Game Timeline and Story

Vasilis1st

Hello guys.
In my honest opinion, everything in the game is either excellent or acceptable. I just don't like its timeline and setting. It just feels lore breaking, ordinary and unsatisfactory. For instance Orsimers ally with Bretons and Redguards who almost wiped them out just before the ESOTU's timeline. They could ally with Aldmeri Dominion which is their Mer brethren... there are many illogical and lore breaking things just like that one in ESOTU. But my suggestion isn't about fixing and filling them.I suggest a new setting and timeline which starts after the events of Skyrim... It's about a new Akaviri invasion. It's the strongest invasion ever. Tsaesci (Tsaescies are Nagas you know) and their Akaviri human servants (who look like far eastern people) with the help of the Dragons and some of the Daedric Princes launch biggest invasion attempt. Let's say the Dragons encourages and offers their help to Tsaesci to invade Tamriel, that draws Molag Bal and some of the other Daedric Princes' attention into that movement, they supports them. Then invasion begins... But not only eastern parts of Tamriel is in danger. Wiith the help of the Dragons and Daedric Princes, Akaviri horde can land any place they want. That led every race in Tamriel stand together against the new Akaviri invasion. There will be Akaviri landing zones (similar to Oblivion gates) instead of those anchor things. There already many Akaviri strongholds (they raid to the settlements from those strongholds) and we should destroy those, there are some bosses including Dragons in those strongholds.

Believe me that story is production of 5 minute thinking. C'mon guys you can do better than this.
Regards

nimander99

All hail Wall of Text!

Rosveen

Can we please stop forcing dragons into every storyline no matter how out of place they'd be? Thank you.

Vasilis1st

Rosveen wrote: »

Can we please stop forcing dragons into every storyline no matter how out of place they'd be? Thank you.

But they won't be common, they act as bosses and carry Akaviri army into Tamriel, our main enemies are Tsaesci, Akaviri humans and Daedric creatures. On the other hand, Devs put Dragons into the game, at first I didn't like Dragon concept of Skyrim, but after awhile I liked it.

JD2013

The dragons are either dead or in hiding.

Your story is more lore breaking than any part of the current story.

Edit;

Just noticed you wanted it set after Skyrim. Again - no. The reason that it was set in the second era is that the lore is very vague around this era. There was a huge blank slate for them to create a new story as it takes place hundreds and hundreds of years before the start of the main series.

The only way we will have a game set after Skyrim is the main ES series. (the numbered titles)

And no more dragons. Sounds like you want Skyrim 2.

Vasilis1st

Ah forgot to mention Akavir is the land of Dragons.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

The OP suggests his story would start AFTER the events of Skyrim, so a few dragons hanging around as bosses or something, wouldn't be lore breaking. Although it would impact the direction taken by TES6.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Last time ... 2nd ear THERE ARE NO DRAGONS !

GuyNamedSean

Your Orc example isn't lore breaking. If you go play the Daggerfall story the Orcs are only in the Convenang because Emeric needed their forces and promised them Orsinium. The Orcs don't trust the Bretons, the Bretons don't trust the Orcs. They also could never join the Dominion, and neither could the Dunmer, because they are races "corrupted" by Daedra worship from the Altmeri point of view. If you thought the Altmer were racist toward the Bosmer and Khajiit, you should see the things they say about Orcs.

ArrerBoy

Several problems

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Hello guys.
In my honest opinion, everything in the game is either excellent or acceptable. I just don't like its timeline and setting. It just feels lore breaking, ordinary and unsatisfactory.

That's more a personal opinion. There are people that wanted to play the Interregnum, some even wanting to play the Alessian rebellion, and a whole lot wanting to play through Talos's campaign. I can understand you don't like it, but it's a bit...late to be complaining about it.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

For instance Orsimers ally with Bretons and Redguards who almost wiped them out just before the ESOTU's timeline. They could ally with Aldmeri Dominion which is their Mer brethren...

But that would be more lore breaking. Dunmer and Altmer enslave anyone they percieve as lower than them(everybody) as proven by the slaves of House Dres, the goblin slaves in Summerset, and the Single Player game book Light Armor Forging, which explained that the secrets to Altmer armor forging got leaked when a Dunmer slave revealed his master's secrets. Neither would see the Orsimer as equals, or even allies. Just another problem on the level of goblins. Bosmer even less so as they deal with the Wood Orcs on a regular basis, so the whole alliance wouldn't work.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

I suggest a new setting and timeline which starts after the events of Skyrim... It's about a new Akaviri invasion. It's the strongest invasion ever.

