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My BIGGEST issue in this game..... Guild Traders
Eshelmen
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Hear me out before trolling me.
We all know about Guild Traders, and we all know the pros and cons of selling items with a Guild Trader.
1. Guild Traders
1a. more popular = more sales = more money
1b. less popular = less sales = less money
It's as simple as that.
What I have an issue with, is not just as a seller, but a buyer too.
I find it extremely ridiculous that I have to manually go to each guild trader to find the deals/items that I want.
If items for sale weren't so unfixed, I wouldn't mind as much, but they aren't fixed. The prices vary all over the place.
This results in making items generally more expensive than what they should be.
Example.
You'll eventually score a good deal, whether it be from a player who didn't know the value, or that the player who is selling the item, just isn't greedy.
Good deals are usually somewhat easy to find, but on the items you're looking for? Now that's the issue here.
I'm going to reference World of Warcraft ONLY to compare their buying/selling system to ESO.
Whoever knows about World of Warcraft, knows the Auction House system is indeed genius. It works and it works very well.
As a buyer, you don't have to spend 2 hours to manually search and find Guild Vendors that have the items/deals you want.
Instead, you visit an Auction House, search the item and BAM! It lists the cheapest to the most expensive in order, every time.
This system works so good, you never have to worry about money. Literally. It's like breathing air, because it works so smoothly.
What does this do for the buyer?
Makes buying easier, and the buyer will most likely spend more every time the Auction House window is open. Why?
Because it's easier to get what you want, and if one item is priced good, I'm most likely to spend on something else.
What does this do for the seller?
Almost guaranteed sales. It doesn't matter if you're an expert PVPer, have an awesome guild, or just a noobie. If a player needs that item, you are more likely to sell the item with hundreds if not thousands of players viewing it than waiting for 30 days to find the item in your mail again (Expired).
I don't understand how this Guild Vendor system is equal for everyone. In fact, it's definitely not.
The populated areas with Guild Vendors are the ones making the real cash here. And the rest are either doing okay, getting by or going broke.
To me, this is a no no with this game. It singles out the starting players and the rest whom aren't with a top notch guild.
This makes no sense to do this to the probably 90% of players. (Obviously not the real stat, but still)
As you can see here, it's pretty simple to see the item you are looking for and the price too.
Competition is definitely there, but at least the value of items are near fixed, or atleast it's much easier for EVERYONE to sell.
Not just a select few.
Now if by any means, Zeni said "You know what? I think we'll scrap all Guild Vendors". What will this do to those who paid enormous amounts of money to the vendors? Who cares? It's a broken system and you should feel fortunate that you've made good money with the game. Because a lot of others, certainly haven't.
This guild vendor system is against what I feel an MMO should be about. Community.
It feels like a very lonely world when you have this style of competition. The buyers/selling system shouldn't be for the very few, but for everyone.
My idea is this....
If Guild Traders are here to stay , fine. But at least make all items searchable at once. This would save everyone time and money on bid wars, and it makes everyone equal to buying/selling.
Thank you.
Edited by Eshelmen on November 6, 2015 7:17AM We all know about Guild Traders, and we all know the pros and cons of selling items with a Guild Trader.
1. Guild Traders
1a. more popular = more sales = more money
1b. less popular = less sales = less money
It's as simple as that.
What I have an issue with, is not just as a seller, but a buyer too.
I find it extremely ridiculous that I have to manually go to each guild trader to find the deals/items that I want.
If items for sale weren't so unfixed, I wouldn't mind as much, but they aren't fixed. The prices vary all over the place.
This results in making items generally more expensive than what they should be.
Example.
You'll eventually score a good deal, whether it be from a player who didn't know the value, or that the player who is selling the item, just isn't greedy.
Good deals are usually somewhat easy to find, but on the items you're looking for? Now that's the issue here.
I'm going to reference World of Warcraft ONLY to compare their buying/selling system to ESO.
