Do you like the current guild trader system or ?

RAGUNAnoOne

we need some sort of compromise if i were to do it this is how I would do it

I would add bazaar areas where around 5 traders would represent random guilds that unlock the store but never wear tabbards (and I mean 100% random no factors other than that and must not be represented by a trader already) these merchants will re-roll the random guilds every ingame day to give every guild a fair shot to sell SOMETHING while still letting the rich get richer faster.

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MakeUcrazY

something else

Kobaal wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Stupid system imo. Everyone should be able to sell wares equally .

You know who else wanted everyone to be able to sell wares equally? Karl Marx.

geesh you just dated yourself. Actually it's the profit of the sales that would be distributed evenly since it would be communal property being sold.

No one is asking for a Communist state here, only to partake in the Capitalist system in place. Just a little bit of a level playing field. I can walk into a state office, pick myself up a business licence, pay the same fee as everyone else, and start selling goods. I don't need to prove I have 150 friends and outbid Joe's Crawlers & Sweetrolls to set up a kiosk.

Asherons_Call

An auction house

Lamiai wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Lamiai wrote: »

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

For the hundreth time...No the current guild system is terrible and only helps the people with access at the top. In Rawlka there's what 6 guild traders and another 6 in Grahtwood? So from an AD perspective maybe there's 12 guild traders you would go to to buy from....that's at a max 6000 people. And if you want to sell something and you aren't apart of the 6000 people, well you might as well vendor it or spam zone.

So by conservative numbers say there's 100k people playing on NA/PC. Assuming an equal split, that's 33,000 people in AD (probably way more than that) and you only have access to at most 6000 people's wares. What about the other 27000?!?

So if you're part of the 6k, then sure...the system works great and you sell your wares without the competition of everyone else. But if you're not, the economy isn't available to you.

Each zone city center has a trade area with at least 6 stores, every zone also shares same trade store, take the time to visit them if you want to become an active trader, finish cadwell's silver and gold then you can visit EVERY trade store in every zone.

Active traders visit all stores to buy and sell, you need put the effort in as well

Boy that sounds fun! Traveling all over tamriel for hours on end searching through each trader! I just peed in excitement

Use the addon AwesomeGuildStore, you can check a store in seconds for decent priced items, takes me about 20-30 mins to visit a majority of store in one round, and in that 30 mins i can turn a bigger profit then someone who spends 2 hours picking containers, thieving etc.

You clearly have never attempted to be a trader in this game, the traders like how it is, if you want to make gold in this game its beyond easy, you just have to use your brain and be clued in as to what will be popular/ sell fast etc.

Addon? Oh I see you have me confused with a PC player. I wish I didn't transfer over to ps4 but alas that is too late. I'm playing the ugly stepchild version of ESO - USESO

Tankqull

Gaiden'Densetsu wrote: »

Only the super rich like the guild trading system. Must be republicans, jk

itsactually the other way round - only the super rich like the global AH as only them are able to monopolize a certain good and supress any attempt in undercutting them.

only in the current system you are able to find a bargain regularily...

Asherons_Call

An auction house

Tankqull wrote: »

Gaiden'Densetsu wrote: »

Only the super rich like the guild trading system. Must be republicans, jk

itsactually the other way round - only the super rich like the global AH as only them are able to monopolize a certain good and supress any attempt in undercutting them.

only in the current system you are able to find a bargain regularily...

To be honest I'd rather pay a little more to get the item I need in seconds rather than running all over oblivion for an hour searching for it. That gives me an hour back where I can actually play the game

Timeetyo

An auction house

I'd LOVE a true AH system, but i know that there is no way that will happen. I despise the fact that to find a rare item you must go to 5 different cities checking 6 kiosks each....it is tedious and a major pain. So how about a middle ground?

