Where are the Holiday Events? Do you desire to see them in ESO?

Cadbury

NO... ESO is no place for these events!

robkrush wrote: »

You may not like that, but it is the honest to God truth. I understand there is a whole bunch of guys that think like you. I'm not saying my opinion matters more than yours. I truly respect your opinion but the final decision is in the hands of devs. I'm just saying if they want my money they have to put out stuff I want to buy. Seriously.

This is why we have the controversy over the glass motif now.

Not saying I agree or disagree. More of an observation, really. Just be careful what you wish for.

Personally, if they can pull off a holiday event without having to hoard a bunch of tokens to "buy" certain holiday items (coughcoughLOTROcoughcough), then I'd be cool with that.

Avalon

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

I find it hilarious that all these people are so caught up on 'lore-friendliness' in this game. Do a Google search on ESO and what lore mistakes have been found in the game. How about thinking about how many skeletal players we have running around, how are there 'dwarven ingots' when their aren't 'dwarves' in that manner, just Deemed, but 'dwarven' by that way is a style, not a material... Etc etc... This game isn't canon, it is lore-friendly-LITE...

So, if I see jack-o-lantern enemies running amok in Tamriel come Halloween, I will revel in it, and have a blast, because this is simply an Elder Scrolls 'themed' online game, not Elder Scrolls. If Bethesda had made a Halloween DLC for Sky rim, I'd probably have frowned and pretended it didn't exist. ESO? Bring it on.

robkrush

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Cadbury wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

You may not like that, but it is the honest to God truth. I understand there is a whole bunch of guys that think like you. I'm not saying my opinion matters more than yours. I truly respect your opinion but the final decision is in the hands of devs. I'm just saying if they want my money they have to put out stuff I want to buy. Seriously.

This is why we have the controversy over the glass motif now.

Not saying I agree or disagree. More of an observation, really. Just be careful what you wish for.

Personally, if they can pull off a holiday event without having to hoard a bunch of tokens to "buy" certain holiday items (coughcoughLOTROcoughcough), then I'd be cool with that.

What I wish for is a fun game.

Ghrimn

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

I also wish for a fun game, but to me the fun is in the Lore. That's the only reason I play, if this wasn't an Elder Scrolls I probably wouldn't even know this game existed.
I have nothing against Holidays... They could add this whole LIST (as long as it fits the timeline) for all I care. This Lore *** just doesn't want Halloween, Christmas, Easter or any other holiday that doesn't fit TES.

I know I can be a pain in the ass over the Lore, and even end up being a little rude, but it's only because I love this series so much. So try to understand that we Lore lovers have nothing against you and your silly holidays (at least I don't), we just don't want to see real life "poop" messing our "not so little" refuge.

Ghrimn of Elder Wood says: "It's 21 years of Lore you're messing with, you Milkdrinker!"

FuriousFridge

Completely nuetral... I don't care either way.

Avalon wrote: »

I find it hilarious that all these people are so caught up on 'lore-friendliness' in this game. Do a Google search on ESO and what lore mistakes have been found in the game. How about thinking about how many skeletal players we have running around, how are there 'dwarven ingots' when their aren't 'dwarves' in that manner, just Deemed, but 'dwarven' by that way is a style, not a material... Etc etc... This game isn't canon, it is lore-friendly-LITE...

So, if I see jack-o-lantern enemies running amok in Tamriel come Halloween, I will revel in it, and have a blast, because this is simply an Elder Scrolls 'themed' online game, not Elder Scrolls. If Bethesda had made a Halloween DLC for Sky rim, I'd probably have frowned and pretended it didn't exist. ESO? Bring it on.

This ^^ most of you lore people and immersion people will ignore this post knowing he is right, but this post right here is pure greatness at its finest.

Ghrimn

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

@FuriousFridge
Nah, we will ignore him because we know he's wrong.

Morimizo

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

One of my favorite MMO's Phantasy Star Universe, had seasonal events not only with different decorations for common areas, but new missions and rares that would drop during the event.

There are many lore friendly Elder Scrolls holidays, and I would love to see ZOS take advantage of this.

FuriousFridge

Completely nuetral... I don't care either way.

Ghrimn wrote: »

@FuriousFridge
Nah, we will ignore him because we know he's wrong.

Nope definitely right, sorry to break it t you pal.

