Scathing Mage - The defintion of defeat

Love Wizard

Hello, I am writing this in a state of disbelief, and frustration, but I'll try to remain as ontopic as I can be, but when you've recieved around 300 frostbite staffs you kind of start losing it. To my point being, me and my friends has been farming imperial city prison to obtain scathing mage, it's a set im curious to try, however obtaining this set has been one hell of a struggle.

At this moment, there is only one boss in the dungeon that does drop gloves, and that is the last boss, so it's not able to farm them efficiently without having to clear the entire dungeon. So, im asking you developers. What is the drop rate of gloves of the scathing mage, and why does it have to be so rare? I get that you want players to have something to spend their time on, and to be occupied with, but this is just ridicolous. I can say for sure I've been farming prison actively for more than a month now, and I have yet to see any group member get the Gloves of the Scathing Mage.

So far we've discovered that the Overfiend, only drops two shackles and nothing but this, trashpacks seems to only be dropping boots, the boss that summons the atronachs, seems to be dropping legs and sashes, the watcher boss, only drops shackles aswell, then you have the big ogrim boss that spawns the overdosers, which is more interesting as it contains chest pieces and epaulets in his loot table, the four knights only drops shackles, and the last boss drops head and gloves. The vault obviously has a chance of dropping the gloves too, but still nothing from them either.

For statisical purposes, me and my friend @Selawa has the full set of all the other sets except Scathing Mage, in perfect pieces. So you can imagine having to farm a perfect set in scathing would just be unacceptable if you ask me, considering the time we've put in this.

All im asking for you Zenimax is, please for the love of god don't turn this game into a grindfest. Im still looking to get my sharpened inferno staff from maelstrom arena, and once I've got that im presuming there will be some better gear I need to grind, or craft in the next DLC. Sorry for the salty feedback, but this is just *** laughable. I atleast hope you will cover my therapy fees for my PTSD from prison.

- A salty bosmer.

Paulington

I agree wholeheartedly with the salty Bosmer.

Could we please investigate possible replacements for the grind system, such as a token system? ZOS went halfway with the Daedric Shackles but it's still RNG. Why can we not save up shackles like we can TVS and swap them for the exact gear we want? Yes, it's still a grind, but it's a grind with a specific end goal instead of endless brainafk grinding.

Many better ways to do this.

Xantaria

I think I love Mashinate

failkiwib16_ESO

I tried Prison before I tried WGT and it was obvious to me that WGT was an easier grind. Took me 3 weeks non stop grind only, everyday with the same group to get a full set. Shoes being v15 and shoulders being well fitted trait, legs being reinforced...

I recently got my v16 shoulders with divine trait, now still missing legs and shoes with a good trait in v16.
<< that is what you get from WGT, and it seems like a cakewalk compared to ICP

ZOS please consider doing something about this, it is really horrible - even with the new drop rates everyone is talking about - it is still very unreasonable.

xMovingTarget

Pretty much why I dont play ESO anymore. Farm 1 dungeon until your eyes bleed and still dont get what you need/want. Those dungeons arnt bad, But I cant be asked to repeat 1 single dungeon over 100 times and still dont have what I want. Too repeatative without seeing a reward in the end.

It´s not hard to put in a NPC for example in the trophy vault that sells the pieces for shackles etc. So you can at least get your goal at some point. Or 1 chest per set instead of 1 for all sets.

Xjcon

I have a full set of Scathing mage and I still run crafted V16 TBS. Scathing is a great idea but the proc doesn't overlap so you end up less SD over time then you would with just Julianos.

Alcast

I stopped farming WGT/IP about after 20 runs because I saw I will NEVER ever get what I need. I am also not very optimistic that they ever will get it right, so many chances wasted.

All they need to introduce is a Token system for such things or adjust the droprate. Much content is wasted because Loot is not upgraded like:

vDSA
AA
HRC
SO

nobody is going there because there is NOTHING to get from. If there was v16 loot, MANY more people would still happily farm those dungeons although they are over one year old.
But no, better introduce BoP gear all the way, gg.

Shader_Shibes

Xjcon wrote: »

I have a full set of Scathing mage and I still run crafted V16 TBS. Scathing is a great idea but the proc doesn't overlap so you end up less SD over time then you would with just Julianos.

Same, it's sitting redundant in my bank beacuse i get better numbers with Juliano's.

I got the gloves 1x, well-fitted and used them until i got another drop in Divines, so decon'd the gloves.