My solution is this: leave the current setup with bidding and guild traders essentially as it is. Then just combine all individual kiosks in each city into one mega kiosk for that city. This will let you shop all of the grahtwood vendors at the same time instead of needing to stop off at each individually. This adds quite a bit to convenience for the shopper and maintains the original premise and importance of guilds that ZoS intended. As a side bonus - if they did it this way they could easily alter the number of slots at each city if they needed to expand/contract due to the population changing.

Asherons_Call

An auction house

Timeetyo wrote: »

I'd LOVE a true AH system, but i know that there is no way that will happen. I despise the fact that to find a rare item you must go to 5 different cities checking 6 kiosks each....it is tedious and a major pain. So how about a middle ground?

My solution is this: leave the current setup with bidding and guild traders essentially as it is. Then just combine all individual kiosks in each city into one mega kiosk for that city. This will let you shop all of the grahtwood vendors at the same time instead of needing to stop off at each individually. This adds quite a bit to convenience for the shopper and maintains the original premise and importance of guilds that ZoS intended. As a side bonus - if they did it this way they could easily alter the number of slots at each city if they needed to expand/contract due to the population changing.

I'd be for this. Instead of searching 5 or 6 traders per city we could search one. We'd still have to port all over tamriel but it would be much quicker

Troneon

something else

If they built AwesomeGuildStores, AdvancedFilters and MasterMerchant addons into the game it would solve a lot of the issues people have with guild stores...

Even on console..

I mean for over a year now these "players" have been creating awesome addons and things to make the game work better and more efficient for people and the devs could of taken full advantage of it...

The only addon I have seen them copy is the "show weapons while mounted" addon...

Such a waste....most of the work is done for them and they just waste the chance to use it..

Selique

Current guild trader system

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

The current guild trader system is working fine.

This.

BabeestorGor

Current guild trader system

Troneon wrote: »

If they built AwesomeGuildStores, AdvancedFilters and MasterMerchant addons into the game it would solve a lot of the issues people have with guild stores...

Even on console..

I mean for over a year now these "players" have been creating awesome addons and things to make the game work better and more efficient for people and the devs could of taken full advantage of it...

The only addon I have seen them copy is the "show weapons while mounted" addon...

Such a waste....most of the work is done for them and they just waste the chance to use it..

This was always Bethesda's attitude as well, why fix the game when modders will for us, and when pc users were the bulk of the market they could get away with it. Hopefully the fact that console users can't use addons will force them to improve the game for both pc and console users.

Carde

An auction house

Thing is, without addons and being in at least one big/good trading guild, this system blows hard. There is nothing it offers over a global system at all other than frustration and possibly even uselessness without the two aforementioned things.

But there is no going back now. They're not going to overhaul this entire system at this point. Might as well embrace it and get yourself some addons and a big trading guild.

gard

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

The current guild trader system is working fine.

The current trader system is a huge PITA. There's nothing interesting or heroic about travelling to 10 different guild trader npcs to find the thing you need. I don't want to spend my time doing that. And I don't.

I guess if by "is fine", you mean it's ok that people like me refuse to use it, then I guess the current system "is fine."

phaseadept

An auction house

This poll might be better if there were 2 of them.

1. For console users
2. For PC/Mac users.

The Add-ons make searching the guild trader network much more efficient and useful. I spent a night looking for a recipient I needed. . . 90 minutes of searching hundreds of recipes. . . only to find it on a guild store without a trader.

The system on consoles is horrible, combined with the PC transfer access to large amounts of gold initially there's a race to get million gold bids at out of the way locations.

Lord Xanhorn

You people who think people get rich off the AH system are myopic at best. You can't only look at the supply side or the demand side. You have to look at both. The AH system shows the true equilibrium price because it doesn't have regulations and everyone participates equally.

Whenever you add regulation to the mix, things sway and the equilibrium price isn't met. The current system is regulation cause not everyone can participate equally. Therefore, people who want to exploit the system argue for the current system and people who are exploited argue for fairness.