Whoever knows about World of Warcraft, knows the Auction House system is indeed genius. It works and it works very well.
As a buyer, you don't have to spend 2 hours to manually search and find Guild Vendors that have the items/deals you want.
Instead, you visit an Auction House, search the item and BAM! It lists the cheapest to the most expensive in order, every time.
This system works so good, you never have to worry about money. Literally. It's like breathing air, because it works so smoothly.
What does this do for the buyer?
Makes buying easier, and the buyer will most likely spend more every time the Auction House window is open. Why?
Because it's easier to get what you want, and if one item is priced good, I'm most likely to spend on something else.
What does this do for the seller?
Almost guaranteed sales. It doesn't matter if you're an expert PVPer, have an awesome guild, or just a noobie. If a player needs that item, you are more likely to sell the item with hundreds if not thousands of players viewing it than waiting for 30 days to find the item in your mail again (Expired).
I don't understand how this Guild Vendor system is equal for everyone. In fact, it's definitely not.
The populated areas with Guild Vendors are the ones making the real cash here. And the rest are either doing okay, getting by or going broke.
To me, this is a no no with this game. It singles out the starting players and the rest whom aren't with a top notch guild.
This makes no sense to do this to the probably 90% of players. (Obviously not the real stat, but still)
As you can see here, it's pretty simple to see the item you are looking for and the price too.
Competition is definitely there, but at least the value of items are near fixed, or atleast it's much easier for EVERYONE to sell.
Not just a select few.
Now if by any means, Zeni said "You know what? I think we'll scrap all Guild Vendors". What will this do to those who paid enormous amounts of money to the vendors? Who cares? It's a broken system and you should feel fortunate that you've made good money with the game. Because a lot of others, certainly haven't.
This guild vendor system is against what I feel an MMO should be about. Community.
It feels like a very lonely world when you have this style of competition. The buyers/selling system shouldn't be for the very few, but for everyone.
My idea is this....
If Guild Traders are here to stay , fine. But at least make all items searchable at once. This would save everyone time and money on bid wars, and it makes everyone equal to buying/selling.
Thank you.
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Johngo0036✭✭✭✭✭Hey,
It would be VERY nice to have a central place that would search all guild stores and let me buy or sell that way..
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Myyth✭✭✭✭✭"I'm going to reference World of Warcraft ONLY to compare their buying/selling system to ESO.
Whoever knows about World of Warcraft, knows the Auction House system is indeed genius. It works and it works very well."
Actually it doenst work well.
What always happens is that one player always buys every cheap item on the local server auction house, then reposts them all at outrageous high prices. As a result you have a couple auction troll players that monopolize and control the market. Examples are low level greens that sell for hundreds of gold because one player buys them all. And they use add ons to do all the work for them so they control the entire servers AH prices.
I am very glad we dont have that problem here in ESO and it really is an open fair market.
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RatedChaotic✭✭✭✭I somewhat agree. But when you figure out what guilds have decent prices and where they are usually located its not so bad. Alot of these trading guilds are way over priced. I usually buy of the social type guilds. I usually get my items 1/4 of the price.3
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✭The good thing about having such randomised prices over different areas is that if you learn where the best deals are you can get it cheaper, and that some people actually make an in-game living off just buying up cheap, selling for market price and making a mint over time.
I find it annoying until I find the hood of the set I've been looking for for 1/2 the price I was willing to pay.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭"I'm going to reference World of Warcraft ONLY to compare their buying/selling system to ESO.
Whoever knows about World of Warcraft, knows the Auction House system is indeed genius. It works and it works very well."
Actually it doenst work well.
What always happens is that one player always buys every cheap item on the local server auction house, then reposts them all at outrageous high prices. As a result you have a couple auction troll players that monopolize and control the market. Examples are low level greens that sell for hundreds of gold because one player buys them all. And they use add ons to do all the work for them so they control the entire servers AH prices.
I am very glad we dont have that problem here in ESO and it really is an open fair market.
Actually I disagree. Here's why.