Ghrimn

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Yeah, who am I kidding, I know nothing of Elder Scrolls Lore... /S

It's important to be able to tell game play apart from lore. 100+ Skeletons is obviously a game play feature, just like 100+ Nightmare Coursers/Frost Mare/ Soul-Shriven Horse. It's nothing more than an over-representation of what's supposed to be, just like the the terrain and the number of NPCs are an under-representation. While Windhelm contains around X NPCs in ESO, that doesn't mean that Windhelm's population is around Xin lore. It's the same principle, even though we see 100 people running around with the same stuff, that doesn't mean that there are 100 people running around with the same stuff.

Kireth Vanos says, “Common so-called ‘Dwarven Ore’ is, in fact, given that name because of its resemblance to the metal forged by the long-lost Dwemer. As a metallurgist I can tell you that while Dwarven Ore is a tough substance indeed, it’s not nearly as durable as actual metal harvested from actual Dwemer devices. That’s why forging in the Dwemer style requires actual Dwemer metal as material.”

Anything else?

Zorrashi

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

FuriousFridge wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

I find it hilarious that all these people are so caught up on 'lore-friendliness' in this game. Do a Google search on ESO and what lore mistakes have been found in the game. How about thinking about how many skeletal players we have running around, how are there 'dwarven ingots' when their aren't 'dwarves' in that manner, just Deemed, but 'dwarven' by that way is a style, not a material... Etc etc... This game isn't canon, it is lore-friendly-LITE...

So, if I see jack-o-lantern enemies running amok in Tamriel come Halloween, I will revel in it, and have a blast, because this is simply an Elder Scrolls 'themed' online game, not Elder Scrolls. If Bethesda had made a Halloween DLC for Sky rim, I'd probably have frowned and pretended it didn't exist. ESO? Bring it on.

This ^^ most of you lore people and immersion people will ignore this post knowing he is right, but this post right here is pure greatness at its finest.

I would quote myself from a previous discussion, but it would be quite long....
But to keep it and its editations short:
Suspension of disbelief (=/ realism)
Fun or TES players does often equate to lore-abidance for some.
Wheather it is canon or not is inconsequential, as many still identify it as a TES game (though curiously, there was this tweet. May mean nothing.)
One would imagine it would possible to reach a compromise for both parties (maybe) if there was a toggle. Or a better implementation of their items (like, a note/journal entry or placing them in the world somewhere.)

NobleNerd

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Avalon wrote: »

I find it hilarious that all these people are so caught up on 'lore-friendliness' in this game. Do a Google search on ESO and what lore mistakes have been found in the game. How about thinking about how many skeletal players we have running around, how are there 'dwarven ingots' when their aren't 'dwarves' in that manner, just Deemed, but 'dwarven' by that way is a style, not a material... Etc etc... This game isn't canon, it is lore-friendly-LITE...

So, if I see jack-o-lantern enemies running amok in Tamriel come Halloween, I will revel in it, and have a blast, because this is simply an Elder Scrolls 'themed' online game, not Elder Scrolls. If Bethesda had made a Halloween DLC for Sky rim, I'd probably have frowned and pretended it didn't exist. ESO? Bring it on.

To a certain extent I agree with you. When you step into the MMO genre then be prepared to offer what MMO players are use to having. As a staple MMOs have offered holiday events and thousands enjoy them every time. ZOS it is time you realized that what you are managing is an MMO and should be treated as such.

Avalon

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Ghrimn wrote: »

Kireth Vanos says, “Common so-called ‘Dwarven Ore’ is, in fact, given that name because of its resemblance to the metal forged by the long-lost Dwemer. As a metallurgist I can tell you that while Dwarven Ore is a tough substance indeed, it’s not nearly as durable as actual metal harvested from actual Dwemer devices. That’s why forging in the Dwemer style requires actual Dwemer metal as material.”

Anything else?

Yeah, you must be new to either the game, or blacksmithing... That's a change they made because so many people were complaining about it. Originally, and for some time, dwarven armor was a hideous GREEN color. We all know that Dwemer is brass/bronze/gold colors. Well, they eventually changed the output of crafting to be 'Dwemer' colors, and added in-game flavor text to explain it away... But, please look at the color of the ore, the color of the ingots, etc... Horrible, hideous, green. They didn't get all traces out. ZOS could care less about the details, as long as the game is 'seemingly' lore-friendly. It's a facade, though, nothing more or less. The fact they changed the armor colors, but not the ingots, or the ores/nodes, should be proof enough of just how much they care. It's an MMO, it isn't the 6th TES game, and if lore is so important to a person, odds are they already quit over so many other issues. This is 'Elder Scrolls Theme park' no different than LOTRO is 'Lord of the Rings Theme park' or 'SW:TOR' is just a 'Star Wars Theme park'...

