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✭✭LoL, no, 363 CP of course isn't OP when it is DOCUMENTED THAT THE AVERAGE IS 92.
ZOS's number of 93 is absurd. Everyone at Vet level got 70 just to start months ago. A player with only 93 now is someone who basically plays once a week. Since this is a game of progression playing that little will yield very little advancement.
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✭LoL, no, 363 CP of course isn't OP when it is DOCUMENTED THAT THE AVERAGE IS 92.
ZOS's number of 93 is absurd. Everyone at Vet level got 70 just to start months ago. A player with only 93 now is someone who basically plays once a week. Since this is a game of progression playing that little will yield very little advancement.
I have 89 CP and play pretty much daily
Well I suppose that's possible...if you completely avoid combat and anything else that gives XP.
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AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LoL, no, 363 CP of course isn't OP when it is DOCUMENTED THAT THE AVERAGE IS 92.
ZOS's number of 93 is absurd. Everyone at Vet level got 70 just to start months ago. A player with only 93 now is someone who basically plays once a week. Since this is a game of progression playing that little will yield very little advancement.
I have 89 CP and play pretty much daily
Well I suppose that's possible...if you completely avoid combat and anything else that gives XP.
Fighting daedra in the IC sewers and doing pledges both give a fair amount of XP0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LoL, no, 363 CP of course isn't OP when it is DOCUMENTED THAT THE AVERAGE IS 92.
ZOS's number of 93 is absurd. Everyone at Vet level got 70 just to start months ago. A player with only 93 now is someone who basically plays once a week. Since this is a game of progression playing that little will yield very little advancement.
I have 89 CP and play pretty much daily
And when did you start ?
Because if you have a VR15 already you must have levelled it up and that alone would grant you more than 89 CP.
I wonder if we're even talking about the same game, because your figures make little sense really.
But it's not the point. The point is that you couldn't beat this boss while nearly all of us found it easy or standard difficulty. You must be doing something wrong somewhere, and that's what we're trying to help you to find out. But obviously you don't want us to (fine) and prefer to blame it on the design of the fight and the CPs of other players. And ragequit loudly. Your choice...
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✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »LoL, no, 363 CP of course isn't OP when it is DOCUMENTED THAT THE AVERAGE IS 92.
ZOS's number of 93 is absurd. Everyone at Vet level got 70 just to start months ago. A player with only 93 now is someone who basically plays once a week. Since this is a game of progression playing that little will yield very little advancement.
I have 89 CP and play pretty much daily
And when did you start ?
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✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
pretty much daily, although with periods of not playing for a few days because of holidays and that sort of thing
I've had periods where it has mostly been crafting and chatting, yeah... helping out lower-ranked guildmates in vet zones, helping out in Craglorn stuff...0 -
Reznique✭✭✭✭I've read it all,
Its an MMO, its not Skyrim- should be clear by now.
You are meant to work/compete with other people and that does imply at least adjusting your build to the current meta.
Nowdays, more than 90% of the Content in this game is exremely easy ( esp if not counting dungeons.) They keep lowering the bar so you can kill them, but for other people it is plain easy. That means other people loose interest because they can play
Elder Scrolls Online is turning into Skyrim Online- we just need a few more solo content zones, you would love it, wouldn't you?Edited by Reznique on October 23, 2015 12:33PM0 -
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✭✭I could only dream of 363 CP's. All I would say though is the rotation the Nord is using in the video isn't very difficult. In fact he's not even using a rotation, he's playing the boss. Using a ranged interrupt and Radiant for avoiding the AoE and keeping constant damage. Uses Sweep when he can for self heals/damage and crit buff.
So why not try it now AngryNord? Get rid of those stamina dumps you're using and save that for breaking free of the boss' CC. No one plays hybrids anymore since 1.6, ironically they changed their slogan to "play the way you want" when 1.6 dropped but it's not true.
Spec into Magicka with enchants so you can maintain DPS and hit the boss from range. Trust me, killing stuff is more fun than struggling with a dodgy build. You can still wield a meaty 2H sword, they actually provide more magic damage than a staff.PC EU0 -
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✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »I could only dream of 363 CP's. All I would say though is the rotation the Nord is using in the video isn't very difficult. In fact he's not even using a rotation, he's playing the boss. Using a ranged interrupt and Radiant for avoiding the AoE and keeping constant damage. Uses Sweep when he can for self heals/damage and crit buff.
So why not try it now AngryNord? Get rid of those stamina dumps you're using and save that for breaking free of the boss' CC. No one plays hybrids anymore since 1.6, ironically they changed their slogan to "play the way you want" when 1.6 dropped but it's not true.
Spec into Magicka with enchants so you can maintain DPS and hit the boss from range. Trust me, killing stuff is more fun than struggling with a dodgy build. You can still wield a meaty 2H sword, they actually provide more magic damage than a staff.