The grind is a *** nightmare, but didn't they mention on their last stream that they would look into some kind of token system? That will be very far from now though, if they even implement it

tangy.citrus

Took my group more than 110 runs, and only 2/4 of us have full sets of scathing mage - not even perfect traits.

The watcher boss can drop greaves, but its rare af.

Someone has already tested out scathing, and its only up about 50% of the time according to them, mine is usually up about 60-70% of the time, but i havnt been very thorough with testing it.

If it is 60% or below, its not as good as TBS or Julianos. If you want scathing for collection purposes, then GL. The grind is real. Dont burn yourselves out like we did with it, 2-3 runs a day (depending on your online activity) for work days, and about double that on weekdays is all i recommend.

Stikato

Basically, the problem is that the time it takes to grind the best gear, is too high as compared to the interval between DLC.

For example, from playing IC on PTS, the set I wanted was Sheer Venom. When I realized the time it would take to farm, I also realized that the next DLC would probably be out shortly after--if not before I finished. So I simply avoided those dungeons. I wasn't happy, but I realized quickly that doing those dungeons was a waste of time as compared to going after the Agility set, which I managed to complete in Robust 5 days before Orsinium.

Now with Orsinium out, I look at things like farming for Briarheart and Maelstrom weapons, and I am having the same questions.

Compounding this is the potential for new VR CP max level gear, and I start to realize my best bet is crafted or TV stone gear.

(It kind of makes me wonder, why are all these grinds in place, without a cash shop way to speed them up? Not that I'm in favor of that, but it seems weird for a B2P game to set up huge grinds without ways to monetize them).

I'm all in favor of having hard to get gear. But this RNG system is the worst way to do it. I'd rather have tokens, hunt rare mobs/drops, anything else. RNG just promotes the worst kind of gameplay. It's repetitive and boring. And it leads to you players experiencing "failure" 99 times out of 100 they play your game. On top of this, with BOP, we can't even buy this stuff with money earned through other play styles.

If players know that, going into content, that they have a 95-99% chance of failing, at some point they just give up. Best case, they move on to other parts of the game. Worst case, they hover the mouse over the "PLAY" button, and then click the "X".

EgoRush

I accidentally deconstructed my divines Scathing gloves is there anyway I can have it returned? It will take me another 3000 runs to get that drop again.

Paulington

EgoRush wrote: »

I accidentally deconstructed my divines Scathing gloves is there anyway I can have it returned? It will take me another 3000 runs to get that drop again.

I distinctly remember you having a full yellow set of divines Scathing Mage, do you not remember that?

Digiman

Same most MMO's are now currently abandoning the RNG system, even new ones realize the huge falacry in requiring gamers to actual luck when getting something they want.

The reason being is that it actually drives most of there paying customers away, when things like clearing a dungeon that requires team work and a time sink to complete for a 2% chance at getting piece of equipement that doesn't even seem worth it compared to the effort they obviously try to create vendor that reward players with giving them comparable gear for tokens given to the players for completing that dungeon run.

ZoS lack of development experience plus their utter willful ignorance on the subject will only hurt there profits. When it comes to a paying MMO's time invested into a particular area should yield actual results, not intenionally designed gambling RNG.

If there developers and CEO's don't get that, they deserve to lose money from their share holders and get removed from the company because of it!

tinythinker

Alcast wrote: »

Much content is wasted because Loot is not upgraded like:

vDSA
AA
HRC
SO

nobody is going there because there is NOTHING to get from. If there was v16 loot, MANY more people would still happily farm those dungeons although they are over one year old.
But no, better introduce BoP gear all the way, gg.

Yeah I've suggested that as part of a solution to another issue, but I wouldn't recommend you hold your breath.

Zilch

Zenimax believes that having a tedious loot system encourages people to play longer. I honestly believe it has the opposite effect. What's the fun in grinding for something which you may never end up achieving? There's not enough incentive to farm for something as it currently stands. Chances are you'll never get what you're aiming for and ultimately end up having wasted your time.

Personofsecrets

@ZOS_RichLambert , buff or BOE or bust.

Nifty2g

meh scathing has a <50% uptime making it weaker compared to other set ups

Love Wizard

Nifty2g wrote: »

meh scathing has a <50% uptime making it weaker compared to other set ups

The less you know, the better. Fact of the matter is sitting and farming a dungeon for countless of hours and hours and getting *******, is not acceptable.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing and Profanity]

PBpsy

Stop complaining . Earn ur gear. Feel the accomplishments. ZOS pls nurf drop rates .

Personofsecrets

You must WORK in MMO. Much work!

