Anzriel wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

why did this turn into nerfing sorcs?

i kinda regret posting the video now >.<

You could have posted templar dps, it still would have turned into a nerf sorcs thread.

Sadly, there is some truth behind this joke >.<

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@Meshal so far you've had 60 posts but 1.3k views on your thread.
..don't worry too much, my friends and people I know have already talked about your post on TS and whispered to eachother ingame, and their opinions are all positive ..but they don't care to make posts on the forums.

Wow, nice.

What's like the average dps a good DD hould be dealing now?

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

Oh FFS. 22 days into #NoNefNovember and you gotta break the chain. Man. YOU need to be Nerfed.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd say that at the moment anything under 12K is low, 15K is ok, 18K is good and 20K and above is very good to excellent.

But it has to be taken with a grain of salt. As soon as your target is not perfectly tanked, starts to move, makes you parry or interrupt yourself in any way, you'll lose a lot of dps, but your rotation will still be very good.
It also depends on the group synergies and buffs (as shown in this video), and it also depends on the mob itself : they have very diverse resistances. Many players tend to measure and show their DPS against daedroths. These poor beasts seem indeed very weak and accept a lot of damage, significantly more than most other mobs.

I don't know if they daedroths take more or less damage, but usually they're slow and stupid - and don't come with an army of other mobs, so they're easy to tank and compare dps on. We do that in WGT

I agree to all your post btw. moving around, trying to avoid damage etc. is all a loss of dmg.

I have only tried to nuke the planar boss 1 time, and that was not with my usual group. Normally we have higher dps in my group, but since me and the tank don't do that much damage, the overall dps of our group is lower, so we have to take down portals and switch roles to tank the boss

Nerf aggressive horn, nerf combat prayer, nerf spell power cure nerf all the things..........

Seriously though templar buff healers you the real MVP

PS sorcs are fine.

Enimis wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

Magick build, not stamina sorc.

they werent even using a weapon

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd say that at the moment anything under 12K is low, 15K is ok, 18K is good and 20K and above is very good to excellent.

But it has to be taken with a grain of salt. As soon as your target is not perfectly tanked, starts to move, makes you parry or interrupt yourself in any way, you'll lose a lot of dps, but your rotation will still be very good.
It also depends on the group synergies and buffs (as shown in this video), and it also depends on the mob itself : they have very diverse resistances. Many players tend to measure and show their DPS against daedroths. These poor beasts seem indeed very weak and accept a lot of damage, significantly more than most other mobs.

I think the best DPS test is Hardmode Sanctum or Hardmode AA
Which reminds me why hasn't anyone created a thread where people post their DPS parses

Justice31st wrote: »

Thank you for this. More evidence on why sorcs should be nerfed.

More like more reasons why soft caps and diminished returns make a better game. That way you know the values players will reach to balance all content around.

The only question is ... how Region survived all thouse archers ?

Vezuls wrote: »

To Sorcs saying sorcs can't sustain DPS without Overload, tell me why I know a sorc who can kill Bloodspawn in 71 seconds, which is over 22k DPS with weaves and force pulse... This is on console also. Any class can sustain 20k+ without an ultimate, it isn't hard if you're good. Sheesh. Overload DOES need a nerf. A single Overload hit does more damage than any other ultimate, not to mention 3 Overloads will outclass a full meteor duration.

no one said sorcs cant sustain DPS - whats been said (and i was one of them is that any other class does more dmg in the same situation thanks to spell options being worth used) just compare the "poor" mana dk to a sorc, both have a GTAE doing comparable dmg, sorcs than have nothing but forcepuls and every now and then a CF. the DK can keep up 2 dots each increasing its dps as they do significantly more dmg per activation than a FP and if they like to can use instead of FP whip doing alot mor dmg as well than a FP. (its the same for NBs too but to a lesser degree though) on top of that dks elemental dmg synergy is unmatched and they do have unmatched buffs aswell.

so its not about saying sorcs don´t do dmg at all - but they do the least of the 3 DD classes (temps are totaly *** up currently when mana speced, your a healer or you go stam and can do fine as a dps)

Tankqull wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

To Sorcs saying sorcs can't sustain DPS without Overload, tell me why I know a sorc who can kill Bloodspawn in 71 seconds, which is over 22k DPS with weaves and force pulse... This is on console also. Any class can sustain 20k+ without an ultimate, it isn't hard if you're good. Sheesh. Overload DOES need a nerf. A single Overload hit does more damage than any other ultimate, not to mention 3 Overloads will outclass a full meteor duration.

no one said sorcs cant sustain DPS - whats been said (and i was one of them is that any other class does more dmg in the same situation thanks to spell options being worth used) just compare the "poor" mana dk to a sorc, both have a GTAE doing comparable dmg, sorcs than have nothing but forcepuls and every now and then a CF. the DK can keep up 2 dots each increasing its dps as they do significantly more dmg per activation than a FP and if they like to can use instead of FP whip doing alot mor dmg as well than a FP. (its the same for NBs too but to a lesser degree though) on top of that dks elemental dmg synergy is unmatched and they do have unmatched buffs aswell.

so its not about saying sorcs don´t do dmg at all - but they do the least of the 3 DD classes (temps are totaly *** up currently when mana speced, your a healer or you go stam and can do fine as a dps)

fyi sorc has far more damage options than just liquid lightning and crystal frags. comparing sorc and dk dps is far more complicated. also dks doing more dps is justified because unlike sorc you have to be full melee. in a full ranged fight sorc is gonna do more dps.

