[Build] Update 2.1 - Stamina DK Tank/DPS for PvP & PvE!

fishermanyellow

Very informative. I believe I'll give werewolf a go, though I think it might take some time before I master it as well as Lefty Lucy.

iseko

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DaveMoeDee wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Cost reduction > Recovery

At least in most cases.

I would think with heavy cp investment that 2 regen glyphs would coubter the diminished returns of cost reduction glyphs. They buffed regen enough for it to be worth it i think

Why would cost reduction glyphs have diminishing returns?

It's because of the way how they work (or used to work, but it doesn't look like as they changed it): cost recution (absolute numbers) is calculated from the base value. The % reduction you may have applies after that.

So, lets take a skill with 1000 base cost. A cost recution glyph of 200 would bring it to 800, and a cost reduction of 10% to 720.

If you use two cost recution glpyhs for a total of 400, you'd be at 600; 10% cost reduction brings you too 540 - not the 520 you might expect.

So technically it's not the glyphs that have a diminishing return, but the combination of absolute and percentage-based cost recution leads to a DR.

@Lefty_Lucy basically what this guy said. You still think with 2 med pieces and CP invested in stam reduction cost, enchanting for reduction is the way to go?

I would think 1-2 weapon enchants and 1-2 stam regen in combination with 2MA and CP in cost reduction would benefit more no? Honest to god question because I have not done the math. Since CP system I just always stay away from cost reduction enchantments. The multiplicative effect of regen increase seems more beneficial (in my head).

ZeFeZ

@Lefty_Lucy Do you reckon this would work?

2 Heavy / Night Silince
5 Medium / Hundings Rage

Two Handed Agility Sword
1 Handed / Shield Agility

Agility Necklace
2 Hawks Ring

Do you think that setup would work? If so any tips on what you would change and what enchancements you won't use? Or any other changes?

Lefty_Lucy

iseko wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy basically what this guy said. You still think with 2 med pieces and CP invested in stam reduction cost, enchanting for reduction is the way to go?

I would think 1-2 weapon enchants and 1-2 stam regen in combination with 2MA and CP in cost reduction would benefit more no? Honest to god question because I have not done the math. Since CP system I just always stay away from cost reduction enchantments. The multiplicative effect of regen increase seems more beneficial (in my head).

I've only run the numbers for regen enchantments vs cost reduction enchantments. Cost reduction enchants are better in my opinion. It all comes down to how frequently you spend your stamina. Most people spam abilities, and in those instances, cost reduction is better.

I would think this naturally extends to the champion tree as well.

That being said, I invest both in cost reduction and stamina regen in the champion trees (to avoid getting hit too hard with diminishing returns).

ZeFeZ wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy Do you reckon this would work?

2 Heavy / Night Silince
5 Medium / Hundings Rage

Two Handed Agility Sword
1 Handed / Shield Agility

Agility Necklace
2 Hawks Ring

Do you think that setup would work? If so any tips on what you would change and what enchancements you won't use? Or any other changes?

This is one of my go-to recommendations. I think you will find some good success with this setup.

Tomato

Do you suggest running 7 heavy as a solo player for 1vX and 5 medium / 2 heavy for group / duo's? I also like to run 2H / DW over 2H / S&B

Mr-jo-handsome

@Lefty_Lucy what about 2 heavy night silence and night silence 2h plus night silence dual weild. 5 medium willows path with 3 agility jewelry and werewolf?

ZeFeZ

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iseko wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy basically what this guy said. You still think with 2 med pieces and CP invested in stam reduction cost, enchanting for reduction is the way to go?

I would think 1-2 weapon enchants and 1-2 stam regen in combination with 2MA and CP in cost reduction would benefit more no? Honest to god question because I have not done the math. Since CP system I just always stay away from cost reduction enchantments. The multiplicative effect of regen increase seems more beneficial (in my head).

I've only run the numbers for regen enchantments vs cost reduction enchantments. Cost reduction enchants are better in my opinion. It all comes down to how frequently you spend your stamina. Most people spam abilities, and in those instances, cost reduction is better.

I would think this naturally extends to the champion tree as well.

That being said, I invest both in cost reduction and stamina regen in the champion trees (to avoid getting hit too hard with diminishing returns).

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ZeFeZ wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy Do you reckon this would work?

2 Heavy / Night Silince
5 Medium / Hundings Rage

Two Handed Agility Sword
1 Handed / Shield Agility

Agility Necklace
2 Hawks Ring

Do you think that setup would work? If so any tips on what you would change and what enchancements you won't use? Or any other changes?

This is one of my go-to recommendations. I think you will find some good success with this setup.

@Lefty_Lucy What Enchancements would you use on the equipment?

Lefty_Lucy

Swiift wrote: »

Do you suggest running 7 heavy as a solo player for 1vX and 5 medium / 2 heavy for group / duo's? I also like to run 2H / DW over 2H / S&B

I recommend 5 heavy 2 medium for both situations. 2H / DW is very nice too

Mr-jo-handsome wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy what about 2 heavy night silence and night silence 2h plus night silence dual weild. 5 medium willows path with 3 agility jewelry and werewolf?

