Loot Drops in Vet WGT and Prison

DerpyShadowz

I think i have more essence thief and toxic rubbish than everything else combined. Which is sad as a Magicka NB player, After the amount of runs Ive done, I still only got a single scathing piece and a single spell cure piece, both with well-fitted. Had a single kena helm drop, bad armor type, No lord warden drop or Nerieneth helm drop as of yet either.

The only gear set ive managed to piece together is 4pc Overwhelming, 3 of which are reinforced in the first place, and 1 piece had a stamina trait which i had to replace...

Ended up buying my 3pc willpower jewelry, The Dungeon RNG put me off enough i wasnt willing to farm trophies to face even more rng.

Sad times are sad

Murmeltier

1. Made the Equip BoE, Problem solved.

2. Offer a fair Token System, where you can choose the Equip you need, Problem solved.

3. Raise the Dropchance isnt very helpfull, not as much as the other two Options.

Many Players try to farm the first Bosses to get their Equip. But with that RNG and Dropchance they have to be very very lucky, to get a Set they really want. They work for this, they go farm and farm but it cant be, that only People who can go in 24/7 the Week, or the Lucky Ones, get the Equip.

Zos, if you want save Time till Orsinium arrives, so that the Players have something to do, there are many better Options to offer something Interesting. See my two Options above.

If you want to lose Players, or frustrate them, dont change anything. You have the choice, but dont say you are so sorry if the Ship is going down.

P.S: And pls, give us the damn Racechange, another good Example how frustrating Zos can act, for the Players.

rokrdt05

Murmeltier wrote: »

1. Made the Equip BoE, Problem solved.

2. Offer a fair Token System, where you can choose the Equip you need, Problem solved.

3. Raise the Dropchance isnt very helpfull, not as much as the other two Options.

Many Players try to farm the first Bosses to get their Equip. But with that RNG and Dropchance they have to be very very lucky, to get a Set they really want. They work for this, they go farm and farm but it cant be, that only People who can go in 24/7 the Week, or the Lucky Ones, get the Equip.

Zos, if you want save Time till Orsinium arrives, so that the Players have something to do, there are many better Options to offer something Interesting. See my two Options above.

If you want to lose Players, or frustrate them, dont change anything. You have the choice, but dont say you are so sorry if the Ship is going down.

P.S: And pls, give us the damn Racechange, another good Example how frustrating Zos can act, for the Players.

Yeah, I know many players are doing the first boss and hoping for the best. My group has found that it's better to do the 6 runs it takes for a vault in VetWGT to get a vault and 4 runs for VetPrison for it's vault to get at least a guaranteed drop.

However it still extremely frustrating as you can get the same pieces with the same bad trait over and over and over.

agro2014

Making these set items BoE is the best solution IMHO.

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO

Token system would be best.

One of my guildies has run COA over 70 times, and has never ever gotten the valkyn helm, nadda zip nul.

I have run the new dungeons a bunch of time and have 1 piece of scathing mage to show for it.

Introduce tokens which you earn for boss kills and dungeon completion. Then we can grind tokens and eventually buy the set pieces we want with them. The boss drops of the pieces can be slightly better versions than the token ones.

hydrocynus

Someone in our group last night mentioned a phrase that I found quite comical: "the ZoS RNG Troll". Where your DPS gets imperium pieces and your tank gets overwhelming surge and healer gets Molag Kenna hat.

I think it was you @lathbury ? Frikken laughed!

rokrdt05

hydrocynus wrote: »

Someone in our group last night mentioned a phrase that I found quite comical: "the ZoS RNG Troll". Where your DPS gets imperium pieces and your tank gets overwhelming surge and healer gets Molag Kenna hat.

I think it was you @lathbury ? Frikken laughed!

It's funny that you mention that because we've seen something similar. The people who are lucky enough to get drops, get the loot meant for opposite their class/spec... I know some stam users who keep getting nothing but magicka gear or healers who get tank gear... It's quite silly.

DerpyShadowz

Murmeltier wrote: »

1. Made the Equip BoE, Problem solved.

2. Offer a fair Token System, where you can choose the Equip you need, Problem solved.

3. Raise the Dropchance isnt very helpfull, not as much as the other two Options.

Many Players try to farm the first Bosses to get their Equip. But with that RNG and Dropchance they have to be very very lucky, to get a Set they really want. They work for this, they go farm and farm but it cant be, that only People who can go in 24/7 the Week, or the Lucky Ones, get the Equip.