Instant wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

To Sorcs saying sorcs can't sustain DPS without Overload, tell me why I know a sorc who can kill Bloodspawn in 71 seconds, which is over 22k DPS with weaves and force pulse... This is on console also. Any class can sustain 20k+ without an ultimate, it isn't hard if you're good. Sheesh. Overload DOES need a nerf. A single Overload hit does more damage than any other ultimate, not to mention 3 Overloads will outclass a full meteor duration.

no one said sorcs cant sustain DPS - whats been said (and i was one of them is that any other class does more dmg in the same situation thanks to spell options being worth used) just compare the "poor" mana dk to a sorc, both have a GTAE doing comparable dmg, sorcs than have nothing but forcepuls and every now and then a CF. the DK can keep up 2 dots each increasing its dps as they do significantly more dmg per activation than a FP and if they like to can use instead of FP whip doing alot mor dmg as well than a FP. (its the same for NBs too but to a lesser degree though) on top of that dks elemental dmg synergy is unmatched and they do have unmatched buffs aswell.

so its not about saying sorcs don´t do dmg at all - but they do the least of the 3 DD classes (temps are totaly *** up currently when mana speced, your a healer or you go stam and can do fine as a dps)

fyi sorc has far more damage options than just liquid lightning and crystal frags. comparing sorc and dk dps is far more complicated. also dks doing more dps is justified because unlike sorc you have to be full melee. in a full ranged fight sorc is gonna do more dps.

i mus t be missing spells in my sorcs spell list then... all dmg spells i have access to are LL, CF, curse, mage fury and as filler abilities either destro staffs force shock morphs or the mana intensive undauted trapping webs. curse does less dmg per activation than FP so its a dps waste leaving you with 3 abilities and finisher... so where are the far more options or do you actually insist a tank go walkies with the boss through mines?
ah i forgott our awesome so fun to play pet toggles...

Xjcon wrote: »

What are all the negative comments about? Jealousy? There is videos of each class putting numbers up like this.

Nice parses by the way.

I would really like to see a stamplar pulling 40k dps.

Nighn_9 wrote: »

u didnt even have a weapon equipped lol

Your weapon "disappears" when you activate overload.

i was actually reading the comments thinking i would find a comment i can reply to, but all i find is either a rant, nerfing sorcs, or buffing other classes.

not even a single comment praising the guy who actually thought about this build and made his excessive tests on it, and not on the video's group effort to actually make this possible! i can't actually believe that people making this a class issue because some people can actually pull this off by using a certain build!

im actually speechless. and for that, i'll leave this thread from now on for you guys to ruin it even further.

Tankqull wrote: »

Instant wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

To Sorcs saying sorcs can't sustain DPS without Overload, tell me why I know a sorc who can kill Bloodspawn in 71 seconds, which is over 22k DPS with weaves and force pulse... This is on console also. Any class can sustain 20k+ without an ultimate, it isn't hard if you're good. Sheesh. Overload DOES need a nerf. A single Overload hit does more damage than any other ultimate, not to mention 3 Overloads will outclass a full meteor duration.

no one said sorcs cant sustain DPS - whats been said (and i was one of them is that any other class does more dmg in the same situation thanks to spell options being worth used) just compare the "poor" mana dk to a sorc, both have a GTAE doing comparable dmg, sorcs than have nothing but forcepuls and every now and then a CF. the DK can keep up 2 dots each increasing its dps as they do significantly more dmg per activation than a FP and if they like to can use instead of FP whip doing alot mor dmg as well than a FP. (its the same for NBs too but to a lesser degree though) on top of that dks elemental dmg synergy is unmatched and they do have unmatched buffs aswell.

so its not about saying sorcs don´t do dmg at all - but they do the least of the 3 DD classes (temps are totaly *** up currently when mana speced, your a healer or you go stam and can do fine as a dps)

fyi sorc has far more damage options than just liquid lightning and crystal frags. comparing sorc and dk dps is far more complicated. also dks doing more dps is justified because unlike sorc you have to be full melee. in a full ranged fight sorc is gonna do more dps.

i mus t be missing spells in my sorcs spell list then... all dmg spells i have access to are LL, CF, curse, mage fury and as filler abilities either destro staffs force shock morphs or the mana intensive undauted trapping webs. curse does less dmg per activation than FP so its a dps waste leaving you with 3 abilities and finisher... so where are the far more options or do you actually insist a tank go walkies with the boss through mines?
ah i forgott our awesome so fun to play pet toggles...

You just listed some of the options. You forgot lightning form. Also its worth using destructive clench, blockade of fire, prox deto.