I would replace Wiows Path with Hundings Rage. Your regen should be sufficient just by using Srink buffs. Other than that it's a nice setup!

ZeFeZ wrote: »

@Lefty_Lucy What Enchancements would you use on the equipment?

I like the new Prismatic enchantments, but I am currently using Stamina enchantments until I get the prismatic ones.

Legedric

Just a short video (my first ever ESO video /cheers) of me doing some roaming in IC with this build (as a vampire/human):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCLR66dntso

My gear setup is pretty much the same as Lucy's:
5 Heavy, 1 Medium, 1 Light

Armor:
2/2 Engine Guardian
5/5 Black Rose

Jewelry:
2 Agility Rings
1 Potentate's Necklace

Weapons:
Agility Greatsword (2H)

Agility Sword (1H)
Potentate's Shield

fishermanyellow

I see the reasoning behind not using green dragon blood but what about dragon reflect scale? Not worth it?

Legedric

Costs too much Magicka for a Stamina build. If you still want to reflect Meteors for example I'd recommend using the S&B skill devensive Stance with a morph that suits you best.

But at least my experience is you don't need any of it as you usually just eat it and continue to fight even without it

Lefty_Lucy

Legedric wrote: »

Just a short video (my first ever ESO video /cheers) of me doing some roaming in IC with this build (as a vampire/human):

My gear setup is pretty much the same as Lucy's:
5 Heavy, 1 Medium, 1 Light

Armor:
2/2 Engine Guardian
5/5 Black Rose

Jewelry:
2 Agility Rings
1 Potentate's Necklace

Weapons:
Agility Greatsword (2H)

Agility Sword (1H)
Potentate's Shield

Awesome combat man! And I love the spin you put on the build. Very well done.

fishermanyellow wrote: »

I see the reasoning behind not using green dragon blood but what about dragon reflect scale? Not worth it?

Reflects are very nice, but I personally find them a little too niche to take up one of my skill slots. When fighting any melee player in PvP, your reflect is essentially a useless skill slot. That being said, it is often beneficial to switch to a reflect when you know you are fighting a ranged class. I do this sometimes by replacing Burning Breath with Reflective Scales or Defensive Posture.

B1GREDMONSTER

Why did you choose fossilize over talons because almost every group will have someone with good dot or simply hit them and constantly set them free also talons can trap multiple opponents or is it intended for pve or 1v1 PvP to give you a break or time to escape a fight?

Lefty_Lucy

B1GREDMONSTER wrote: »

Why did you choose fossilize over talons because almost every group will have someone with good dot or simply hit them and constantly set them free also talons can trap multiple opponents or is it intended for pve or 1v1 PvP to give you a break or time to escape a fight?

I chose fossilize for 1v1 usage. You can certainly swap this out for talons if you prefer to do so!

fishermanyellow

I like using fossilize due to the fact it immobilizes them after the stun is finished, so it causes the enemy to use a break free + a dodge roll.

Lefty_Lucy

Many people have asked for gameplay examples of this build. I updated the original post to add some PvP commentary using this build.

For those who don't want to go back to page 1, it's right here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szbdlWWP7c8

npavelal

LeftyLucy,

Help!

I've planned my build around this as closely as I can being a Templar. The main difference is that I've tried to sustain by slotting a vampire skill (bats) for 10% regen, Repentance for 10% regen, and made sure to have an aedric spear for the damage buffs.

http://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/templar/5-till-dawn/3893/

My main problem is that I seem to be made out of butter. I'm broke so my armor is only v15 blue, but my phys/spell resists top out at about 25k with unstoppable up. Just the same, though, I just melt in combat.

Do you (or anyone else) see what I'm doing wrong? I have trouble solo'ing IC PvE against even two opponents. PvP, 1v1, I couldn't even seem to damage a DK before he had me dead. I see your video where you tank through the assaults of a 1v4 PvP and I'm just not sure what I'm doing differently.

Thanks for any advice!

Tyrix

What passives are you supposed to use?

Bonus question: why doesnt any builds includes passives..?

Vanzen

Tyrix wrote: »

What passives are you supposed to use?

Bonus question: why doesnt any builds includes passives..?

Because its implied at some point that all passive are unlocked.

Tyrix

Vanzen wrote: »

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Tyrix wrote: »

What passives are you supposed to use?

Bonus question: why doesnt any builds includes passives..?

Because its implied at some point that all passive are unlocked.

What? Can you unlock every passive there is and skill them? And at the same time have the actives skilled?

Sorry I am new to Eso and some things are confusing, most MMOs have a clear path as of how to skill and quite locked, but since Eso is so free.. It's confusing

Lefty_Lucy

npavelal wrote: »

LeftyLucy,

Help!

