Bring Back 1.5 - Ploxx

Xsorus

I look at it this way...I can play my DK, and have *** sustain (Unless I stack health regen) or have Engine Guardian Set (Like seriously..its pretty much required to play a DK at this point) and probably kill some players in a 1v1....However if I get any adds i'm pretty much screwed if they're half way competent....

Or...

I can play my Nightblade...who has far better sustain..can kill equally as good...be pretty much as tanky right now (since Blocking is no longer favored..just straight armor/spell resist) and if I get any adds..Just stealth the hell away...

I mean..I just don't see the point in trying to make a class without an escape work in PvP at this point.

FireCowCommando

Xsorus wrote: »

I mean..I just don't see the point in trying to make a class without an escape work in PvP at this point.

Thats the problem, two classes dont have escapes, and the meta is all about being able to get away from a bad fight with your loot. Im seriously contemplating if i should quit or reroll, regardless of if i can make templar work, the build i would need to run is not fun to me.

I feel like this is a sin against ZoS, but i LIKED being able to 1vX.

Pls dont nerf me more for saying it.

Yonkit

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I mean..I just don't see the point in trying to make a class without an escape work in PvP at this point.

Thats the problem, two classes dont have escapes, and the meta is all about being able to get away from a bad fight with your loot. Im seriously contemplating if i should quit or reroll, regardless of if i can make templar work, the build i would need to run is not fun to me.

I feel like this is a sin against ZoS, but i LIKED being able to 1vX.

Pls dont nerf me more for saying it.

Everyone liked being able to 1vX, it was what made PvP fun, if you had fun running in 24 man blobs then gtfo, but yea, trying to make Dk or templar work for solo play is virtually impossible, for group play you can still do alright, I threw Kagrenac's Hope on my Dk and just made him a utility tank, snares, roots, group heals with resto, he can still tank and do damage but the damage is sub par and pathetic, I cringe every-time I whip someone. But without a group I won't even log onto him, utterly pathetic in 1vX scenarios.

@Ishammael twas Pandaroo.

aco5712

magicka DKs are definetly harder to play. the difference between a magicka DK and a stam DK is that a stam DK uses weapon abilities for damage which reinforces the fact that the magicka abilities lack the same damage and cost. I theorized a magicka DK build, tried it on live, found out how *** the sustain and damage was and reverted back to stam which is super balanced.

Mist form truly is the only DK escape and mist form is the only reason i still clutch onto vamp. Problem is that DK/templar are supposed to be the stand there and fight til the bitter end type of class but like said above, the shift away from being able to do that hurts them tremendously.

I hope DK buffs are coming but i wouldnt hold my breath. They wont implement class changes til orsium is released either so its really reroll stam, reroll class or reroll life.

Yonkit

aco5712 wrote: »

magicka DKs are definetly harder to play. the difference between a magicka DK and a stam DK is that a stam DK uses weapon abilities for damage which reinforces the fact that the magicka abilities lack the same damage and cost. I theorized a magicka DK build, tried it on live, found out how *** the sustain and damage was and reverted back to stam which is super balanced.

Mist form truly is the only DK escape and mist form is the only reason i still clutch onto vamp. Problem is that DK/templar are supposed to be the stand there and fight til the bitter end type of class but like said above, the shift away from being able to do that hurts them tremendously.

I hope DK buffs are coming but i wouldnt hold my breath. They wont implement class changes til orsium is released either so its really reroll stam, reroll class or reroll life.

Stam's boring classe's take to long, life though, that's easy.... Somebody find me a Beretta.

Bane_of_Fringe

Darnathian wrote: »

Yup. It's a shame. I officially quit tonight. The gear grind just got real. with 1.5 I would do it. Not this crap. On top of the gear grind this battle leveling is ***. I paid subscription this whole time. No more.

To see how much time I wasted i /played. 96 days. Lol. Oh well

RIP Darnathian

Yonkit

Bane_of_Fringe wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Yup. It's a shame. I officially quit tonight. The gear grind just got real. with 1.5 I would do it. Not this crap. On top of the gear grind this battle leveling is ***. I paid subscription this whole time. No more.

To see how much time I wasted i /played. 96 days. Lol. Oh well

RIP Darnathian

I dropped my sub immediately when the game went F2P... Can't quit though, too many jack wagons that want me to stay.