With your own example.
If an item is generally priced at say 100g, and someone foolishly sells that item for say 20G, of course someone will scoop it up and sell it for 80. It's part of the market.
But here's the good thing about that. EVERYONE has a chance to do this. And when you have literally hundreds if not thousands of players buying/selling in the same radius, it becomes a quick pace buying and selling system.
If someone actually does sell that 20g item for 80g, it's still a bargain for the rest of us (Compared to 100g average).
I'd rather know I can sell an item for undercut prices than biting my nails HOPING for any kind of sale, any day.
Edited by Eshelmen on November 6, 2015 7:02AMPC and PS4 EP only player7 -
DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree that it can be very unfair, but it IS fair in the manner that it mimics a real world scenario. I feel your proposal could be somewhat of an issue to role players as well, who would prefer to travel distant lands in hope of finding better deals, or those who stick to only purchasing from their city of choice lolEdited by DannyLV702 on November 6, 2015 7:02AM5 -
RatedChaotic✭✭✭✭"I'm going to reference World of Warcraft ONLY to compare their buying/selling system to ESO.
Whoever knows about World of Warcraft, knows the Auction House system is indeed genius. It works and it works very well."
Actually it doenst work well.
What always happens is that one player always buys every cheap item on the local server auction house, then reposts them all at outrageous high prices. As a result you have a couple auction troll players that monopolize and control the market. Examples are low level greens that sell for hundreds of gold because one player buys them all. And they use add ons to do all the work for them so they control the entire servers AH prices.
I am very glad we dont have that problem here in ESO and it really is an open fair market.
Actually I disagree. Here's why.
With your own example.
If an item is generally priced at say 100g, and someone foolishly sells that item for say 20G, of course someone will scoop it up and sell it for 80. It's part of the market.
But here's the good thing about that. EVERYONE has a chance to do this. And when you have literally hundreds if not thousands of players buying/selling in the same radius, it becomes a quick pace buying and selling system.
If someone actually does sell that 20g item for 80g, it's still a bargain for the rest of us (Compared to 100g average).
I'd rather know I can sell an item for undercut prices than biting my nails HOPING for any kind of sale, any day.
I buy from one trader really low sell in another really high.0 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »I agree that it can be very unfair, but it IS fair in the manner that it mimics a real world scenario. I feel your proposal could be somewhat of an issue to role players as well, who would prefer to travel distant lands in hope of finding better deals, or those who stick to only purchasing from their city of choice lol
You can be the sweetest peach in all the world, and yet someone won't like peaches.
For those who like spending time searching for items instead of progressing are probably the lesser of the bunch.
Why spend time on POSSIBLY buying an item at your preferred price, versus getting the item at the price you want and continuing your journey from there?
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ntheogenic✭✭✭✭✭If you like the idea of a global search so much, then why did you not use the one on the forum?
Instead you created thread number 781 about the same topic with the ever same content.
Also on topic: No. See the other 780 threats for reasons why.GDBY5 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭RatedChaotic wrote: »"I'm going to reference World of Warcraft ONLY to compare their buying/selling system to ESO.
Whoever knows about World of Warcraft, knows the Auction House system is indeed genius. It works and it works very well."
Actually it doenst work well.
What always happens is that one player always buys every cheap item on the local server auction house, then reposts them all at outrageous high prices. As a result you have a couple auction troll players that monopolize and control the market. Examples are low level greens that sell for hundreds of gold because one player buys them all. And they use add ons to do all the work for them so they control the entire servers AH prices.
I am very glad we dont have that problem here in ESO and it really is an open fair market.
Actually I disagree. Here's why.
With your own example.
If an item is generally priced at say 100g, and someone foolishly sells that item for say 20G, of course someone will scoop it up and sell it for 80. It's part of the market.
But here's the good thing about that. EVERYONE has a chance to do this. And when you have literally hundreds if not thousands of players buying/selling in the same radius, it becomes a quick pace buying and selling system.