Save that for the TES VI, it'd be far more interesting.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Tsaesci (Tsaescies are Nagas you know) and their Akaviri human servants (who look like far eastern people)

Uh no. The Tsaesci are vampires, not nagas. There are no humans on Akavir, as they were consumed by the Tsaesci. It'd be more accurate to just say the Tsaesci vampire strain transforms humans into snake like...things. You might point to the Akavir skeletons in Oblivion but they could just as easily be Tamrielic humans pressed into Tsaesci service.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

with the help of the Dragons and some of the Daedric Princes launch biggest invasion attempt.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Let's say the Dragons encourages and offers their help to Tsaesci to invade Tamriel, that draws Molag Bal and some of the other Daedric Princes' attention into that movement, they supports them.

...why? Dragons are Aedric. Why would they associate with Daedra? Which Princes would even be able to invade when the Covenant of Akatosh makes that more or less impossible? Why would Dragons associate with the very people that chased them out of Akavir?

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Then invasion begins... But not on

NO NO NO

Look I get you don't like this, but what you're suggesting sounds like a story for TES VI. I thought this was supposed to make a better story for ESO.

Vasilis1st

ArrerBoy wrote: »

Several problems

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Hello guys.
In my honest opinion, everything in the game is either excellent or acceptable. I just don't like its timeline and setting. It just feels lore breaking, ordinary and unsatisfactory.

That's more a personal opinion. There are people that wanted to play the Interregnum, some even wanting to play the Alessian rebellion, and a whole lot wanting to play through Talos's campaign. I can understand you don't like it, but it's a bit...late to be complaining about it.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

For instance Orsimers ally with Bretons and Redguards who almost wiped them out just before the ESOTU's timeline. They could ally with Aldmeri Dominion which is their Mer brethren...

But that would be more lore breaking. Dunmer and Altmer enslave anyone they percieve as lower than them(everybody) as proven by the slaves of House Dres, the goblin slaves in Summerset, and the Single Player game book Light Armor Forging, which explained that the secrets to Altmer armor forging got leaked when a Dunmer slave revealed his master's secrets. Neither would see the Orsimer as equals, or even allies. Just another problem on the level of goblins. Bosmer even less so as they deal with the Wood Orcs on a regular basis, so the whole alliance wouldn't work.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

I suggest a new setting and timeline which starts after the events of Skyrim... It's about a new Akaviri invasion. It's the strongest invasion ever.

Save that for the TES VI, it'd be far more interesting.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Tsaesci (Tsaescies are Nagas you know) and their Akaviri human servants (who look like far eastern people)

Uh no. The Tsaesci are vampires, not nagas. There are no humans on Akavir, as they were consumed by the Tsaesci. It'd be more accurate to just say the Tsaesci vampire strain transforms humans into snake like...things. You might point to the Akavir skeletons in Oblivion but they could just as easily be Tamrielic humans pressed into Tsaesci service.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

with the help of the Dragons and some of the Daedric Princes launch biggest invasion attempt.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Let's say the Dragons encourages and offers their help to Tsaesci to invade Tamriel, that draws Molag Bal and some of the other Daedric Princes' attention into that movement, they supports them.

...why? Dragons are Aedric. Why would they associate with Daedra? Which Princes would even be able to invade when the Covenant of Akatosh makes that more or less impossible? Why would Dragons associate with the very people that chased them out of Akavir?

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Then invasion begins... But not on

NO NO NO

Look I get you don't like this, but what you're suggesting sounds like a story for TES VI. I thought this was supposed to make a better story for ESO.

Eh, mate I don't think you could respond like this if devs have said same things like me. But anyway...

And, there are Akaviri humans! Nirn was torn apart while Ehlnofeys were fighting. The humans that stayed in Tamriel were Kothringi, the ones in Atmora were Atmoran (Nord), the ones in Yokuda were Yokudan (Redguard), the ones in Akavir were Akaviri. In my perspective (I have read almost evey book, diary etc. in the games about them), Tsaescies are very powerful snake people, and Akaviri peole are far eastern looking people (their armors, weapons make me feel so). And NO Tsaescies didn't consumed all Akaviri people, they feed themselves with goblins. We consume cows,sheeps etc. but we don't slay all of them and make them extinct. Tsaescies enslaved their race instead of slaying and eating all of them.


Some information about them:

*"The Potentate Versidue-Shaie and his son Savirien-Chorak slithered into the room"
-2920, vol 12 - Evening Star

*"When Savirien-Chorak was rearing back to begin another series of blinding attacks, the Prince kicked at his tail, sending him falling back momentarily"
-2920, vol 01 - Morning Star

*"How that Akaviri could slither across the grass without making a sound was a mystery to him."
-2920, vol 03 - First Seed

*"Savirien-Chorak slithered to the wall"
-2920, vol 06 - Mid Year

*“I am a snake, your Imperial Majesty, inside and out.
-2920, vol 12 - Evening Star

*In Skyrim, it's said that Tsaescies made Sky haven temple in Skyrim, when you look at the carvings, you may see them kneeling before Alduin. But they are human shaped,, yeah they are Akaviri servants of Tsaesci.

