willymchilybily wrote: »I think they should cut the generic info response, if they are unable to use it correctly. it only enrages the player, causing them to likely be less than polite. Then again i sometimes think CS sometimes like to troll.
Edit: Sorry, just realised it's a wall of text. Sorry
The problem with this idea, is that not all customer service people work with the same mentality.
There are a few, who genuinely love what they do and will do all they can to fix the problem that has been addressed. They will bend over backwards to make it happen. These people are absolute assets to any customer service group and almost always provide an excellent service.
The next group are those that are doing it as it's a job. CS Roles do NOT pay good money. You are at the customer facing front end. You take the brunt of a disgruntled customer. The vast majority of customers do not think about this, and just give you crap about something that is really nothing to do with them, they are just there working trying to do they're job to make ends meet. The nicer you are with them, the more they will try to help - but you put their back up, they will stone wall you. I know, it's crazy they are paid so little for such an important role - but management has and always will see customer service as a necessary evil. It's a cost they have to wrap into their product/service as it's expected. And things are getting worse for management. OVer the last 5-6 years with the speed at which information travels and how important peoples feedback direct to their friends/colleagues is, they HAVE to take note. Hell, it's even moved into Enterprise support where companies accept they MUST pay more for better specialists who know how to work with customers - hence the creation of "Customer Success Managers" in the US a few years back - something the UK and EU is now taking on.
Then you have the third category. These are the ones why there is a script in place and everything is effectively robotic and non-helpful. These people are employed simply because they passed a few HR questions and are cheap. Ireland has a problem in terms of economic growth, they gave crazy tax breaks to tech firms setting up CS and support centres over there. Because the economy was so bad, people had to drop their rates/expectations/salaries just to get work to survive. Not pretty, but true. So they end up employing people "Cheap" as it looks good on paper and a spread sheet, with little to no regard that this affects the attitude and demeanour of said employee. If you have a few of these people, who do get disgruntled, with free response/access - then they can cause a LOT of problems to the game.
It's not easy for any company to find the balance. Gaming has always had a challenge putting together a financially sensible, high customer service level, support offering. When you allow for the fact about 60% of any game budget is marketing, I guess it's not surprising. Support is almost an after thought.
Anyhows, out side of all that I typed, I've had to use Customer Support twice in 9 mths. Both times it's been excellent. The second one, was a very complicated and political situation and I probably spent the best part of 2 hours on the phone to a senior support manager in the US.
It's the worst CS of any game I have played. They also had a lot of their support staff layed off in Ireland recently so this is probably why. They also lost a few key devs from the team.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/2015/08/zos-cuts-support/
http://massivelyop.com/2015/08/19/rumor-more-layoffs-for-zenimax/
so about 2 days ago I ran White Gold Tower with a pug group. It took a decent amount of time to complete due to the fact that a few of us were first timers. We finally get to the final boss, get her down to about 10% and my client crashes to a ESO crash report. I quickly sign back in and when I do I'm outside the throne room. So I start making my way back to loot the boss, I enter the throne room and go to the side door and the open option is greyed out. can't get back in no matter what you do.
We spent about an hour and a half running the dungeon and now i can't get back in to get the fruits of our labor. So i decide to put in a ticket asking for help as in previous games a moderator will IM you within 10 or 20 mins. So I wait....and wait.....and wait....nothing. So I leave the instance and think maybe they are just busy and will get back to me later. Just a few mins ago I receive this email....
Helping you is our passion!
We will assume your issue has been resolved if we do not hear from you within 96 hours (4 days).
If your issue has not been resolved, you can respond directly to this email. We look forward to working with you again should you need us!
Subject
i am in the gold tower and wasnt able to loot the boss. now i cant get back to her. i need
Response By Email (Kenzie) (09/08/2015 03:40 PM)
Greetings,
Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited team. In light of the excitement and great demand for ESOTU, we are currently experiencing high contact volume. We encourage you to search our support site at https://help.elderscrollsonline.com for any in-game topics or issues you may have questions about. There are lots of helpful FAQs and links to our social pages.
Most in-game UI issues (including NPC, quest problems and missing crowns/entitlements) can be resolved by logging out for five minutes then back in which will load you into a new game instance.
Additionally, other great resources for in-game mechanics can be found via our forums: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en
There are also many wonderful community wikis:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/
Please note, we have also recently released a new patch for PC/Mac including our first DLC game pack: Imperial City! Review the patch notes for all of the recent changes here: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/category/patch-notes
Best Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Team
WTF does this have to do with anything.