NobleNerd wrote: »

To a certain extent I agree with you. When you step into the MMO genre then be prepared to offer what MMO players are use to having. As a staple MMOs have offered holiday events and thousands enjoy them every time. ZOS it is time you realized that what you are managing is an MMO and should be treated as such.

Exactly.

MornaBaine

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Gidorick wrote: »

There aren't many things that would get me to outright quit ESO... real world holiday events in ESO is one of those things.

This...

... is cutting it pretty darn close.

No one loves Halloween more than me. And even *I* was totally horrified to see these. DON'T DO IT ZOS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marrtha

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

I am sure there are corresponding holidays in lore and it would be amazing to get to experience them on Tamriel.

FuzzyDuck79

NO... ESO is no place for these events!

Yes please because I love lag and zerging, love having more bugs in game and taking up more of the devs time, so I can have party hats, Easter bunny costumes, silly weapons and other useless/pointless items that will make the market unstable.

Avalon

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Also, awesome to see so much 'NO' because using Earth holidays would destroy the immersion...

1st of Morningstar (the first month of the calendar) - New Life Festival
'Today the people of all provinces are having the New Life Festival in celebration of a new year.'

16th of Sun's Dawn (2nd month) - Heart's Day
'It seems that in every house, the Legend of the Lovers is being sung for the younger generation.'

28th of Rain's Hand (April) - Jester's Day
'Be warned that today is Jester's Day in the city of all provinces, and pranks are being set up from one end of town to the other.'

13th of Frost fall (October) - Witch's Festival
'Demonologists, conjurors, lamias, warlocks, and thaumaturgists meet in the wilderness outside the city, and the creatures created or summoned there may plague Tamriel for eons. Most wise men choose not to wander this night.'

25th of Evening Star (December) - Saturalia
'Originally a holiday for a long forgotten god of debauchery, it has become a time of gift giving, parties, and parading.'

Just a few of the most important Tamrielic holidays from TES lore. For those that say it has no place, or that if they see Earth holidays co-opted into Tamriel... Check out TES lore before you go saying all of that.

Gidorick

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

FuriousFridge wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

@FuriousFridge
Nah, we will ignore him because we know he's wrong.

Nope definitely right, sorry to break it t you pal.

Nope... so very wrong. You both are wrong. ESO is an Elder Scrolls game, NOT an Elder Scrolls "themed" MMO.

Lightninvash

Completely nuetral... I don't care either way.

Ghrimn wrote: »

@robkrush

Guys seriously, Holiday events are so cool and so fun.

We know, we just don't want it to be Lore-Breaking, which is what will happen if they introduce Halloween, and all the other "Unholidays" you mentioned.


@Lightninvash
Wrong, it's game series spanning 21 years, 12 games, 2 novels, and numerous other things. It has a very wide fanbase who truly care about it and its Lore.

and its still just a game. its not life. lore does not = and is not > than life. life>lore in all ways all the time every day @Ghrimn

Avalon

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Lightninvash wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

@robkrush

Guys seriously, Holiday events are so cool and so fun.

We know, we just don't want it to be Lore-Breaking, which is what will happen if they introduce Halloween, and all the other "Unholidays" you mentioned.


@Lightninvash
Wrong, it's game series spanning 21 years, 12 games, 2 novels, and numerous other things. It has a very wide fanbase who truly care about it and its Lore.

and its still just a game. its not life. lore does not = and is not > than life. life>lore in all ways all the time every day @Ghrimn

And more bad news: to ZOS, money > anything/everything else. If they see more profit from staying more lore-friendly, then they do that. If they see more profit from shying away from lore and entertaining the vast majority of players who probably only have played Skyrim lol... Then, guess where they will probably will lean? Hmmm...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

NO... ESO is no place for these events!

Jack-O-Lanterns, Turkeys and Santa anything will be so wrong and will only to 700 crowns

robkrush

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Lightninvash wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

@robkrush

Guys seriously, Holiday events are so cool and so fun.

We know, we just don't want it to be Lore-Breaking, which is what will happen if they introduce Halloween, and all the other "Unholidays" you mentioned.