*"His leg was hurt badly, but I managed to help heal it with an ampoule of medicine I carried with me."
"I think the boulder shattered my spine. I can no longer feel my legs." <<<These are Akaviri humans>>>

Akaviri Diary Translation (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Akaviri_Diary_Translation)

*In Oblivion, a character representing the ghost of an Akaviri commander Mishaxhi made an appearance in Pale Pass. His physical appearance, however, did not match that of a Tsaesci at all.

*There is an Akaviri fort in Pale Pass, there you can see remains of Akaviri soldiers, but these are identical with humans.

TheBastion

I am rather surprised that you all neglected to mention one phenomenon that has occurred and may still be occurring in The Elder Scrolls games that makes the 2nd Era being a 'blank slate' and 'vague' as the perfect staging ground for The Elder Scrolls Online's setting:

Dragonbreak.

Thank you very much.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Where's PvP in your story ?

Vasilis1st

TheBastion wrote: »

I am rather surprised that you all neglected to mention one phenomenon that has occurred and may still be occurring in The Elder Scrolls games that makes the 2nd Era being a 'blank slate' and 'vague' as the perfect staging ground for The Elder Scrolls Online's setting:

Dragonbreak.

Thank you very much.

Mate, they could make a new mini game about that era (maybe for smartphones), I just don't like to feel useless in the game. Lorewise, no matter what we did, everything will be ended up as we know. I just expect to see more epic story for an online TES game. That timeline is a waste for such a huge mmo. Writing an amazing story isn't hard thing.

For instance, they can make a new single player game which take place in Akavir that we play as a saint/prophet/savior (just like St. Alessia) sent by Kynareth or another Aedra from Tamriel to save Akaviri people from Tsaesci... On the other hand, I don't like to see as if The Elder Scrolls universe is consist of Tamriel and important ones live there.

Vasilis1st

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Where's PvP in your story ?

For Pvp, there is no need to factions.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Vasilis1st wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Where's PvP in your story ?

For Pvp, there is no need to factions.

Then what story would you build the PvP aspect of the game around ?
Would you just throw an arena and a battlefield somewhere and leave it to the players to imagine why they are slaughtering each other ?


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anitajoneb17_ESO

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Writing an amazing story isn't hard thing.

ROFLMAO !!
Why don't you start writing a great story yourself and make a living ?

I wouldn't say that ESO's storyline is "amazing" (some parts are), but yours certainly isn't and lacks the most basic beginning of a plot.

Vasilis1st

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vasilis1st wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Where's PvP in your story ?

For Pvp, there is no need to factions.

Then what story would you build the PvP aspect of the game around ?
Would you just throw an arena and a battlefield somewhere and leave it to the players to imagine why they are slaughtering each other ?


.

Well guess you like to have factions, then current factions stay as they are (they formed against Akaviri invaders and to capture ruby throne again), there is no emperor (killed by Akaviri to start civil strife and unrest to conquer the land easier), the current factions struggle each other and fighting againsts the invaders at the same time. As you can see it's not hard to settle things.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Writing an amazing story isn't hard thing.

ROFLMAO !!
Why don't you start writing a great story yourself and make a living ?

I wouldn't say that ESO's storyline is "amazing" (some parts are), but yours certainly isn't and lacks the most basic beginning of a plot.

Lol as can be seen no one gives a damn to my stories
On the other hand I was trying to show some of the basic aspects of the storyline. It's not a complete plot.

Kuroinu

"Where were you when the Dragon broke?"

"I was up a mountain, watching one break-dance in the sky."

anitajoneb17_ESO

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Well guess you like to have factions, then current factions stay as they are (they formed against Akaviri invaders and to capture ruby throne again), there is no emperor (killed by Akaviri to start civil strife and unrest to conquer the land easier), the current factions struggle each other and fighting againsts the invaders at the same time. As you can see it's not hard to settle things.

And you think that would be better than the ruby throne and the amulet of kings, which has much more depth and lies at the heart of the entire Elder Scrolls universe ? I'm sorry but your "idea" is not even an "idea"...

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Lol as can be seen no one gives a damn to my stories
On the other hand I was trying to show some of the basic aspects of the storyline. It's not a complete plot.

Then don't submit it here... if you want people to "test" a cake you've baked, serve them a baked cake, not raw flour.

Vasilis1st

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Well guess you like to have factions, then current factions stay as they are (they formed against Akaviri invaders and to capture ruby throne again), there is no emperor (killed by Akaviri to start civil strife and unrest to conquer the land easier), the current factions struggle each other and fighting againsts the invaders at the same time. As you can see it's not hard to settle things.

And you think that would be better than the ruby throne and the amulet of kings, which has much more depth and lies at the heart of the entire Elder Scrolls universe ? I'm sorry but your "idea" is not even an "idea"...