I've planned my build around this as closely as I can being a Templar. The main difference is that I've tried to sustain by slotting a vampire skill (bats) for 10% regen, Repentance for 10% regen, and made sure to have an aedric spear for the damage buffs.

http://www.eso-skillfactory.com/en/build/templar/5-till-dawn/3893/

My main problem is that I seem to be made out of butter. I'm broke so my armor is only v15 blue, but my phys/spell resists top out at about 25k with unstoppable up. Just the same, though, I just melt in combat.

Do you (or anyone else) see what I'm doing wrong? I have trouble solo'ing IC PvE against even two opponents. PvP, 1v1, I couldn't even seem to damage a DK before he had me dead. I see your video where you tank through the assaults of a 1v4 PvP and I'm just not sure what I'm doing differently.

Thanks for any advice!

Hey bud! I have a few suggestions.

I've noticed your skill bars have doubled-up abilities. You have Biting Jabs and Repentance on both bars. This is really pulling you down. We don't have a lot of ability slots to work with in ESO, so doubling up on your skills is not advised.

I also see that your only CC right now is Biting Jabs. This is an unreliable CC because it has a long cast time. You might try using Binding Javelin on one of your bars for an instant cast CC. This will stop your opponent from damaging you for a short period of time (which will help you stay alive), and it will also force them to break CC, which will reduce their stamina pool.

I also notice that you don't have Vigor on your bars. Vigor will help with survival significantly. You may not have Vigor yet, but since it is only rank 5, it won't be too bad to get. I suggest putting Vigor in place of one of your Repentance skill slots. You can use Breath of Life in the meantime, but Vigor will be much better for you since your Breath of Life is a magicka based heal, and you are building a stamina templar.

Tyrix wrote: »

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Vanzen wrote: »

Tyrix wrote: »

What passives are you supposed to use?

Bonus question: why doesnt any builds includes passives..?

Because its implied at some point that all passive are unlocked.

What? Can you unlock every passive there is and skill them? And at the same time have the actives skilled?

Sorry I am new to Eso and some things are confusing, most MMOs have a clear path as of how to skill and quite locked, but since Eso is so free.. It's confusing

Yes, you can unlock all passives in this game and still have enough skills for abilities. Get all of your class, weapon, race, and armor passives!

Tyrix

Lefty_Lucy wrote: »

Yes, you can unlock all passives in this game and still have enough skills for abilities. Get all of your class, weapon, race, and armor passives!

Thank you sir for the reply, btw, which morph do you recommend on Dragon Leap?

B1GREDMONSTER

Is there a alternative way to obtain the hawks eye ring so that it's purple or orange VR16 or can it only be obtained as blue VR14 or lower

Legedric

No, all the AP gear only exists in VR14 max and the Hawk Eye rings are only blue at max.

Legedric

I just uploaded another video I am using this build in (without werewolf). I still like this build very much as it's not the usual 2h Wrecking Blow no-brainer build and it is somewhat easy to use in my opinion IF you get used to the animation cancelling.

It is really tanky and you barely get out of resources without even "managing" them too much. Of course it lacks some burst (especially without werewolf) but you can still pretty much outlast every class in a 1v1.

Hope you enjoy it.

Lefty_Lucy

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Lefty_Lucy wrote: »

Yes, you can unlock all passives in this game and still have enough skills for abilities. Get all of your class, weapon, race, and armor passives!

Thank you sir for the reply, btw, which morph do you recommend on Dragon Leap?

Sorry for the delay - I like Ferocious Leap because it helps me survive with the fat damage shield.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

@Lefty_Lucy nice build dude. Do you think this can be adapted to templars ? If yes, how would you achieve this ?

jayuk09

Which crafted set are good for this build

steff127b16_ESO

Ahoi there

First off, I just love this build, it's awesome to watch :P
But since I'm currently in the leveling phase, and not yet far enough to rock this build, I got a question about races for this build or stam dks in general, before I progress too far to start over again (don't have that amount of time)
I know questions like this have been asked a hundred times already, but I haven't gotten a conclusive answer yet
How seriously would I gimp myself if i went with the altmer race for this build or stam dk? Due to RP-reasons and personal reasons (just LOVE the race) I would rather not give up on my altmer dk :-/ I just wanna be a normal player who has fun/gets invited for trials/endgame dungeons, so my goal is not to top the leaderscores :P just wanna be competitive on a 'normal' niveau, if you get my meaning
Also, to make it easier for me, would you mind rating the effectiveness of an altmer dk on a scale from 1 to 10 with 10 being optimal? :P
Hope you guys can help me

actosh

For being competitive in a normal way u can also play argonian, so i see no reason for u to change races.
Conclusive answer: Stick with your Altmer. There may be better Races for Stam Dk, but since u like the Race just keep on playin.

I play an Imperial because i like them. I would also play Redguard for that nice Stamreturn when playin with Ac. On a 30k Stampool it is Basicly every 3 sec 900stam u get. With Ac all the time it would be a 18k stamreturn per Minute(rough calculation).