Master_Kas

Recremen wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Nah dude, I like being allowed to go stamina DK. Or, like, -anything- stamina. Though there's certainly been some things taken out that would be nice to see come back. I have no idea what your pot build is but sure man, go for it, let's have that again.

stamina was functional in 1.5.... very functional, just ask @xylena

Was it viable in large groups, though? I might have my patches confused, and I definitely joined PvP later than some of the folks here, but I'm pretty sure 1.5 was the patch where everyone was running around with a flame staff using impulse and you couldn't use half your skills or you'd feed the other group's negates, which were the deciding factor in a lot of fights. IDK, I think there's a lot more room for build variety in recent patches, the only thing that's kind of irking me right now is the slow ult gen. Even that's not so bad, you can still wipe a force that outnumbers you with good tactics, it's just a little harder. I might need to experience more large group fights this patch to feel that's 100% true, but it's still not "strictly" a numbers game.

Yonkit wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

#Remove AOE Cap
#Bring back Ground Oil
#Bring back Meatbag healing debuff 40%

Yuss.

@blabafat there's a point where adaptation and blatant disregard and idiocy don't mix Blab, the battle spirit changes for this patch is blatant disregard and idiocy, also a monument to ZoS's laziness.

Sorc shields OP? Nerf all shields.

Stam Dmg OP? Nerf all damage.

And then the healing nerf which was used to go along with the dmg nerf, when the tooltip says 33% of missing health, battle spirit should not effect something that's already so small and percentage based, this is idiocy.

Then ZoS pretending to act like this change wouldn't make abilities that heal off dmg done horrible, sure they went back and fixed them, but they shouldn't of had to do that in the first place, this is blatant disregard.

Bolded part, are you claiming magicka damage wasn't OP in last patch? I could oneshot vamps with my sorcs dawnbreaker, two/three shot people with curse+Db+procced CF. Without needing any stealth. Not even speaking about buffed proxy detonation which I could wipe groups of 4-5 people (who wasn't using broken nirn) Imo both magick and stamina had their "OP dmg" skills.

26k detonation, not emperor. Way higher than my highest snipes/wrecking blows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJnp4bF6KC8

Don't get me wrong, I hate this patch, just pointed that out

Darnathian

Yonkit wrote: »

Bane_of_Fringe wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Yup. It's a shame. I officially quit tonight. The gear grind just got real. with 1.5 I would do it. Not this crap. On top of the gear grind this battle leveling is ***. I paid subscription this whole time. No more.

To see how much time I wasted i /played. 96 days. Lol. Oh well

RIP Darnathian

I dropped my sub immediately when the game went F2P... Can't quit though, too many jack wagons that want me to stay.

Tbh I find the forums more entertaining than the game now. Lol. But even that is losing its luster as more players quit.

Soris

Dawnbreaker was bugged.
Sorcs were.. well.. sorcs.
And Nbs...don't even need to explain that.

Congrats magicka builds being so op due to the broken skills, overload exploits and combos that were only available to one class like in this video.
I didn't see any op magicka build without any use of broken dawnbreaker of smithing.

However on the other side, some stamina builds were ignoring almost all of your armor.
I wonder how we did play that stupid patch for 7 months long.

Yonkit

@Master_Kas nah, damage in general was high, but if you stacked Nirn, which was broken in and of itself, you couldn't be touched by a magicka build, that's why I said Stam instead of magicka or both.

Master_Kas

Soris wrote: »

Dawnbreaker was bugged.
Sorcs were.. well.. sorcs.
And Nbs...don't even need to explain that.

Congrats magicka builds being so op due to the broken skills, overload exploits and combos that were only available to one class like in this video.
I didn't see any op magicka build without any use of broken dawnbreaker of smithing.

However on the other side, some stamina builds were ignoring almost all of your armor.
I wonder how we did play that stupid patch for 7 months long.

Broken skills exploits? Detonation wasn't an exploit. Dawnbreaker wasn't an exploit. It was bugged, the dot but that doesn't make it an exploit.

"combos that were only available to one class like in this video." Any class can drink spelldamage pot , use entropy or magelight for empower while stacking spelldamage+max magicka and use detonation.