Stamina dumps? Only stamina dump would be Brawler (which I use mostly for the shield effect). 49 health and the rest in Magicka, I'd love enchantments but the grind for v15 glyphs is just too insane...0 -
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »I could only dream of 363 CP's. All I would say though is the rotation the Nord is using in the video isn't very difficult. In fact he's not even using a rotation, he's playing the boss. Using a ranged interrupt and Radiant for avoiding the AoE and keeping constant damage. Uses Sweep when he can for self heals/damage and crit buff.
So why not try it now AngryNord? Get rid of those stamina dumps you're using and save that for breaking free of the boss' CC. No one plays hybrids anymore since 1.6, ironically they changed their slogan to "play the way you want" when 1.6 dropped but it's not true.
Spec into Magicka with enchants so you can maintain DPS and hit the boss from range. Trust me, killing stuff is more fun than struggling with a dodgy build. You can still wield a meaty 2H sword, they actually provide more magic damage than a staff.
i Play hybid, and this pretty successful#makemagickadkgreataigan
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Aerieth✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Of course it is with 100s of CP. The average player doesn't have 100s of CP, he has 92 - documented elsewhere in the forum.
No amount of CP will make an "undoable" fight last less than one minute ;-)
@Maotti_Nor : Thanks for the nice video (always wonder how you manage with those horrible number clouds on the screen ;-) ). I remember that fight and while I struggled more than you, I wouldn't call it difficult at all.
How many CPs do you have ?
Don't worry, I've long since uninstalled PTS, and won't bother ever buying Orsinium, guess I'll stick to crafting for the future, and the occasional pvp or dungeon run with guildmates who don't demand that you wear THIS EXACT armour and use THESE EXACT skills to even be remotely considered worthy to play this game.
You can complete all quest content with pretty much what ever build you want. I played through the core game with a Nord Vampire Nightblade wearing full heavy armor and using a bow as my main damage dealer. Sword and board as my other set. This was before they nerfed the solo quest bosses in the game, buffed Nightblades to be actually viable and way before there was a Champion System. Have I got crapton of experience from previous MMOs? Yes. Did that help? Yes. Can you improve yourself without having that experience? Yes.
Instead of being a "AngryNord", try being more of a "TryingMyBestNord".
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✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »I could only dream of 363 CP's. All I would say though is the rotation the Nord is using in the video isn't very difficult. In fact he's not even using a rotation, he's playing the boss. Using a ranged interrupt and Radiant for avoiding the AoE and keeping constant damage. Uses Sweep when he can for self heals/damage and crit buff.
So why not try it now AngryNord? Get rid of those stamina dumps you're using and save that for breaking free of the boss' CC. No one plays hybrids anymore since 1.6, ironically they changed their slogan to "play the way you want" when 1.6 dropped but it's not true.
Spec into Magicka with enchants so you can maintain DPS and hit the boss from range. Trust me, killing stuff is more fun than struggling with a dodgy build. You can still wield a meaty 2H sword, they actually provide more magic damage than a staff.
Stamina dumps? Only stamina dump would be Brawler (which I use mostly for the shield effect). 49 health and the rest in Magicka, I'd love enchantments but the grind for v15 glyphs is just too insane...
Yeah stamina dumps,
Brawler, Templars don't need damage shields. Use Channeled Focus for armour buffs and to regen almost 500 Magicka a second! Or at least Blazing Shield if you must, you have the health to justify using it.
Biting Jabs, uses Stamina. Puncturing Sweep uses Magicka and has a powerful self heal.
You have no enchanters in your guild? Man.
My Templar at VR15 had 32k Magic, 19k Health, 15k Stamina and over 2100 spell power for reference. That's the difference enchants and optimisation makes.PC EU0 -
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✭✭Heavy armor is far from ideal for solo play, the damage and resource management is just bad.
Every class has decent light and medium armor build so I would suggest giving that a try.
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Stamina dumps? Only stamina dump would be Brawler (which I use mostly for the shield effect). 49 health and the rest in Magicka, I'd love enchantments but the grind for v15 glyphs is just too insane...
The grind for VR15 glyphs is just too insane ???????, When the Rekuta costs 700g AT MOST and the potency rune 80 TV stones, and the essence rune NOTHING ???
LOL !!!
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The whole thing about how many CP is kinda cloudy.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Did ZOS ever state that the number was the average of ALL platforms, pc/mac, Xbox, PS4?
If they include the average of the consoles then that number seems reasonable.
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✭✭✭✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »
The whole thing about how many CP is kinda cloudy.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Did ZOS ever state that the number was the average of ALL platforms, pc/mac, Xbox, PS4?
If they include the average of the consoles then that number seems reasonable.
ZOS statistics is 93 CP on average for PC/Mac only (slightly less on consoles).
But the 98 CP of AngryNord have nothing to do with this average, it's the number of CPs he says he has today.
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It's not cloudy at all:Pangnirtung wrote: »
The whole thing about how many CP is kinda cloudy.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Did ZOS ever state that the number was the average of ALL platforms, pc/mac, Xbox, PS4?