And its not just this time. I've had multiple issues with the game in the past and received only generic responses. Or I've created forum posts for issues and the only help I get is from some moderator deleting posts or telling us to we have violated the code of conduct in some way. (obviously they make up any excuse they can to remove a post that shows the many many many negatives this game has.) And this has happened a lot. But this...this is def the straw that broke the camels back. why on earth would you design a dungeon where you can't get back in for this very reason?
lag, exploits, awful design decisions, disconnects, load screens, unable to log in, falling through the floor to my death, and now this...been playing since beta with hopes that all of this will change but I see now it never will.
I just wanted to rant a little bit and say, ZOS you have finally convinced me beyond all doubt that you will never improve, you have absolutely no idea what your doing and you simply don't care. You will never get another dollar from me again. ever.
Truewavesound wrote: »Be careful,. i posted the link to that first news story and got a warning email from ZOS for spreading "untrue, malicious rumour"
ROFL
Bethsoft wrote:Update 08/20/2015 8:04:32 AM EDT: A spokesperson from Bethsoft confirmed customer support layoffs to Massively OP in the following statement: “Following the successful PC and console launches of The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited, we have a thriving online community and have adjusted customer support to meet the ongoing needs of our players.”
you need to respond to the email then they start investigating i think.
Truewavesound wrote: »Be careful,. i posted the link to that first news story and got a warning email from ZOS for spreading "untrue, malicious rumour"
ROFL
That was before Bethsoft confirmed itBethsoft wrote:Update 08/20/2015 8:04:32 AM EDT: A spokesperson from Bethsoft confirmed customer support layoffs to Massively OP in the following statement: “Following the successful PC and console launches of The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited, we have a thriving online community and have adjusted customer support to meet the ongoing needs of our players.”
you need to respond to the email then they start investigating i think.
This ^^
It's a pretty standard procedure for most MMO customer service ..
1. You submit a ticket
2. The system sends you an automated response with some suggested fixes for common issues
3. You reply to the email
4. It's moved from automated and addressed by a customer services rep
Nothing different here than on most other MMO's. Half the time people complain about customer service in games like this it is because they don't understand the process.
Not saying the CS isn't bad here, it's not good at all, i've complained myself because of canned responses, but it's not as bad as some people portray.
you need to respond to the email then they start investigating i think.
This ^^
It's a pretty standard procedure for most MMO customer service ..
1. You submit a ticket
2. The system sends you an automated response with some suggested fixes for common issues
3. You reply to the email
4. It's moved from automated and addressed by a customer services rep
Nothing different here than on most other MMO's. Half the time people complain about customer service in games like this it is because they don't understand the process.
Not saying the CS isn't bad here, it's not good at all, i've complained myself because of canned responses, but it's not as bad as some people portray.
Mighty_oakk wrote: »you need to respond to the email then they start investigating i think.
This ^^
It's a pretty standard procedure for most MMO customer service ..
1. You submit a ticket
2. The system sends you an automated response with some suggested fixes for common issues
3. You reply to the email
4. It's moved from automated and addressed by a customer services rep
Nothing different here than on most other MMO's. Half the time people complain about customer service in games like this it is because they don't understand the process.
Not saying the CS isn't bad here, it's not good at all, i've complained myself because of canned responses, but it's not as bad as some people portray.
Buuuuut thats not what happens if you read the experiences customers have had
WTF does this have to do with anything.
And its not just this time. I've had multiple issues with the game in the past and received only generic responses. Or I've created forum posts for issues and the only help I get is from some moderator deleting posts or telling us to we have violated the code of conduct in some way.
willymchilybily wrote: »I think they should cut the generic info response, if they are unable to use it correctly. it only enrages the player, causing them to likely be less than polite. Then again i sometimes think CS sometimes like to troll.
Edit: Sorry, just realised it's a wall of text. Sorry
The problem with this idea, is that not all customer service people work with the same mentality.
There are a few, who genuinely love what they do and will do all they can to fix the problem that has been addressed. They will bend over backwards to make it happen. These people are absolute assets to any customer service group and almost always provide an excellent service.