All the same exploits that can happen under an AH system can operate even easier in the current system. Someone goes around all the stores constantly buying all Agility rings under 300k then sells them all at the most popular stores for 300k. Its the same thing as if all those same rings were on an AH and the same person were buying and reselling the same things. In this system though, the large majority of the population is only going to buy from the 6-10 most convenient stores so the likelihood of someone undercutting them is less likely since the store they may be using is out in the middle of BFE and no eyeballs are on it.

Its just economics.

Kobaal

Current guild trader system

MakeUcrazY wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Stupid system imo. Everyone should be able to sell wares equally .

You know who else wanted everyone to be able to sell wares equally? Karl Marx.

geesh you just dated yourself. Actually it's the profit of the sales that would be distributed evenly since it would be communal property being sold.

No one is asking for a Communist state here, only to partake in the Capitalist system in place. Just a little bit of a level playing field. I can walk into a state office, pick myself up a business licence, pay the same fee as everyone else, and start selling goods. I don't need to prove I have 150 friends and outbid Joe's Crawlers & Sweetrolls to set up a kiosk.

You want to "level the playing field" of a Capitalist system? An interesting concept. Sounds like something Karl Marx would say.

Tandor

An auction house

Such a core aspect of any MMO as the public trading system should be open to all players regardless of level, alliance, or other artificial restriction such as guild membership, and it should be readily usable without the need for addons especially in a game that doesn't support them across all platforms.

The present guild trader system fails in these respects and whilst I'm not committed to the idea of an auction house being the only workable alternative, I haven't yet seen a better one put forward.

jkemmery

Current guild trader system

Gaiden'Densetsu wrote: »

Only the super rich like the guild trading system. Must be republicans, jk

I like it and I'm not a republican. And I'm in game poor as heck. I spent all my gold on upgrade mats, and now, I have to do it all over again.

Austacker

An auction house

Do you like the current guild trader system?

No, it's an abomination.

All it does is segregate the economic community, confuses the hell out of the playerbase, encourages monopolies of guild traders and acts as a weak gold sink for the developers of this game.

I've played MMOs for over a decade and this is by far the worst MMO economy design choice I've ever seen.

BlueGreenMikey

something else

Troneon wrote: »

If they built AwesomeGuildStores, AdvancedFilters and MasterMerchant addons into the game it would solve a lot of the issues people have with guild stores...

Even on console..

I mean for over a year now these "players" have been creating awesome addons and things to make the game work better and more efficient for people and the devs could of taken full advantage of it...

I feel like this might be my most common complaint about the game. When you make a PC game like this and allow mods and add-ons, you don't have to make the game completely perfect and well-formed. You can omit stuff, and someone else will swoop in, for fun!, and fix your game for you. For free. That model not only doesn't work on consoles, it is blocked from happening. Which means that ZOS needed to get the game to a fully-formed state prior to a console release. As is evident from many of the UI issues (not only the trader system), they merely kept a port of the base game, almost forgetting (or turning a blind eye to) the fact that many, many serious ESO players used numerous add-ons to fix the problems with the base UI.

I agree 100%. If UI fixes were implemented, and only UI fixes, ESO would garner a lot fewer complaints.

That said, who knows when, or even if, ZOS will get around to improving the UI for consoles. The primary focus seems to be on DLC all the time now, so maybe never.

Colosso-monstro

An auction house

Kobaal wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Stupid system imo. Everyone should be able to sell wares equally .

You know who else wanted everyone to be able to sell wares equally? Karl Marx.

What's the point of this comment? It's not even actually accurate even if it did make sense

BlueGreenMikey

something else

Colosso-monstro wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Stupid system imo. Everyone should be able to sell wares equally .

You know who else wanted everyone to be able to sell wares equally? Karl Marx.

What's the point of this comment? It's not even actually accurate even if it did make sense

Someone had to get us to the Marx Addendum to Godwin's Law at some point. It is an economic Internet discussion, after all.

NGP

Troneon wrote: »

If they built AwesomeGuildStores, AdvancedFilters and MasterMerchant addons into the game it would solve a lot of the issues people have with guild stores...

Even on console..