If someone actually does sell that 20g item for 80g, it's still a bargain for the rest of us (Compared to 100g average).
I'd rather know I can sell an item for undercut prices than biting my nails HOPING for any kind of sale, any day.
I buy from one trader really low sell in another really high.
And that's great. But the fact is that it takes you longer to do this, than an actual world wide system would take.
Saving you time saves you money and lets you progress much smoother.
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Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭ntheogenic wrote: »If you like the idea of a global search so much, then why did you not use the one on the forum?
Instead you created thread number 781 about the same topic with the ever same content.
Also on topic: No. See the other 780 threats for reasons why.ntheogenic wrote: »If you like the idea of a global search so much, then why did you not use the one on the forum?
Instead you created thread number 781 about the same topic with the ever same content.
Also on topic: No. See the other 780 threats for reasons why.
So you're saying this is a common issue? Oh gee, maybe even more reason to make another one.
Your skills of discussing actual counters or debates, is lacking.
If you want a good debate, I'm all for it. But if not, step aside, and save the obvious for someone else.
Edited by Eshelmen on November 6, 2015 7:10AMPC and PS4 EP only player3 -
zZzleepyhead✭✭✭You fool. You nincompoop. It doesn't work like that, trust me.zZzleepyhead wrote: »I'm not sure if you've heard about this game called Diablo 3, but it had this so called global auction house you're talking of. It kind of ruined the integrity of the RPG. Go get the gear yourselves you lazy bones.
Having localized guild traders is not only 100x more bad ass, but it also maintains a much healthier in-game economy.
I've almost never run into the issue of not being able to find an item among guild traders. Either you're from console and the economy hasn't picked up yet which is 100% percent normal or you are insanely greedy and upset you have to spend time to find a good deal. when in reality how much are you buying on the AH? jeeeeeezuz. I had my moments, but [snip].. to actually post a thread about it? nah man.. thats lame af.
The auction house in this game is unique and caters well to the game. What about your [snip] signature, dude? ""MMOS are about diversity. Plain and simple." Are you honestly running into major issues with this guild trader system? I've been playing since day 1 and i love it. i don't understand where you're coming from. Your position has claims, but they make me lol no joke
you say its the biggest issue in the game, but i don't even find that joke funny.
where the [snip] is the small scale pvp zos?
BAN ME. WHERE'S IT AT BRO?!!1!?!
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_Brett on November 6, 2015 7:54AM4 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭
What Auction house? Are you kidding me?zZzleepyhead wrote: »You fool. You nincompoop. It doesn't work like that, trust me.zZzleepyhead wrote: »I'm not sure if you've heard about this game called Diablo 3, but it had this so called global auction house you're talking of. It kind of ruined the integrity of the RPG. Go get the gear yourselves you lazy bones.
Having localized guild traders is not only 100x more bad ass, but it also maintains a much healthier in-game economy.
I've almost never run into the issue of not being able to find an item among guild traders. Either you're from console and the economy hasn't picked up yet which is 100% percent normal or you are insanely greedy and upset you have to spend time to find a good deal. when in reality how much are you buying on the AH? jeeeeeezuz. I had my moments, but [snip].. to actually post a thread about it? nah man.. thats lame af.
The auction house in this game is unique and caters well to the game. What about your [snip] signature, dude? ""MMOS are about diversity. Plain and simple." Are you honestly running into major issues with this guild trader system? I've been playing since day 1 and i love it. i don't understand where you're coming from. Your position has claims, but they make me lol no joke
you say its the biggest issue in the game, but i don't even find that joke funny.
where the [snip] is the small scale pvp zos?
BAN ME. WHERE'S IT AT BRO?!!1!?!
You're speaking on behalf of yourself and noone else. I'm speaking on behalf of those who aren't making a good buck.
Not everyone likes PVP and not everyone likes PVE..
This is an MMO. Diversity for sure. But what works for you, may not work for me. The point is to make a system that works for everyone. At least try too.