The next group are those that are doing it as it's a job. CS Roles do NOT pay good money. You are at the customer facing front end. You take the brunt of a disgruntled customer. The vast majority of customers do not think about this, and just give you crap about something that is really nothing to do with them, they are just there working trying to do they're job to make ends meet. The nicer you are with them, the more they will try to help - but you put their back up, they will stone wall you. I know, it's crazy they are paid so little for such an important role - but management has and always will see customer service as a necessary evil. It's a cost they have to wrap into their product/service as it's expected. And things are getting worse for management. OVer the last 5-6 years with the speed at which information travels and how important peoples feedback direct to their friends/colleagues is, they HAVE to take note. Hell, it's even moved into Enterprise support where companies accept they MUST pay more for better specialists who know how to work with customers - hence the creation of "Customer Success Managers" in the US a few years back - something the UK and EU is now taking on.
Then you have the third category. These are the ones why there is a script in place and everything is effectively robotic and non-helpful. These people are employed simply because they passed a few HR questions and are cheap. Ireland has a problem in terms of economic growth, they gave crazy tax breaks to tech firms setting up CS and support centres over there. Because the economy was so bad, people had to drop their rates/expectations/salaries just to get work to survive. Not pretty, but true. So they end up employing people "Cheap" as it looks good on paper and a spread sheet, with little to no regard that this affects the attitude and demeanour of said employee. If you have a few of these people, who do get disgruntled, with free response/access - then they can cause a LOT of problems to the game.
It's not easy for any company to find the balance. Gaming has always had a challenge putting together a financially sensible, high customer service level, support offering. When you allow for the fact about 60% of any game budget is marketing, I guess it's not surprising. Support is almost an after thought.
Anyhows, out side of all that I typed, I've had to use Customer Support twice in 9 mths. Both times it's been excellent. The second one, was a very complicated and political situation and I probably spent the best part of 2 hours on the phone to a senior support manager in the US.
Personofsecrets wrote: »@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
Can customer service at least be allowed to always restore deleted, deconed, and sold items?
It is 2015, starbucks will replace a 6 dollar beverage on the house if it get's spilled, but you all can't give back a digital item, with a marginal cost of production of 0, if it accidentally is sold. That is a heap of rubbish.
so about 2 days ago I ran White Gold Tower with a pug group. It took a decent amount of time to complete due to the fact that a few of us were first timers. We finally get to the final boss, get her down to about 10% and my client crashes to a ESO crash report. I quickly sign back in and when I do I'm outside the throne room. So I start making my way back to loot the boss, I enter the throne room and go to the side door and the open option is greyed out. can't get back in no matter what you do.
We spent about an hour and a half running the dungeon and now i can't get back in to get the fruits of our labor. So i decide to put in a ticket asking for help as in previous games a moderator will IM you within 10 or 20 mins. So I wait....and wait.....and wait....nothing. So I leave the instance and think maybe they are just busy and will get back to me later. Just a few mins ago I receive this email....
Helping you is our passion!
We will assume your issue has been resolved if we do not hear from you within 96 hours (4 days).
If your issue has not been resolved, you can respond directly to this email. We look forward to working with you again should you need us!
Subject
i am in the gold tower and wasnt able to loot the boss. now i cant get back to her. i need
Response By Email (Kenzie) (09/08/2015 03:40 PM)
Greetings,
Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited team. In light of the excitement and great demand for ESOTU, we are currently experiencing high contact volume. We encourage you to search our support site at https://help.elderscrollsonline.com for any in-game topics or issues you may have questions about. There are lots of helpful FAQs and links to our social pages.
Most in-game UI issues (including NPC, quest problems and missing crowns/entitlements) can be resolved by logging out for five minutes then back in which will load you into a new game instance.
Additionally, other great resources for in-game mechanics can be found via our forums: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en
There are also many wonderful community wikis:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/
Please note, we have also recently released a new patch for PC/Mac including our first DLC game pack: Imperial City! Review the patch notes for all of the recent changes here: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/category/patch-notes
Best Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Team
WTF does this have to do with anything.
And its not just this time. I've had multiple issues with the game in the past and received only generic responses. Or I've created forum posts for issues and the only help I get is from some moderator deleting posts or telling us to we have violated the code of conduct in some way. (obviously they make up any excuse they can to remove a post that shows the many many many negatives this game has.) And this has happened a lot. But this...this is def the straw that broke the camels back. why on earth would you design a dungeon where you can't get back in for this very reason?
lag, exploits, awful design decisions, disconnects, load screens, unable to log in, falling through the floor to my death, and now this...been playing since beta with hopes that all of this will change but I see now it never will.