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Lol as can be seen no one gives a damn to my stories
On the other hand I was trying to show some of the basic aspects of the storyline. It's not a complete plot.

Then don't submit it here... if you want people to "test" a cake you've baked, serve them a baked cake, not raw flour.

I don't know if you read my first post, my suggestion isn't much different than ESOTU's current setting. Replacement of somethings, adding a bit removing a bit, that's all.. But I believe game will be far enjoyable and interesting.

First of all, I am just a fan and made a suggestion.And let me explain it with your style. I decided to make a new cake with new ingredients. But I wanted to take others' opinions before baking not to waste the resources.

Kuroinu

I understand you mean well OP, but what you are suggesting is that they essentially scrap this game and start over. And I'm laughing as I type this now because I can hear all the dissatisfied players yelling "Omg yeah, do it!".

If you want to have any chance of enhancing this game's world, you'll have to work with what they have provided us and offer suggestions as to how things could be done within that.

Vasilis1st

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

I understand you mean well OP, but what you are suggesting is that they essentially scrap this game and start over. And I'm laughing as I type this now because I can hear all the dissatisfied players yelling "Omg yeah, do it!".

If you want to have any chance of enhancing this game's world, you'll have to work with what they have provided us and offer suggestions as to how things could be done within that.

Thank you mate, I'd be so happy if the others were optimistic and did some constructive criticism like yours.

ArrerBoy

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

I understand you mean well OP, but what you are suggesting is that they essentially scrap this game and start over. And I'm laughing as I type this now because I can hear all the dissatisfied players yelling "Omg yeah, do it!".

If you want to have any chance of enhancing this game's world, you'll have to work with what they have provided us and offer suggestions as to how things could be done within that.

This. Rather than rewriting it from scratch, salvage the existing story. Just as Mehrunes Dagon was driven to destroy Tamriel, despite wanting to save it, Molag Bal could do the same. Make something up about the Dragon Break, and Molag Bal attempting to minimize the damage of it by removing individuals and factions that were never supposed to exist.

The Imperial City was as step in the right direction. But to improve it, enhance the story better. It doesn't need to be some invasion of some Akaviri army. Rather just make it some power play between the Princes.

Vasilis1st wrote: »

And, there are Akaviri humans! Nirn was torn apart while Ehlnofeys were fighting. The humans that stayed in Tamriel were Kothringi, the ones in Atmora were Atmoran (Nord), the ones in Yokuda were Yokudan (Redguard), the ones in Akavir were Akaviri. In my perspective (I have read almost evey book, diary etc. in the games about them), Tsaescies are very powerful snake people, and Akaviri peole are far eastern looking people (their armors, weapons make me feel so). And NO Tsaescies didn't consumed all Akaviri people, they feed themselves with goblins. We consume cows,sheeps etc. but we don't slay all of them and make them extinct. Tsaescies enslaved their race instead of slaying and eating all of them.

"Akavir is the kingdom of the beasts. No Men or Mer live in Akavir, though Men once did. These Men, however, were eaten long ago by the vampiric Serpent Folk of Tsaesci. Had they not been eaten, these Men would have eventually migrated to Tamriel."
-Mysterious Akavir

The humans you saw could easily be humans from Tamriel pressed into service. The Nibenese after all still retain much of Akavir's culture even after they were gone. Or possibly Nordic soldiers serving the Tsaesci. They did reign in Skyrim until Reman showed up.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Thank you mate, I'd be so happy if the others were optimistic and did some constructive criticism like yours.

If you want constructive criticism here's one piece of advice : in order to attract constructive criticism, step up with some humility and not like "See ? it takes me 5 minutes to do better than ZOS. Of course it's not finished, not even started, but you can already see how soo much better it is than ZOS..."

Yolokin_Swagonborn

This game occurs 200 years before bugfixes are invented.

AngryNord

Vasilis1st wrote: »

I suggest a new setting and timeline which starts after the events of Skyrim...

..and pretty much guarantee that there won't ever be a TES:Vi... No thanks.

Vasilis1st

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Vasilis1st wrote: »

Thank you mate, I'd be so happy if the others were optimistic and did some constructive criticism like yours.

If you want constructive criticism here's one piece of advice : in order to attract constructive criticism, step up with some humility and not like "See ? it takes me 5 minutes to do better than ZOS. Of course it's not finished, not even started, but you can already see how soo much better it is than ZOS..."

Everyone is free to think as they please. I don't think ESOTU's story is good and attractive. I wrote those words just to motivate ZOS team to do better things. As I have said in my previous posts, what I wrote wasn't a complete plot, settings, these were just pointers. Even amateurs like me can make interesting stories, so they are supposed to do far better things. Anyway, I don't think it's worth to argue anymore