If they include the average of the consoles then that number seems reasonable.ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »I don't usually talk numbers, but here's some to chew on with regards to the number of champion points players have. The number of players that are going to be affected by the cap is very, very small.- Average CP on PC - 93
- Average CP on PS4 - 46
- Average CP on XB1 - 44
ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »The averages I posted were calculated from active accounts that have at least 1 VR character. (i.e. - can start earning CP) An account is only considered active if it has been logged into in the past 30 days and played the game for a period of time.Maotti_Nor wrote: »Well... This was an easy fight i think. Sorry AngryNord
CPs are not the be-all and end-all. A reminder that I managed to do this fight on a Level 35 PTS template, which was hard but not impossible. I do think that the archers are the real clincher though. For someone like @Maotti_Nor, they're an annoyance that can be ignored (did you even have any spawn in that fight?), but for me, they were the what caused me to die three times. Reducing the respawn frequency of the archers would help out immensely in my battle, and since Maotti_Nor ignored them anyway, it probably wouldn't make it too easy for those who already found it easy.Of course it is with 100s of CP. The average player doesn't have 100s of CP, he has 92 - documented elsewhere in the forum.
On an unrelated note, @Maotti_Nor what add-ons do you use? I particularly noticed (aside from the SCT) the different style of the boss's health bar, and the fact that Kurog's health bar was green when you looked at him.Edited by Enodoc on October 23, 2015 1:54PMUESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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AUI and FTC. I intended to disable many of the FTC elements on the PTS, but haven't been bothered with it yet.
And the boss bar is from AUI. I highly recommend it, you can adjust font and all. Also, the settings are accountbound so you only need to do it on one char.
And there's supposed to be adds on that fight? I didn't even notice them.
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✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »
The whole thing about how many CP is kinda cloudy.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Did ZOS ever state that the number was the average of ALL platforms, pc/mac, Xbox, PS4?
If they include the average of the consoles then that number seems reasonable.
92 was the average on PC, on consoles it was said to be in the 30s/40s0 -
Darlon✭✭✭✭✭This is not a hard fight, and in my opinion it shouldn't be dumbed down any further...3 -
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✭✭It's a good thing no-one's asking for it to be "dumbed down" (what ever that is) then, just to be made completeable even for those without 100s of CP (unless they put a caveat on the DLC that it should only be attempted by those with at least X 100 CP... Although then they need to stop making it available to low-level players).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@AngryNord :
Does it ever occur to you that you not managing this fight is not due to the design of the fight, but just to yourself ?
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Pangnirtung✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »The averages I posted were calculated from active accounts that have at least 1 VR character. (i.e. - can start earning CP) An account is only considered active if it has been logged into in the past 30 days and played the game for a period of time.
@Endodoc, thank you for clearing that up.
I am surprised that it is so low.
I am far from being a "good" player and find almost every creature on the PTS far easier than I had anticipated. Haven't played the boss in question but every dungeon that I have visited has been more of a walk thru than a fight.0 -
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✭Pangnirtung wrote: »ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »The averages I posted were calculated from active accounts that have at least 1 VR character. (i.e. - can start earning CP) An account is only considered active if it has been logged into in the past 30 days and played the game for a period of time.
@Endodoc, thank you for clearing that up.
I am surprised that it is so low.
I am far from being a "good" player and find almost every creature on the PTS far easier than I had anticipated. Haven't played the boss in question but every dungeon that I have visited has been more of a walk thru than a fight.
Like some of us say it all the time, CPs wont make you a better Player, if you have 2000Cps and cant manage to dogge you will still die.#makemagickadkgreataigan
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✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »potency rune 80 TV stones
On what server does the potency rune cost 80 TV stones? On the EU server, at least, it costs 800....0 -
Darlon✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »potency rune 80 TV stones
On what server does the potency rune cost 80 TV stones? On the EU server, at least, it costs 800....
That's the v16 one. You were talking about v15 earlier and that one does cost 80 stones.4 -
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Objection. I had three vet characters at the time of transition and didn't get 70 points - because none of them was at max level. People who joined when ESO went B2P didn't get 70 points for obvious reasons - and there are a lot of them. Playing only once or twice a week is also quite common. Since the end of summer holidays, I've had time to play mostly just on weekends too.LoL, no, 363 CP of course isn't OP when it is DOCUMENTED THAT THE AVERAGE IS 92.
ZOS's number of 93 is absurd. Everyone at Vet level got 70 just to start months ago. A player with only 93 now is someone who basically plays once a week. Since this is a game of progression playing that little will yield very little advancement.
I agree 93 is a too low if you think about the most active players you're likely to group with every day, though. But they aren't the whole playerbase.0 -
There are a few bugs with the version of Ice-Heart that’s on PTS right now causing him to be harder than intended. We’ve fixed those issues for the next PTS build, but for your reference:- His health and power have been reduced by 20% and 10%, respectively.
- He now has a cooldown on his Frost Fortress (damage shield) that prevents him from recasting it for 15-20s after he’s done with Savage Winds (the large, long AoE).
- He now spawns *more* Frozen Archers, but they do less damage and can be killed easier.
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