I can see that you probably are one of those who have an outstanding guild trader location. And good for you for that.
Greed? Hardly. I give whatever I can , whenever I can. I'll give my time to help anyone out in this game.
As well, I currently am in a guild that holds a very strong trader position. (Davons Watch).
And I must say, gold is much easier to be made at this location than the rest of the locations I've been to.
This is why I made this thread. This is near monopolized.
Real world elements? Wtf? This is a game, not corporate america
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Edited by ZOS_Brett on November 6, 2015 7:59AMPC and PS4 EP only player2 -
AFrostWolf✭✭✭✭We NEED an Auction House. The Economy is healthy when people compete prices. You can't shop around without a pen and paper and hours of time to do it because you can't compare prices.
You also can't search for an item specifically by name. Another problem an AH will fix.
Literally the only people I see who even like the current system are in guilds who benefit from the current system.14 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭AFrostWolf wrote: »We NEED an Auction House. The Economy is healthy when people compete prices. You can't shop around without a pen and paper and hours of time to do it because you can't compare prices.
You also can't search for an item specifically by name. Another problem an AH will fix.
Literally the only people I see who even like the current system are in guilds who benefit from the current system.
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✭AFrostWolf wrote: »We NEED an Auction House. The Economy is healthy when people compete prices. You can't shop around without a pen and paper and hours of time to do it because you can't compare prices.
You also can't search for an item specifically by name. Another problem an AH will fix.
Literally the only people I see who even like the current system are in guilds who benefit from the current system.
I don't benefit from the current system Guild-wise (part of 2 social guilds that have guild stores that I have to sell everything dirt cheap just to get rid of it) but I like it, as I find it a welcome change of pace to find the different guild stores that sell certain items for the cheapest (i.e. Coldharbour seems to have really good crafting mats at their stores, Auridon for armor sets etc) and be able to find cheap items as a random bonus to the price I would pay if everything were standardized in a big global store.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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ntheogenic✭✭✭✭✭Your skills of discussing actual counters or debates, is lacking.
If you want a good debate, I'm all for it. But if not, step aside, and save the obvious for someone else.
I have made several elaborate posts regarding the effect of a global AH or any kind of global search.
You might have read them if you had checked the other threads.
There is absolutely nothing new in your original post, so there is absolutely no reason for me to counter it AGAIN.
EDIT: Maybe this is the response you were looking for:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2244424/#Comment_2244424Edited by ntheogenic on November 6, 2015 7:43AMGDBY0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭I really don't know how people can try to justify the brick-n-mortar aspect of the current guild trader system with a straight face.
This game's economy is in shambles. The only people who don't care are the ones who are profiting due to being in monopoly trade guilds, overpricing, and generally spending a lot of game time farming end game content while making false claims anyone can do the same.
Edited by k2blader on November 6, 2015 7:50AMDisabling the grass may improve performance.8 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭ntheogenic wrote: »Your skills of discussing actual counters or debates, is lacking.
If you want a good debate, I'm all for it. But if not, step aside, and save the obvious for someone else.
I have made several elaborate posts regarding the effect of a global AH or any kind of global search.
You might have read them if you had checked the other threads.
There is absolutely nothing new in your original post, so there is absolutely no reason for me to counter it AGAIN.
EDIT: Maybe this is the response you were looking for:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2244424/#Comment_2244424
What's hilarious, is you spend time taking the bully apparoach instead of passing on this thread.
Obviously you care.
And furthermore, I appreciate your response.
But you can not possibly state, that the Guild Traders are the best they can possibly be.
(Search items, interface, etc..)Edited by Eshelmen on November 6, 2015 7:55AMPC and PS4 EP only player1 -
AFrostWolf✭✭✭✭ntheogenic wrote: »Your skills of discussing actual counters or debates, is lacking.
If you want a good debate, I'm all for it. But if not, step aside, and save the obvious for someone else.
I have made several elaborate posts regarding the effect of a global AH or any kind of global search.