Zos, if you want save Time till Orsinium arrives, so that the Players have something to do, there are many better Options to offer something Interesting. See my two Options above.

If you want to lose Players, or frustrate them, dont change anything. You have the choice, but dont say you are so sorry if the Ship is going down.

P.S: And pls, give us the damn Racechange, another good Example how frustrating Zos can act, for the Players.

I agree for the most part, but Race Change should never ever be a thing. Or at least, if it ever did happen it was a 1 time non reversible option.

code65536

Bind-on-pickup is idiotic, pure and simple. It places people at the mercy of the RNG with zero recourse.

If you don't want a trade free-for-all, at least introduce a compromise: bind-on-departure. You can trade items in-person (not via mail) with the people currently with you in that dungeon instance, until you depart from that dungeon instance. This would at least relieve the problem of the tank getting the light monster helm while the healer gets the heavy one, or partially alleviate the problem of me having gotten multiple copies of the Scathing boots while never having gotten any of the other pieces from that set.

G0ku

code65536 wrote: »

Bind-on-pickup is idiotic, pure and simple. It places people at the mercy of the RNG with zero recourse.

If you don't want a trade free-for-all, at least introduce a compromise: bind-on-departure. You can trade items in-person (not via mail) with the people currently with you in that dungeon instance, until you depart from that dungeon instance. This would at least relieve the problem of the tank getting the light monster helm while the healer gets the heavy one, or partially alleviate the problem of me having gotten multiple copies of the Scathing boots while never having gotten any of the other pieces from that set.

this; let members of a group swap items between each other before departure out of the dungeon. if I get a 5th pair of the bracers of the essence thief for my collection I will freak out

lathbury

hydrocynus wrote: »

Someone in our group last night mentioned a phrase that I found quite comical: "the ZoS RNG Troll". Where your DPS gets imperium pieces and your tank gets overwhelming surge and healer gets Molag Kenna hat.

I think it was you @lathbury ? Frikken laughed!

the real question is who will get the most lost hatchets tonight?

hydrocynus

lathbury wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Someone in our group last night mentioned a phrase that I found quite comical: "the ZoS RNG Troll". Where your DPS gets imperium pieces and your tank gets overwhelming surge and healer gets Molag Kenna hat.

I think it was you @lathbury ? Frikken laughed!

the real question is who will get the most lost hatchets tonight?

Challenge Accepted!!!

G0ku

got my 6th pair of bracers of the essence thief today... getting really annoyed slowly

Kungfu

Skipping the 3 pages of posts because I'm at work and have no time.

I'm sure I'm not the first to recommend this but:

ZOS to remove BOP **ENTIRELY**.

One of the greatest things about Elder Scrolls *was* the market. ZOS - you're moving into the iron grip that most games fall into. This is not [insert other level-grind games here]!!! This WAS Elder Scrolls.

If players can farm items and sell the ones they get but don't want, therein lies an intrinsic benefit to the grinder that will keep players coming back for more ... and more ... and more. Even after they get the gear they want, the PvE'ers of the world will continue to farm those items so that they can make gold off the PvP'ers who want them but ...

**HINT HINT**

cannot STAND PvE'ing to get them.

Remove BOP and the original poster would have a thread full of "Just go buy it off someone" responses.

hedna123b14_ESO

hydrocynus wrote: »

Someone in our group last night mentioned a phrase that I found quite comical: "the ZoS RNG Troll". Where your DPS gets imperium pieces and your tank gets overwhelming surge and healer gets Molag Kenna hat.

I think it was you @lathbury ? Frikken laughed!

My healer wears Molag kena

hedna123b14_ESO

I Highlander l wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

1. Made the Equip BoE, Problem solved.

2. Offer a fair Token System, where you can choose the Equip you need, Problem solved.

3. Raise the Dropchance isnt very helpfull, not as much as the other two Options.

Many Players try to farm the first Bosses to get their Equip. But with that RNG and Dropchance they have to be very very lucky, to get a Set they really want. They work for this, they go farm and farm but it cant be, that only People who can go in 24/7 the Week, or the Lucky Ones, get the Equip.

Zos, if you want save Time till Orsinium arrives, so that the Players have something to do, there are many better Options to offer something Interesting. See my two Options above.

If you want to lose Players, or frustrate them, dont change anything. You have the choice, but dont say you are so sorry if the Ship is going down.

P.S: And pls, give us the damn Racechange, another good Example how frustrating Zos can act, for the Players.