I mean for over a year now these "players" have been creating awesome addons and things to make the game work better and more efficient for people and the devs could of taken full advantage of it...

The only addon I have seen them copy is the "show weapons while mounted" addon...

Such a waste....most of the work is done for them and they just waste the chance to use it..

I think the company is encouraging the addon developing. Thus they can't just rip those research and work off from addon developers.

Zorrashi

Current guild trader system

While I certainly agree that certain additions/changes can and should be made on the current system, I do not want it replaced with an AH.

I'll admit that AHs are convenient (supremely so), but I would gladly trade that convenience for the dynamic that the current system provides. As a person who barely makes 5k a week in sales (as I barely ever gain access to a kiosk) I like the various methods of trade I can employ in order to make a reasonable profit regardless.
It is not simply a matter of who has access to the top end-game content or who can farm the most anymore, supply and demand are regional and individual markets actually differ and fluctuate between each other to the point that if I put in some effort, I can make a decent profit.

Improvements however would be appreciated. Like a search bar, or more informative mail info about who bought what. I would also prefer if there was some other method for non-guildies to partake in the market (beyond zone chat). Be it a random raffle or buyable storefronts, I'm sure there is a way to integrate them into the system.

Krayor

something else

Tankqull wrote: »

Gaiden'Densetsu wrote: »

Only the super rich like the guild trading system. Must be republicans, jk

itsactually the other way round - only the super rich like the global AH as only them are able to monopolize a certain good and supress any attempt in undercutting them.

only in the current system you are able to find a bargain regularily...

No, actually those who like to play the market ("the super rich") are the ones who like the current system provided they have the guild connections. It takes far less effort to manipulate the current system to one's advantage because markets are fragmented. Fewer people with access to sell means less competition, easier to corner markets. Market information is harder to come by, and a less informed populous means easier to manipulate market values. People are generally pressed for time, or have the tendency to be lazy, so people will tend to take the easier path and just buy items in the first area they find them in. Meaning that there will always be someone to buy at markup prices either in ignorance or just plain laziness.

That is a major rarity in more open and centralized markets. There is much more competition to deal with since everyone has access. Much, much more difficult to corner markets. Prices tend to be far more competitive. Items also tend to be not nearly as rare in ESO. Someone could elect to buy out the competition, but at much higher risk of having to deal with further competition and market depreciation (resulting in lost revenue) then with the current system. Market information is much easier to come by, so there is generally a more informed populous, making it much tougher to manipulate market values. An open and centralized market is conveniently accessible making it an easy path by default. The "general laziness of people" factor is, therefore, irrelevant in an open and centralized system.

I'm sure there are even more factors that can be analyzed to prove the current system is far more conducive to playing the market (and getting super rich). Bottom line is: if you want to play the market and become super rich, you want the current system provided you have the guild connections (which is likely going to be the case for someone who does this activity). You definitely DO NOT want an open and centralized system, such as an AH would provide. It would take WAY MORE effort in that kind of system. In fact, if you have access to the right guild connections, it takes little effort at all to play the market in the current system, it's a lazier system.

I don't know if you people (the ones who keep insisting that auction houses are inherently "evil") are deliberately attempting to falsify the facts in an effort to keep the status quo, or are just insanely ignorant of what you're talking about.

Lamiai

Current guild trader system

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Lamiai wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Lamiai wrote: »

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

For the hundreth time...No the current guild system is terrible and only helps the people with access at the top. In Rawlka there's what 6 guild traders and another 6 in Grahtwood? So from an AD perspective maybe there's 12 guild traders you would go to to buy from....that's at a max 6000 people. And if you want to sell something and you aren't apart of the 6000 people, well you might as well vendor it or spam zone.

So by conservative numbers say there's 100k people playing on NA/PC. Assuming an equal split, that's 33,000 people in AD (probably way more than that) and you only have access to at most 6000 people's wares. What about the other 27000?!?

