CP patch. After this patch NB and Sorcs arose from the ashes and have pretty much been OP since then in respective parts of the game. I with Templars had the same amount of people on the forums but they all rerolled very early in the game.

You, the OP, claiming that Templars have ever been the best DPS in this game and that Sorcs are only recieving nerfs, is either a testiment to how you haven't played the game for very long, or lack basic knowledge when it comes to PvE class balance.

Regards, top tier raider from Hodor EU.

because this guy clearly doesnt know what he's talking about, and im not that kind of a person to get into an endless discussion, so I decided to respec my healer templar to dps to prove that templar class isnt bad but GREAT.


now keep in mind, that im not a good templar player, I only play my templar as healer, and never played as dps with templar, but I decided to give it a try. created the sets I needed, and thought of the skills I should use, with few optimization with what I had in mind I did 40k dps with my MAGIKA TEMPLAR, and im sure more experienced and better players would even get better dps because I missed so much on my rotation. and that was the result of only 2 days of testing, optimization, and training on my part.

here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd4VvQ6v5YM


keep in mind I would never reach this kind of dps without the group im running with! they're just great players.

regards,

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

So you did 40K with templar and 46K with sorc. And you are saying it is roughly the same so templar is as OP as sorc ok ? But it's a flawed logic because there is a guy who did 54K DPS as sorc.

It's a 14K diff from your templar DPS and 8K diff from your sorc DPS. And this is quite a difference imo. You said you weren't a good templar player, and that maybe it could be possible to make better DPS on this boss...but without seeing a 'good' templar DPS on this boss and the difference between these results and sorc DPS, HOW IN HELL CAN YOU SAY IF TEMPLAR IS GREAT OR NOT ?

So lets throw a bomb, get group buffs (such as the spell power cure proc) and fight stationary and then say Magicka Templars dps is comparable to sorcerers How was that magicka sustain buddy? It was a good thing your video was only a couple seconds. Lol...

Justice31st

Katinas wrote: »

I Highlander l wrote: »

You threw a bomb on some slaves at the start, how does that translate in to a Templar dps thread?

Exactly.
He is doing AOE dps with all/most possible buffs and quotes it as a 40k magicka templar dps.

^This. The OP is obviously a troll... Testing a classes dps and then making a comment such as they are balanced should only be proven while solo and unbuffed lol...

Jhunn

Justice31st wrote: »

^This. The OP is obviously a troll... Testing a classes dps and then making a comment such as they are balanced should only be proven while solo and unbuffed lol...

/facepalm

Jesus. These forums Q_Q

Justice31st

Jhunn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

^This. The OP is obviously a troll... Testing a classes dps and then making a comment such as they are balanced should only be proven while solo and unbuffed lol...

/facepalm

Jesus. These forums Q_Q

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Jhunn

Justice31st wrote: »

/facepalm

Jesus these randoms. :'(

Random. Haha.

Well it's not my fault you people are completely missing the intention of OP. Of course it's not your fault you're lacking IQ, either