@Lightninvash
Wrong, it's game series spanning 21 years, 12 games, 2 novels, and numerous other things. It has a very wide fanbase who truly care about it and its Lore.

and its still just a game. its not life. lore does not = and is not > than life. life>lore in all ways all the time every day @Ghrimn

It can be done classy, I don't personally need it classy, but it has to be real life holidays. Check this Halloween pic out. Wouldn't that be cool to have jackolaterns around Tamrial, a special Halloween quest, and some fun costumes?

NobleNerd

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

Yes please because I love lag and zerging, love having more bugs in game and taking up more of the devs time, so I can have party hats, Easter bunny costumes, silly weapons and other useless/pointless items that will make the market unstable.

We are talking about a few new items/costumes and a quest line or 2, nothing game breaking that would cause any lag or in game bugs.

For the most part I believe people are talking about lore oriented holidays. I personally don't care to see bunny and Santa hats, but rather see the lore and story holidays come to life and be honored in the game with events.

Avalon

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

I'll stress again: read official lore on holidays in Tamriel... They almost match perfectly to Earth holidays, so stop saying it's not lore-friendly!

NobleNerd

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Avalon wrote: »

Also, awesome to see so much 'NO' because using Earth holidays would destroy the immersion...

1st of Morningstar (the first month of the calendar) - New Life Festival
'Today the people of all provinces are having the New Life Festival in celebration of a new year.'

16th of Sun's Dawn (2nd month) - Heart's Day
'It seems that in every house, the Legend of the Lovers is being sung for the younger generation.'

28th of Rain's Hand (April) - Jester's Day
'Be warned that today is Jester's Day in the city of all provinces, and pranks are being set up from one end of town to the other.'

13th of Frost fall (October) - Witch's Festival
'Demonologists, conjurors, lamias, warlocks, and thaumaturgists meet in the wilderness outside the city, and the creatures created or summoned there may plague Tamriel for eons. Most wise men choose not to wander this night.'

25th of Evening Star (December) - Saturalia
'Originally a holiday for a long forgotten god of debauchery, it has become a time of gift giving, parties, and parading.'

Just a few of the most important Tamrielic holidays from TES lore. For those that say it has no place, or that if they see Earth holidays co-opted into Tamriel... Check out TES lore before you go saying all of that.

This right here is good information to draw from. Many of the lore holidays run parallel with holidays we celebrate anyways. You just put the "TES" spin on them and create a nice event in game that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

robkrush

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

Avalon wrote: »

Also, awesome to see so much 'NO' because using Earth holidays would destroy the immersion...

1st of Morningstar (the first month of the calendar) - New Life Festival
'Today the people of all provinces are having the New Life Festival in celebration of a new year.'

16th of Sun's Dawn (2nd month) - Heart's Day
'It seems that in every house, the Legend of the Lovers is being sung for the younger generation.'

28th of Rain's Hand (April) - Jester's Day
'Be warned that today is Jester's Day in the city of all provinces, and pranks are being set up from one end of town to the other.'

13th of Frost fall (October) - Witch's Festival
'Demonologists, conjurors, lamias, warlocks, and thaumaturgists meet in the wilderness outside the city, and the creatures created or summoned there may plague Tamriel for eons. Most wise men choose not to wander this night.'

25th of Evening Star (December) - Saturalia
'Originally a holiday for a long forgotten god of debauchery, it has become a time of gift giving, parties, and parading.'

Just a few of the most important Tamrielic holidays from TES lore. For those that say it has no place, or that if they see Earth holidays co-opted into Tamriel... Check out TES lore before you go saying all of that.

Yep. If you look over the list of holidays celebrated across Tameriel, Halloween could be incorporated rather easily. According to lore, Frost Fall coincides with the month of October with three events transpire across the land.

There’s the Witches Festival on Frost Fall 13th which finds those who practice sorcery clashing with the more religious residents. Those who practice the arcane arts meet outside the city limits and either create or summon creatures. Over in Daggerfall, the citizens celebrate Summoning Day for Mephala. Imagine the chaos players could create with such an event! Creatures wandering all over the place, players being asked to choose which side to fight for: the religious group or the arcane wielders. Event quests and subsequent rewards could be created for each side.

Frost Fall 23rd is known as Broken Diamonds day to commemorate Empress Kintyra Septim II who died in the dungeons of Glenpoint thanks to orders from Uriel III. While this is considered a day of “silent prayer,” surely some sort of foul deed could potentially muck things up and players would be tasked to stop such disrespect.

