Is anything going to be done about puncturing strikes?

Gern_Verkheart

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Zheg

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

tinythinker

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

Through is better, and they can't block while using the ability so any CC is going to be really effective.

Xeniph

Or you can just wear 5x Heavy and just eat them. They hit pathetically low with good mitigation.

manny254

Yes because they are only in a channel that makes them 100% open to be cc or damaged by anything.

Gern_Verkheart

Everyone talks like there is nothing wrong here, but a templar is soloing 3 of us in Crackwood cave right now, and he is almost exclusively just spamming puncturing sweep, thatTemplar ultimate( I think it's called eclipse) and the shield from healing staff. That is it. And he is cleaning the floor with us. I know Im not very good at PvP, but one person shouldn't be able to solo 3 people over and over again when they are only using 3 abilities.

Ara_Valleria

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Everyone talks like there is nothing wrong here, but a templar is soloing 3 of us in Crackwood cave right now, and he is almost exclusively just spamming puncturing sweep, thatTemplar ultimate( I think it's called eclipse) and the shield from healing staff. That is it. And he is cleaning the floor with us. I know Im not very good at PvP, but one person shouldn't be able to solo 3 people over and over again when they are only using 3 abilities.

Cinnamon_Spider

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Everyone talks like there is nothing wrong here, but a templar is soloing 3 of us in Crackwood cave right now, and he is almost exclusively just spamming puncturing sweep, thatTemplar ultimate( I think it's called eclipse) and the shield from healing staff. That is it. And he is cleaning the floor with us. I know Im not very good at PvP, but one person shouldn't be able to solo 3 people over and over again when they are only using 3 abilities.

The only thing wrong is that three of you can't take down one player. That isn't the fault of Puncturing Sweep.

Gern_Verkheart

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Everyone talks like there is nothing wrong here, but a templar is soloing 3 of us in Crackwood cave right now, and he is almost exclusively just spamming puncturing sweep, thatTemplar ultimate( I think it's called eclipse) and the shield from healing staff. That is it. And he is cleaning the floor with us. I know Im not very good at PvP, but one person shouldn't be able to solo 3 people over and over again when they are only using 3 abilities.

The only thing wrong is that three of you can't take down one player. That isn't the fault of Puncturing Sweep.

It's not like we are standing in one spot for him to spam it on us. Ive tried asking people how to counter it, but the only response I ever get is "L2P, don't stand in front of him, hurr hurr." It's really annoying.

I get it, it's a "noob tube." But Im a bit of a noob to PvP, so how do I counter them?

Glarin

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

This is how you counter them

Ara_Valleria

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

Xeniph wrote: »

Or you can just wear 5x Heavy and just eat them. They hit pathetically low with good mitigation.

Glarin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

This is how you counter them

I hear what you guys are saying.... But how do I REALLY REALLY counter them ?

#Hao2CounterWithoutSkills?
#UseNerfBat

coryrenick_ESO

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

Xeniph wrote: »

Or you can just wear 5x Heavy and just eat them. They hit pathetically low with good mitigation.

Glarin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

This is how you counter them

I hear what you guys are saying.... But how do I REALLY REALLY counter them ?




#Hao2CounterWithoutSkills?
#UseNerfBat

Don't be such ***. Can easily be that the Templar is built to counter, or knows how to counter the exact things you're suggesting, so from the perspective of the person asking for advice, the advice does nothing. And Gern will be right in telling you to *** off when you try to hammer "lol l2p" yet again. Don't forget that these counters aren't really hard counters.

Gern_Verkheart

I always make sure to try and stay behind them, but they usually aren't an idiot either and they don't just stand in one spot spamming the ability. They move when I move and all they have to do is spam the ability while they move and hit me a couple times out of 10 with it for a lot of damage and a CC. I do try to use wrecking blow against them, but even when I do get a few off on them, they simply heal through the damage.

Ara_Valleria

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

Xeniph wrote: »

Or you can just wear 5x Heavy and just eat them. They hit pathetically low with good mitigation.

Glarin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Walk through them, or sidestep. You're still in melee range, they're hitting air; you're welcome.

asneakybanana wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Try wrecking blow against jabs spammers
The cc and damage is really strong againSt it.

This is how you counter them

I hear what you guys are saying.... But how do I REALLY REALLY counter them ?




#Hao2CounterWithoutSkills?
#UseNerfBat

Don't be such ***. Can easily be that the Templar is built to counter, or knows how to counter the exact things you're suggesting, so from the perspective of the person asking for advice, the advice does nothing. And Gern will be right in telling you to *** off when you try to hammer "lol l2p" yet again. Don't forget that these counters aren't really hard counters.

Whoa ! So aggressive !
Sounds like you have been told to "L2P" by way too many people, a bit too many times

I suggest you listen to them and L2P

cazlonb16_ESO

During the channel the Templar is completely open. Hard cc and burst him down. Yea, it's harder now than in 1.6, but hardly impossible.