I just wanted to rant a little bit and say, ZOS you have finally convinced me beyond all doubt that you will never improve, you have absolutely no idea what your doing and you simply don't care. You will never get another dollar from me again. ever.
you need to respond to the email then they start investigating i think.
This ^^
It's a pretty standard procedure for most MMO customer service ..
1. You submit a ticket
2. The system sends you an automated response with some suggested fixes for common issues
3. You reply to the email
4. It's moved from automated and addressed by a customer services rep
Nothing different here than on most other MMO's. Half the time people complain about customer service in games like this it is because they don't understand the process.
Not saying the CS isn't bad here, it's not good at all, i've complained myself because of canned responses, but it's not as bad as some people portray.
Thank you for NOT reading my original message, which your reply did not help clarify. Given your history of not answering users' questions directly, I will not pursue this further.
I got the same exact reply about an unrelated issue. This was my reply:Thank you for NOT reading my original message, which your reply did not help clarify. Given your history of not answering users' questions directly, I will not pursue this further.
b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »I could not imagined I would experience the same customer support someday when I read this thread earlier today just until now. I was harvesting herbs from Alchemy Survey: Craglorn I a few hours ago. I did not even finished the first node when the game client crashed. I logged back in only to find all the nodes and the survey itself gone. Then I filed the ticket.
so about 2 days ago I ran White Gold Tower with a pug group. It took a decent amount of time to complete due to the fact that a few of us were first timers. We finally get to the final boss, get her down to about 10% and my client crashes to a ESO crash report. I quickly sign back in and when I do I'm outside the throne room. So I start making my way back to loot the boss, I enter the throne room and go to the side door and the open option is greyed out. can't get back in no matter what you do.
We spent about an hour and a half running the dungeon and now i can't get back in to get the fruits of our labor. So i decide to put in a ticket asking for help as in previous games a moderator will IM you within 10 or 20 mins. So I wait....and wait.....and wait....nothing. So I leave the instance and think maybe they are just busy and will get back to me later. Just a few mins ago I receive this email....
Helping you is our passion!
We will assume your issue has been resolved if we do not hear from you within 96 hours (4 days).
If your issue has not been resolved, you can respond directly to this email. We look forward to working with you again should you need us!
Subject
i am in the gold tower and wasnt able to loot the boss. now i cant get back to her. i need
Response By Email (Kenzie) (09/08/2015 03:40 PM)
Greetings,
Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited team. In light of the excitement and great demand for ESOTU, we are currently experiencing high contact volume. We encourage you to search our support site at https://help.elderscrollsonline.com for any in-game topics or issues you may have questions about. There are lots of helpful FAQs and links to our social pages.
Most in-game UI issues (including NPC, quest problems and missing crowns/entitlements) can be resolved by logging out for five minutes then back in which will load you into a new game instance.
Additionally, other great resources for in-game mechanics can be found via our forums: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en
There are also many wonderful community wikis:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/
Please note, we have also recently released a new patch for PC/Mac including our first DLC game pack: Imperial City! Review the patch notes for all of the recent changes here: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/category/patch-notes
Best Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited Team
WTF does this have to do with anything.
And its not just this time. I've had multiple issues with the game in the past and received only generic responses. Or I've created forum posts for issues and the only help I get is from some moderator deleting posts or telling us to we have violated the code of conduct in some way. (obviously they make up any excuse they can to remove a post that shows the many many many negatives this game has.) And this has happened a lot. But this...this is def the straw that broke the camels back. why on earth would you design a dungeon where you can't get back in for this very reason?
lag, exploits, awful design decisions, disconnects, load screens, unable to log in, falling through the floor to my death, and now this...been playing since beta with hopes that all of this will change but I see now it never will.
I just wanted to rant a little bit and say, ZOS you have finally convinced me beyond all doubt that you will never improve, you have absolutely no idea what your doing and you simply don't care. You will never get another dollar from me again. ever.
I don't think however someone writes an email dictates how seriously they're taken. They're not applying for a Uni Plus IMO they absolutely should know their content
I don't think however someone writes an email dictates how seriously they're taken. They're not applying for a Uni Plus IMO they absolutely should know their content
Lol they definitely don't know the content of the game. You pretty much have to get upped to a dev/other higher up to get anyone knowledgeable. I remember how much of a pain in the ass it was for some people to get their accounts straightened out on the old Psijic PTS builds because the CS people didn't know there was a secret test ongoing.