PBpsy

Personofsecrets wrote: »

You must WORK in MMO. Much work!

Yes. Exactly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
Now go back to grinding !!!

Nifty2g

Love Wizard wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

meh scathing has a <50% uptime making it weaker compared to other set ups

The less you know, the better. Fact of the matter is sitting and farming a dungeon for countless of hours and hours and getting fuckall, is not acceptable.

You must have missed week 1 of release when I did farm for countless hours, but yeah i got full sets of divines now, most of the gear is lame, except for spell power cure and overwhelming
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/214809/zos-fix-the-imperial-city-dungeon-drop-rates/p1

PaddingtonBear

yeap drop rates in ic dungeons too low, there are some runs when I don't even get anything at all. Mine you, I have no life, I play like 12 hours a day = 12 or so wgt runs with breaks in between, and ive been getting lame stuff like reinforced essence thief etc

PaddingtonBear

yeap drop rates in ic dungeons too low, there are some runs when I don't even get anything at all. Mine you, I have no life, I play like 12 hours a day = 12 or so wgt runs with breaks in between, and ive been getting lame stuff like reinforced essence thief etc

and that's from the vaults, I hardly get anything usable during runs

sorry double post

TiberX

"http://"]http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231141/vwgt-vicp-dropbug-theories-and-tests#latest

We had some testing too after dozens of runs:)

Islyn

Alcast wrote: »

I stopped farming WGT/IP about after 20 runs because I saw I will NEVER ever get what I need. I am also not very optimistic that they ever will get it right, so many chances wasted.

All they need to introduce is a Token system for such things or adjust the droprate. Much content is wasted because Loot is not upgraded like:

vDSA
AA
HRC
SO

nobody is going there because there is NOTHING to get from. If there was v16 loot, MANY more people would still happily farm those dungeons although they are over one year old.
But no, better introduce BoP gear all the way, gg.

Yes I just said same the other day. No one gives 2 snips because nothing is in there anyone wants.

Put the new loots in the old stuffs. Easy, fast, good.

eliisra

+1 this thread.

They supposedly buffed the droprate in vWGT and vICP. But did they really? Think I've done 50+ runs last two weeks farming Spell Cure and all I have to show is one pair of boots.

Most runs you get nothing at all.

Open the vault you get Jolting junk trash well fitted or another Essence Thief helm well fitted.

You're suppose to run a dungeon 5000+ times or something to get a complete set? So when are you suppose to enjoy the actual gear? By the time you have a complete set(not well fitted) it it's going to be outdated by a new DLC.

The drop rate + rng is so bad most people dont even bother farming IC dungeons. That's a problem.

JamilaRaj

Zilch wrote: »

Zenimax believes that having a tedious loot system encourages people to play longer. I honestly believe it has the opposite effect. What's the fun in grinding for something which you may never end up achieving?

You are not supposed to have fun while grinding! You are supposed to be tired, bored and annoyed to the point that when eventually offered an option to pave your way to gear with dollars (with some intermediate step between dollars and gear to obfuscate it a bit), you will not only welcome it, but welcome it sincerely.

Colosso-monstro

tangy.citrus wrote: »

Took my group more than 110 runs, and only 2/4 of us have full sets of scathing mage - not even perfect traits.

The watcher boss can drop greaves, but its rare af.

Someone has already tested out scathing, and its only up about 50% of the time according to them, mine is usually up about 60-70% of the time, but i havnt been very thorough with testing it.

If it is 60% or below, its not as good as TBS or Julianos. If you want scathing for collection purposes, then GL. The grind is real. Dont burn yourselves out like we did with it, 2-3 runs a day (depending on your online activity) for work days, and about double that on weekdays is all i recommend.

That's crazy good up time. You need over 58% to be better than julianos. I'm going to get scathing

Suru

EgoRush wrote: »

I accidentally deconstructed my divines Scathing gloves is there anyway I can have it returned? It will take me another 3000 runs to get that drop again.

Mail zos and be persistent. Its worked for me with momster helms.

PriorityBalle

Bumping

ZoS FIX THIS ***, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TEST GEAR IF IT TAKES MONTHS TO ACQUIRE, THIS IS NOT ONLY A RAGE POST BUT ALSO YOUR DAILY DOSE OF *** ENLIGHTENMENT THAT ONLY LAST'S FOR 1/3 OF A CP LEVEL CAUSE YOUR SYSTEM IS FLAUD, LISTEN TO YOUR COMMUNITY ONE TIME PLEASE.

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