Finally, there’s Frost Fall 30th which is the Emperor’s Birthday, and according to lore, the most popular holiday of the year. Traveling carnivals popped up all over the place, and “aristocrats” participated in an annual Goblin Chase on horseback. In 4E 171, the Great War started when Emperor Titus Mede II refused a Thalmor ultimatum, so the festival has pretty much fallen to neglect. It could be resurrected though, easily, and this holiday sounds more like something which could eventually be implemented for Halloween.

NobleNerd

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

robkrush wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

@robkrush

Guys seriously, Holiday events are so cool and so fun.

We know, we just don't want it to be Lore-Breaking, which is what will happen if they introduce Halloween, and all the other "Unholidays" you mentioned.


@Lightninvash
Wrong, it's game series spanning 21 years, 12 games, 2 novels, and numerous other things. It has a very wide fanbase who truly care about it and its Lore.

and its still just a game. its not life. lore does not = and is not > than life. life>lore in all ways all the time every day @Ghrimn

It can be done classy, I don't personally need it classy, but it has to be real life holidays. Check this Halloween pic out. Wouldn't that be cool to have jackolaterns around Tamrial, a special Halloween quest, and some fun costumes?

We already have devs putting pumpkins on skeleton's heads in the game already (nice little Easter Egg in the sewers).

robkrush

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

NobleNerd wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Ghrimn wrote: »

@robkrush

Guys seriously, Holiday events are so cool and so fun.

We know, we just don't want it to be Lore-Breaking, which is what will happen if they introduce Halloween, and all the other "Unholidays" you mentioned.


@Lightninvash
Wrong, it's game series spanning 21 years, 12 games, 2 novels, and numerous other things. It has a very wide fanbase who truly care about it and its Lore.

and its still just a game. its not life. lore does not = and is not > than life. life>lore in all ways all the time every day @Ghrimn

It can be done classy, I don't personally need it classy, but it has to be real life holidays. Check this Halloween pic out. Wouldn't that be cool to have jackolaterns around Tamrial, a special Halloween quest, and some fun costumes?

We already have devs putting pumpkins on skeleton's heads in the game already (nice little Easter Egg in the sewers).

I would think this kind of stuff would be fun for the devs to work on. Something just for the hell of it.

.

FuzzyDuck79

NO... ESO is no place for these events!

NobleNerd wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

Yes please because I love lag and zerging, love having more bugs in game and taking up more of the devs time, so I can have party hats, Easter bunny costumes, silly weapons and other useless/pointless items that will make the market unstable.

We are talking about a few new items/costumes and a quest line or 2, nothing game breaking that would cause any lag or in game bugs.

For the most part I believe people are talking about lore oriented holidays. I personally don't care to see bunny and Santa hats, but rather see the lore and story holidays come to life and be honored in the game with events.

Have you been to a holiday event in an mmo? Everybody is there, all in one place, which causes a little thing called lag. It sometimes happens due to too much going on in game, like people that just wanna spam skills for no reason. It happens. And with any new idea implemented in this game there's bugs. Bugs which the devs would have to work out, instead of sorting out real problems in game. Oh and people got new costumes/quests/items etc in IC... look how that's working out.

NobleNerd

Yes... I love Holiday events. Make them lore friendly.

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

NobleNerd wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

Yes please because I love lag and zerging, love having more bugs in game and taking up more of the devs time, so I can have party hats, Easter bunny costumes, silly weapons and other useless/pointless items that will make the market unstable.

We are talking about a few new items/costumes and a quest line or 2, nothing game breaking that would cause any lag or in game bugs.

For the most part I believe people are talking about lore oriented holidays. I personally don't care to see bunny and Santa hats, but rather see the lore and story holidays come to life and be honored in the game with events.

Have you been to a holiday event in an mmo? Everybody is there, all in one place, which causes a little thing called lag. It sometimes happens due to too much going on in game, like people that just wanna spam skills for no reason. It happens. And with any new idea implemented in this game there's bugs. Bugs which the devs would have to work out, instead of sorting out real problems in game. Oh and people got new costumes/quests/items etc in IC... look how that's working out.

It isn't as bad as you make it out to be and if the event is planned right the amount of people in one area doesn't have to happen. As far as programing for the event there isn't much that would end up causing bug issues.

NewBlacksmurf

Completely nuetral... I don't care either way.

Seems there will now be monthly crown store items ...it's a step