No OP magicka build without dawnbreaker? Detonation by itself was deadly, from all classes/builds who stacked spelldamage and max magicka without the need of dawnbreaker.

Didn't use overload glitch. If so then stamina dmg was broken because sharpened maces only.
Both sides had their "OP" / fast kill combos.

Yonkit wrote: »

@Master_Kas nah, damage in general was high, but if you stacked Nirn, which was broken in and of itself, you couldn't be touched by a magicka build, that's why I said Stam instead of magicka or both.

Yes true, but not everyone ran around in nirnhoned. Also with so high damage, I could burst down people who wore nirn too. Except some with 5x nirn, tons of CP into reduce magick damage and block etc.

Agree 1.6 was full of bugs, exploits and broken stuff which led to fast TTK. Still think the 50% damage reduction was a bit over the top. Should've been like 35-40% instead. Oh well.

BigTone

My counter to the "well sorcs and NBs have escapes so DKs and templars should too" argument has always been that DKs and Templars have awesome self heals that Sorcs and NBs don't have access to. Now that we can't say that about DKs anymore something should be done.

Yonkit

BigTone wrote: »

My counter to the "well sorcs and NBs have escapes so DKs and templars should too" argument has always been that DKs and Templars have awesome self heals that Sorcs and NBs don't have access too. Now that we can't say that about DKs anymore something should be done.

Aye that's basically the issue for DKs and Templars, they've basically been the shock troopers of ESO where they fight till they drop, there's no running away, however, that's impossible now, because you can't spam ultimates as a DK for infinite resources, and Mist form is garbage, and their self heals are even more so.

Sanct16

Guys why dont you use the new obsidian shard for heals?

Meanwhile lets think about some possible buffs for nightblade....

tplink3r1

Manoekin wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

1.5 sucked, but combine the good parts of the last 3 updates and you'd have a great game.

There's a good part of this latest patch, I must've missed it, pass me the manual.

Sorry you can't look at things objectively, and can only find room to whine and complain.

Sorry guys, i love 2.1.

frozywozy

Master_Kas wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Nah dude, I like being allowed to go stamina DK. Or, like, -anything- stamina. Though there's certainly been some things taken out that would be nice to see come back. I have no idea what your pot build is but sure man, go for it, let's have that again.

stamina was functional in 1.5.... very functional, just ask @xylena

Was it viable in large groups, though? I might have my patches confused, and I definitely joined PvP later than some of the folks here, but I'm pretty sure 1.5 was the patch where everyone was running around with a flame staff using impulse and you couldn't use half your skills or you'd feed the other group's negates, which were the deciding factor in a lot of fights. IDK, I think there's a lot more room for build variety in recent patches, the only thing that's kind of irking me right now is the slow ult gen. Even that's not so bad, you can still wipe a force that outnumbers you with good tactics, it's just a little harder. I might need to experience more large group fights this patch to feel that's 100% true, but it's still not "strictly" a numbers game.

Yonkit wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

#Remove AOE Cap
#Bring back Ground Oil
#Bring back Meatbag healing debuff 40%

Yuss.

@blabafat there's a point where adaptation and blatant disregard and idiocy don't mix Blab, the battle spirit changes for this patch is blatant disregard and idiocy, also a monument to ZoS's laziness.

Sorc shields OP? Nerf all shields.

Stam Dmg OP? Nerf all damage.

And then the healing nerf which was used to go along with the dmg nerf, when the tooltip says 33% of missing health, battle spirit should not effect something that's already so small and percentage based, this is idiocy.

Then ZoS pretending to act like this change wouldn't make abilities that heal off dmg done horrible, sure they went back and fixed them, but they shouldn't of had to do that in the first place, this is blatant disregard.

Bolded part, are you claiming magicka damage wasn't OP in last patch? I could oneshot vamps with my sorcs dawnbreaker, two/three shot people with curse+Db+procced CF. Without needing any stealth. Not even speaking about buffed proxy detonation which I could wipe groups of 4-5 people (who wasn't using broken nirn) Imo both magick and stamina had their "OP dmg" skills.