You might have read them if you had checked the other threads.
There is absolutely nothing new in your original post, so there is absolutely no reason for me to counter it AGAIN.
EDIT: Maybe this is the response you were looking for:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2244424/#Comment_2244424
Those comments don't seem likely to happen. No one has that much gold to buy every single item ever listed and relisted. All I see when trying to sell items now days is people buying them from me in zone to relist for even more. Merchanting and trying to buy low and sell high happens in all games. The fears you say aren't even remotely close to happening.
Not to mention if they want to take the risk to do that then it's fair game. But they shouldn't cry when people don't pay the asking price. The rare times that I have visited a guild trader and saw prices I do so to get an estimate of what the item is worth and don't pay the asking price.
Zone is a more effective trading system than guild traders.
Edited by AFrostWolf on November 6, 2015 7:58AM1 -
Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ive suggested Outlaw Den service, you can do global search but it cost you money. Ive no problems to spend 20 min or so with auction houses, but if you're impatience, go ahead and use global search.
Guild Auction Houses has many benefits too. It gives Guild Leader really good reason to run guilds, it gives people good reason to join guild, it helps with under-cutting, it promotes traveling and thus increase zone activity, its innovative and surely bring more people to the game, Guild Auction Houses has been the most debated feature in this game by faaar, I can only imagine how much people debate about it outside the game!
Btw, didnt we already saw the bad things of Global AH, with Diablo 3? Ever wondered why Blizz removed it.Edited by Sausage on November 6, 2015 8:26AM1 -
AFrostWolf✭✭✭✭Ive suggested Outlaw Den service, you can do global search but it cost you money. Ive no problems to spend 20 min or so with auction houses, but if you're impatience, go ahead and use global search.
Guild Auction Houses has many benefits too. It gives Guild Leader really good reason to run guilds, it gives people reason to join guild, it helps with under-cutting, it promotes traveling and thus increase zone activity, its innovative and surely bring more people to the game.
Btw, didnt we already saw the bad things of Global AH, with Diablo 3? Ever wondered why Blizz removed it.
Have to disagree with you.
It gives benefits to have a TRADE guild. Most normal guilds would benefit from an AH just as much and their whole concept isn't to trade but to actually go and do content.
It might help with undercutting but that's more price manipulation rather than anything else. You're told to never go below a certain price to bring in gold for the guild and punished if you break the rules.
Undercutting is never a long term problem. There are enough people who Merch in the game to combat it. Likewise is the fear of everything being bought up and overpriced. As long as the game can retain people's interest there will always be items generated by players for sale. Even the more rare items.
Yes, it promotes traveling but they aren't actively participating in the zone. They don't talk unless asking if anyone is selling X item. They run from vendor to vendor and aren't questing or farming or doing anything else to actually be participating in the zone. They might as well be standing in the bank looking at lists of items.
As far as Diablo 3 goes, They had a Real Money Auction House that ruined that game among terrible gameplay designs.
The Global AH on diablo 3 failed because of the type of game that Diablo 3 was. ESO is an MMO and a complete different type of game with a complete different playerbase.