I agree for the most part, but Race Change should never ever be a thing. Or at least, if it ever did happen it was a 1 time non reversible option.

Race change should definitely be a thing considering that the changes that ZoS made invalidate racial choice made by players...

sagitter

rokrdt05 wrote: »

It would really be nice if @zos would give an update to increased loot drops from these dungeons.

I have spent 2 weeks with multiple runs daily to farm the gear sets that drop from these dungeons. The problem I am having is the drop rate is so incredibly low, that farming these dungeons has become all my game time has been devoted to. When did this become Elder Scrolls Grind Until Your Eyes Bleed? I understand that there should be some sort of grind being new content and what not... but this is absurd.

Trials has become obsolete, and I feel like I should just make a long term PvP set with easier to get gear and just PvP. The new PvE content is dying rapidly as well as a lot of the player base (from my perspective). Old PvE content can only be ran so many times before it gets old as well.

Anyone else have thoughts regarding the state of the game and gear drops being almost impossible to get?

My lucky friend got like 10 molag keena helm v16 and overwhelming complete sets + some other set pieces in these 2 weeks lol i hate him.

Cuyler

Up the drop rates on Harvest Di*ks, I don't have enough of those....

is it really possible for a hatchet to be "lost" so many times? wouldn't it then be "misplaced"

failkiwib16_ESO

2 runs, 2 v16 Molag Kena helmets
Everyone in my group wanted it, I didn't and I got it while they didn't. -.-

I hate RNG, and I hate BoP and I also hate BoE.

G0ku

It happened; guys in my group started to rage our healer got nothing at all in 3 runs. the other two of us got one part / two parts we already had with a stupid trait. our fourth player took a day off today. our lucky substitute got his 2nd molag kena helm, 3 set parts and two out of the trophy room of which one he can use for his char.

They said that it seems to have no use to try over and over again so when our sub runs out we will call it a day until orsinium comes out; I won´t run with other people than my standard group as it works so much better than with some random people. So it seems the four of us will have no more access to IC starting october. We never gave up on anything in this game, this time it seems to happen...

We won´t run in there for weeks just to have complete sets by the time ZOS makes them useless with their new nerfs coming with orsinium.

edit: I don´t think there can be any decent rng in this game. There is no explanation for having the same guys get these things on their first run while some other never got to a 5-piece-set of wormcult at all. Their way to calculate stuff like this seems... don´t know how to comment on that, no use telling ZOS the same complaints over and over again. It´s my first MMO but I was told that every other MMO realised at some point that BoP is nonsense. Y, but we´re talking about ZOS....

rokrdt05

After 80+ runs (yes that is accurate), I got my FIRST Molag Kena Helm.... wait for it... Well-Fitted. This trait shouldn't even exist in the loot table.

lathbury

More tanking gear for the dps last night I think the lost hatchet race was a tie though.

hydrocynus

Yeah got my second hatchet on the final mini-maw to tie it up at 2-2 for the run. Was a close thing there for a while but I knew I could count on the RNG to get me back into the hatchet race.

To be I fair I got a tank piece with infused from the vault but never got a set piece drop from the entire run.

rokrdt05

Sooooo... @ZOS_GinaBruno any chance you might be able to give us an update on loot drops in the veteran versions of White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison?

We haven't heard anything and a lot of people are wondering what will be done with the extremely low drops rates. The 2 items per vault was an improvement but more could be done considering the difficulty of these areas.

I will say that I ran VetPrison 8 times in a row last night and did not get 1 single set piece to drop for me. THAT is extremely frustrating and very discouraging from continuing to play this game when it feels I waste my time since the dungeon doesn't give good XP at all.

hydrocynus

On Friday I ran vet prison for the first time and I got two tormentor pieces but the rest of my group received nothing if I recall correctly.

It seems in this dungeon someone is managing their hatchet inventory very well as I found no lost ones.

lathbury

yeah hydro I got the trash drops off each boss.

hydrocynus

Ah ah yes I remember. You got the ZoS RNG Troll Grand Slam!

Stuff of legends. Beats any hatchet run I have ever seen.

Baconfat79

Must run "new" content endlessly to acquire "new" gear, which isn't needed to complete "new" content. Must have "new" gear, so I can complete the "next new content" first, and acquire the "NEW new gear", which won't be needed to complete the "next new content." Welcome to MMOs. It is what it is.

hedna123b14_ESO

Baconfat the necromancer