If you're getting killed by Puncturing Sweeps spam I would suggest to reexamine your entire setup as well. The dps of that ability is pathetic and if you can't live through that, you won't stand a chance against any somewhat experienced and competent player.

If you need some ideas how to construct some good builds, check out the forums over at tamrielfoundry.com. This forum here is unfortunately not very helpful.

JDar

Xeniph wrote: »

Or you can just wear 5x Heavy and just eat them. They hit pathetically low with good mitigation.

No thanks, I actually like having magicka.

Joy_Division

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Everyone talks like there is nothing wrong here, but a templar is soloing 3 of us in Crackwood cave right now, and he is almost exclusively just spamming puncturing sweep, thatTemplar ultimate( I think it's called eclipse) and the shield from healing staff. That is it. And he is cleaning the floor with us. I know Im not very good at PvP, but one person shouldn't be able to solo 3 people over and over again when they are only using 3 abilities.

The only thing wrong is that three of you can't take down one player. That isn't the fault of Puncturing Sweep.

It's not like we are standing in one spot for him to spam it on us. Ive tried asking people how to counter it, but the only response I ever get is "L2P, don't stand in front of him, hurr hurr." It's really annoying.

I get it, it's a "noob tube." But Im a bit of a noob to PvP, so how do I counter them?

I'm not sure what you expected.

You did NOT ask how to counter the ability. Look at the title of your post and the OP. That's saying: ZoS please nerf this, I can't beat it.

trimsic_ESO

While I agree that there is some way to counter Puncturing Sweep (CC, walk through the attacker, ...), this ability is still OP. It's the only ability they use in the sewers against pack of mobs, and they really don't need to use any other ability. That's a really poor meta game.

caeliusstarbreaker

Have you tried not standing in front of them?

baddabumb16_ESO

healdebuff, movement, range and cc are more than enough to conter.

Lettigall

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

While I agree that there is some way to counter Puncturing Sweep (CC, walk through the attacker, ...), this ability is still OP. It's the only ability they use in the sewers against pack of mobs, and they really don't need to use any other ability. That's a really poor meta game.

Templars have only 3 dps skills in class tree and of course best of them will be used often. And what's so OP about this skill? That it can kill weak mobs and players who haven't learned to be mobile in fight? It's so OP that you even don't need to use any skills, spend no resources to counter it, just walk pass the templar.

This skill is same as it was in 1.6 only difference is that IC brought pve players to pvp zone.

Laggus

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

I have 22k phys resist and 25k spell resist..i got CC'd and spam jabbed to death before i could break the CC. Death recap was 5.5k per spam. God knows how much that would melt medium and light armour wearers. It needs more toning down. PTS was the same and they toned it a little but obviously not enough.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Did OP really admit he was new to PvP and yet started a thread asking for a nerf to an ability he doesn't understand how to counter?

Is this real life?? This feels like it belongs in a textbook as an example of L2P/Nerf dynamics.

baddabumb16_ESO

other skills make lot more damage as 5,5 and without channel.

Docmandu

Don't think this post would be all that much different if an NB or DK or Sorc stepped into CWC.

manny254

Laggus wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

I have 22k phys resist and 25k spell resist..i got CC'd and spam jabbed to death before i could break the CC. Death recap was 5.5k per spam. God knows how much that would melt medium and light armour wearers. It needs more toning down. PTS was the same and they toned it a little but obviously not enough.

Uh I assure you that it is very unlikely that someone is hitting for 5.5k per jab. The number on the death recap is the total amount of damage dealt from the entire channel. My templar has some crazy stats right now (36k Stamina 3.9k weapon power), and I could only ever hope to hit npc's for 5k per jab.

Alcast

Laggus wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

I have 22k phys resist and 25k spell resist..i got CC'd and spam jabbed to death before i could break the CC. Death recap was 5.5k per spam. God knows how much that would melt medium and light armour wearers. It needs more toning down. PTS was the same and they toned it a little but obviously not enough.

it is IMPOSSIBLE to get 5,5k/jab.
Sometimes when there is lag, it counts 2 jabs as 1.


Wblow if the far bigger issue atm. I just got 3x Wblowed at the same time from 3 different ppl..lolz

danno8

Anyone who is asking for a nerf to Templars in any way does in fact need to L2P. I can help you with some advice OP:

Have 1 of your friends do nothing but spam an immobilize (like the Bow line Arrow Spray morph that anyone can use) and the Templar will be frozen facing the wrong direction and you can just circle strafe them or walk through them to stay out of the sweeps. There will be nothing he can do but dodge roll (which will kill his stamina) or cleanse ( which will kill his DPS), either way he will go down eventually.

Junipus

Would probably help OP, to know about your class and build so those of us who are helpful can offer practical solutions based on information.

Alucardo

So far I've seen posts claiming ALL classes are OP and need to be nerfed. I guess this means we're at a good balance. Well done, ZOS - I think you've managed the impossible: class balance in an MMO.