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✭But you agree that GAH creates alot of debate and is basically free marketting? That alone should be the reason to keep it.Edited by Sausage on November 6, 2015 8:33AM0 -
NinjaApacHe✭✭✭✭OP, I'm with you mate 101%. It is not just WoW to have an auction house, but most game out there. I really do not understand this kind of method they propose. This is what happens in sandbox (well, there, it is really extreme, but you decided to play that kind of game), this is not even closer to a sandbox. It's a theme park so give us an auction house or a single place where to check all the guild stores at once. Give the opportunity to search by name: is it that difficult?CP 2120+Lord Yakhin- Magicka NB - High Elf - DC Jack Templar - Stamina Templar - Dark Elf - DC Darth Morbius - Stamina Sorcerer - Dark Elf - DC Bloody Merril - Stamina Vampire NB - Redguard - DC Master Kun - Stamina DK - Redguard - DC Exarch Kun - Magicka Vampire NB - High Elf - DC Ace Bollah - Stamina Warden - Dark Elf - DC Icy Jack - Stamina Warden - Nord - DC Prior Tedas - Stamina NB - High Elf - DC 10 traits Woodworker - lvl 50 Enchanter - lvl 50 Alchemist - 10 traits Clothier & Smither - 10 traits jewelcrafterProud member of the Band of Daggers - www.bandofdaggers.eu5 -
NinjaApacHe✭✭✭✭For sure everybody who likes this method runs a trade guild and makes money out of that
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✭NinjaApacHe wrote: »For sure everybody who likes this method runs a trade guild and makes money out of that
...except people like me who genuinely like the free marketI have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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ntheogenic✭✭✭✭✭
What's hilarious, is you spend time taking the bully apparoach instead of passing on this thread.
Obviously you care.
And furthermore, I appreciate your response.
But you can not possibly state, that the Guild Traders are the best they can possibly be.
(Search items, interface, etc..)
Well I do care about the topic and I am aware that the system is inconvenient.
And I totally agree that the current base UI is really, really bad.
Truth is I have made quite a lot of gold / resources by using the current system.
But I don't really rely on it anymore. However I do want to keep a window of opportunity open for everyone, specifically new players who could really make some gold quickly in the beginning.
My fear is that turning the trading system into anything that offers a global search option will close this window of opportunity and a handful of people will do nothing but hug the search button 24/7 (yes, there are individuals in this game with the resources to do that).
There is evidence of this in the current system - and a global search will amplify the problem.
I might change my mind if ZOS keeps going the Bind-On-Pickup route.
If all that is left to trade are materials and consumables (if they can be farmed), then an AH probably would not cause those problems. Supply/demand would work there.GDBY0 -
RatedChaotic✭✭✭✭Ive suggested Outlaw Den service, you can do global search but it cost you money. Ive no problems to spend 20 min or so with auction houses, but if you're impatience, go ahead and use global search.
Guild Auction Houses has many benefits too. It gives Guild Leader really good reason to run guilds, it gives people good reason to join guild, it helps with under-cutting, it promotes traveling and thus increase zone activity, its innovative and surely bring more people to the game, Guild Auction Houses has been the most debated feature in this game by faaar, I can only imagine how much people debate about it outside the game!
Btw, didnt we already saw the bad things of Global AH, with Diablo 3? Ever wondered why Blizz removed it.
Diablo 3 is filled with hacked, modded, duped items that was one reason.1 -
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✭"I'm going to reference World of Warcraft ONLY to compare their buying/selling system to ESO.
Whoever knows about World of Warcraft, knows the Auction House system is indeed genius. It works and it works very well."
Actually it doenst work well.
What always happens is that one player always buys every cheap item on the local server auction house, then reposts them all at outrageous high prices. As a result you have a couple auction troll players that monopolize and control the market. Examples are low level greens that sell for hundreds of gold because one player buys them all. And they use add ons to do all the work for them so they control the entire servers AH prices.
I am very glad we dont have that problem here in ESO and it really is an open fair market.
I'm sorry but you are actually talking complete nonsense, you put no thought into your I hate auction houses post.
Please tell me why someone cannot do this in the current system, if you can't explain why someone can't do this your reasoning is flawed.....
at least even if you are paying 100g to buy something you think is worth 20g, it's available to buy! You cannot say the same thing about the trading within ESO, due to the limited number of sales you can make and the knowledge you will only get a certain amount of business, you only sell items you know will sell. How many full sets have you found for levels 10 -25?
The current system excludes the majority of the community and makes low level sets actually pointless....5 -
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✭NinjaApacHe wrote: »For sure everybody who likes this method runs a trade guild and makes money out of that
...except people like me who genuinely like the free market
Please explain how this current system is a free market, I really want to know what you actually think. I like a lighthearted laugh now and again....2