26k detonation, not emperor. Way higher than my highest snipes/wrecking blows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJnp4bF6KC8

Don't get me wrong, I hate this patch, just pointed that out

Magicka Sorcs did and will always do good damage in 1v1 or 1vX focus target for a very simple reason. They only have to raise magic damage unlike DKs who have to also raise fire damage. By putting points in thaumaturgy, you don't only raise your class skills damage but also all magical ultimates and proximity detonation.

Araxleon

1.5...
1.6...
or I dare say...
Private servers atleast.

ToRelax

frozywozy wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Nah dude, I like being allowed to go stamina DK. Or, like, -anything- stamina. Though there's certainly been some things taken out that would be nice to see come back. I have no idea what your pot build is but sure man, go for it, let's have that again.

stamina was functional in 1.5.... very functional, just ask @xylena

Was it viable in large groups, though? I might have my patches confused, and I definitely joined PvP later than some of the folks here, but I'm pretty sure 1.5 was the patch where everyone was running around with a flame staff using impulse and you couldn't use half your skills or you'd feed the other group's negates, which were the deciding factor in a lot of fights. IDK, I think there's a lot more room for build variety in recent patches, the only thing that's kind of irking me right now is the slow ult gen. Even that's not so bad, you can still wipe a force that outnumbers you with good tactics, it's just a little harder. I might need to experience more large group fights this patch to feel that's 100% true, but it's still not "strictly" a numbers game.

Yonkit wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

#Remove AOE Cap
#Bring back Ground Oil
#Bring back Meatbag healing debuff 40%

Yuss.

@blabafat there's a point where adaptation and blatant disregard and idiocy don't mix Blab, the battle spirit changes for this patch is blatant disregard and idiocy, also a monument to ZoS's laziness.

Sorc shields OP? Nerf all shields.

Stam Dmg OP? Nerf all damage.

And then the healing nerf which was used to go along with the dmg nerf, when the tooltip says 33% of missing health, battle spirit should not effect something that's already so small and percentage based, this is idiocy.

Then ZoS pretending to act like this change wouldn't make abilities that heal off dmg done horrible, sure they went back and fixed them, but they shouldn't of had to do that in the first place, this is blatant disregard.

Bolded part, are you claiming magicka damage wasn't OP in last patch? I could oneshot vamps with my sorcs dawnbreaker, two/three shot people with curse+Db+procced CF. Without needing any stealth. Not even speaking about buffed proxy detonation which I could wipe groups of 4-5 people (who wasn't using broken nirn) Imo both magick and stamina had their "OP dmg" skills.

26k detonation, not emperor. Way higher than my highest snipes/wrecking blows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJnp4bF6KC8

Don't get me wrong, I hate this patch, just pointed that out

Magicka Sorcs did and will always do good damage in 1v1 or 1vX focus target for a very simple reason. They only have to raise magic damage unlike DKs who have to also raise fire damage. By putting points in thaumaturgy, you don't only raise your class skills damage but also all magical ultimates and proximity detonation.

Because Sorcs use nothing but Curse, Fragments and eventually Dawnbreaker.
Besides, since always is since 1.6? And forever is until they max out both passives?

Jolinius

Yes please bring back 1.5. They took game of the year and made it opposite of that. The mechanics are sooooo bad now.All everyone wanted was new content in the first place not opposite world mechanics. Omg this patch is so bad.........

Yonkit

Sanct16 wrote: »

Guys why dont you use the new obsidian shard for heals?

Meanwhile lets think about some possible buffs for nightblade....

Araxleon wrote: »

1.5...
1.6...
or I dare say...
Private servers atleast.

@Araxleon I'd support this too, private campaigns where you can choose the base patch to work off of, then change things like the battle spirit buff, scoring rules, emp rules, emp stats, etc etc etc

Draxys

I would happily sign this petition.

Tomato

No

Yonkit

Draxys wrote: »

I would happily sign this petition.

@Draxys too bad it'll never happen.

Hektik_V

Yonkit wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Nah dude, I like being allowed to go stamina DK. Or, like, -anything- stamina. Though there's certainly been some things taken out that would be nice to see come back. I have no idea what your pot build is but sure man, go for it, let's have that again.

stamina was functional in 1.5.... very functional, just ask @xylena

Stamina was barely functional, it worked for Xylena, because DK. I ran a very similar stamina build to Xylena as a NB, but was forced into restoration staff off-hand with hybrid max stats. While the end result did fine, it was far from ideal. There are some new things I'd try in 1.5, with knowledge from today. But i doubt the end result would be any better.