So if you're part of the 6k, then sure...the system works great and you sell your wares without the competition of everyone else. But if you're not, the economy isn't available to you.

Each zone city center has a trade area with at least 6 stores, every zone also shares same trade store, take the time to visit them if you want to become an active trader, finish cadwell's silver and gold then you can visit EVERY trade store in every zone.

Active traders visit all stores to buy and sell, you need put the effort in as well

Boy that sounds fun! Traveling all over tamriel for hours on end searching through each trader! I just peed in excitement

Use the addon AwesomeGuildStore, you can check a store in seconds for decent priced items, takes me about 20-30 mins to visit a majority of store in one round, and in that 30 mins i can turn a bigger profit then someone who spends 2 hours picking containers, thieving etc.

You clearly have never attempted to be a trader in this game, the traders like how it is, if you want to make gold in this game its beyond easy, you just have to use your brain and be clued in as to what will be popular/ sell fast etc.

Addon? Oh I see you have me confused with a PC player. I wish I didn't transfer over to ps4 but alas that is too late. I'm playing the ugly stepchild version of ESO - USESO

my condolences.

Callous2208

Current guild trader system

Krayor wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Gaiden'Densetsu wrote: »

Only the super rich like the guild trading system. Must be republicans, jk

I don't know if you people (the ones who keep insisting that auction houses are inherently "evil") are deliberately attempting to falsify the facts in an effort to keep the status quo, or are just insanely ignorant of what you're talking about.

Funny, I am of the opinion the people for a Global AH are the ones trying to deliberately falsify the facts, or just insanely ignorant of what they are talking about. I am yet to see a large mmo with global AH that doesn't have the same 3 names selling every stack of mats and rare items. I am yet to reproduce my success with this system in any global AH without turning myself into a rare item grinder and living inside the AH sniping deals and flipping them for profit instead of playing the actual game. I am yet to come across any of the amazing deals I find in this system in a global AH with every item listed together, for the same price.

This system works. People are afraid of change and don't want to try it because it takes a bit more effort to get going at first. Some people are lazy and enjoy standing next to the AH all day hitting refresh. Some people want no socialization in an mmo and hate the fact they have to join a trading guild and perhaps on rare occasion communicate with another human being. These are the facts.

NGP

Callous2208 wrote: »

Krayor wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Gaiden'Densetsu wrote: »

Only the super rich like the guild trading system. Must be republicans, jk

I don't know if you people (the ones who keep insisting that auction houses are inherently "evil") are deliberately attempting to falsify the facts in an effort to keep the status quo, or are just insanely ignorant of what you're talking about.

Funny, I am of the opinion the people for a Global AH are the ones trying to deliberately falsify the facts, or just insanely ignorant of what they are talking about. I am yet to see a large mmo with global AH that doesn't have the same 3 names selling every stack of mats and rare items. I am yet to reproduce my success with this system in any global AH without turning myself into a rare item grinder and living inside the AH sniping deals and flipping them for profit instead of playing the actual game. I am yet to come across any of the amazing deals I find in this system in a global AH with every item listed together, for the same price.

This system works. People are afraid of change and don't want to try it because it takes a bit more effort to get going at first. Some people are lazy and enjoy standing next to the AH all day hitting refresh. Some people want no socialization in an mmo and hate the fact they have to join a trading guild and perhaps on rare occasion communicate with another human being. These are the facts.

That's why the other option is an auction house, ppl could place higher bids. Like the one in WOW.
And btw, that's your choice of way to play games. It wouldn't prevent other new members or casual players to sell their stuff.

Malmai

An auction house

Just get us AH already...

phairdon

An auction house

RatedChaotic wrote: »

Dont really care for this type of trading system.

When selling items takes that much time and effort. The vendor can have my items.
Im not going to sit there and try to sell this item there and this item there. To me it a waste of valueable gaming time.

This

k2blader

An auction house

Auction house is winning because most of the playerbase is not in a guild trader monopoly guild, just wants to easily buy/sell their stuff and get on with playing the game.