There are some things i miss about 1.5, like stamina drain and sparks. I think 1.6 could have actually been the better patch, if ZOS didn't sleep on all the bugs and actually communicated to us better. If they would have adjusted penetration, nirn/spell resist, the CP system.

2.1 is a train-wreck, I'm sorry if people disagree on this. All i do in this game is PvP, but it's so boring now.

I don't want to sound like a jack wagon but the only people that benefit and enjoy the benefit of 2.1's patch are hardcore zerglings that just want to follow crown and use 2 skills

So no, nobody disagrees with you

I dunno, the only place I ever see you in Cyrodiil is in a 24 man raid, but that's besides the point.

The only thing I miss about 1.5 is the dynamic ultimate generation. Besides that 1.5 was just a battle of who had the most negates in group to negate the other groups' wall of element spam. The dark flare heal debuff stacking is something I'll never miss either.

MLRPZ

BigTone wrote: »

My counter to the "well sorcs and NBs have escapes so DKs and templars should too" argument has always been that DKs and Templars have awesome self heals that Sorcs and NBs don't have access to. Now that we can't say that about DKs anymore something should be done.

yeah, with Vigor at Assault 5, barely every stam build has a self heal. + it's AOE + it's a HoT, basically what templar healer lacks IMO. maybe i refuse to think outside the box, but i dislike Rapid regen so much..
And for magika sorcs & NB, healing ward do the work just fine.
Second statement "Dks have awesome self heal" GDB is *** atm, so DKs are pretty *** up..
but hey..

#bringback1.5

Sanct16

#BringBackDynamicUltimate
#BringBackSoftCaps

Bashev

Sanct16 wrote: »

#BringBackDynamicUltimate
#BringBackSoftCaps

Be careful what you wish. Cause if they bring back the dynamic ultimate generation probably it wont work as it used to be and then we will have another surprise.

Ishammael

Hektik_V wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Nah dude, I like being allowed to go stamina DK. Or, like, -anything- stamina. Though there's certainly been some things taken out that would be nice to see come back. I have no idea what your pot build is but sure man, go for it, let's have that again.

stamina was functional in 1.5.... very functional, just ask @xylena

Stamina was barely functional, it worked for Xylena, because DK. I ran a very similar stamina build to Xylena as a NB, but was forced into restoration staff off-hand with hybrid max stats. While the end result did fine, it was far from ideal. There are some new things I'd try in 1.5, with knowledge from today. But i doubt the end result would be any better.

There are some things i miss about 1.5, like stamina drain and sparks. I think 1.6 could have actually been the better patch, if ZOS didn't sleep on all the bugs and actually communicated to us better. If they would have adjusted penetration, nirn/spell resist, the CP system.

2.1 is a train-wreck, I'm sorry if people disagree on this. All i do in this game is PvP, but it's so boring now.

I don't want to sound like a jack wagon but the only people that benefit and enjoy the benefit of 2.1's patch are hardcore zerglings that just want to follow crown and use 2 skills

So no, nobody disagrees with you

I dunno, the only place I ever see you in Cyrodiil is in a 24 man raid, but that's besides the point.

The only thing I miss about 1.5 is the dynamic ultimate generation. Besides that 1.5 was just a battle of who had the most negates in group to negate the other groups' wall of element spam. The dark flare heal debuff stacking is something I'll never miss either.

I think we would all agree that there were many, many things wrong with 1.5. Negate and dark flare were a couple. Agreed that dynamic ultimate needs to come back

But what do we have instead. Garbage grinding via champion system. Reinflated stats with v16 gear. *** grinding for mats and gear.

Think of it this way: what if they had spent the last nine months (since March 1.6 roll out) adding things to cyrodiil and to pve rather than chnaging *** that didn't need to be fixed.

JaJaLuka

Yonkit wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Sorry I enjoy being able to deal decent damage on a templar. In 1.5 I would be doomed to the fate of a BoL bot.

@manny254 Blinding Flashes, nuff said.

I miss sparks