Numbers Win

Darlgon

Sanct16 wrote: »

I think its too soon to really tell how the patch changes group fights but I think its safe to say that ZOS definetly wants to encourage playing with a full raid.

A full raid where 12 people get lots of TV stones and the rest get scraps.

PainfulFAFA

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Whoever has the most players wins. No need for skill or strategy, just add more people to your group and win.

I agree.
They still went forward with insta cast proxidet idea when it could've made more sense doing it to the other morph. In the following weeks once this IC hype settles down you're gonna see zergs fighting against zergs with that. The winner will be decided by:
a) who timed it better or,
b) who has the most numbers

bowmanz607

Sanct16 wrote: »

I think its too soon to really tell how the patch changes group fights but I think its safe to say that ZOS definetly wants to encourage playing with a full raid.

Just no. Wrong. It is inherent in the changes

Manoekin

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Whoever has the most players wins. No need for skill or strategy, just add more people to your group and win.

I agree.
They still went forward with insta cast proxidet idea when it could've made more sense doing it to the other morph. In the following weeks once this IC hype settles down you're gonna see zergs fighting against zergs with that. The winner will be decided by:
a) who timed it better or,
b) who has the most numbers

I like the instant cast on prox det, and one thing I think people aren't considering is if lag does happen having it instant cast means it could work through the lag where it didn't with the cast time.

Lesspa

Can we please get a full raid of misting vamps who all time prox det perfectly? Pwetty pwease? and upload it to the tubez.

Ishammael

Lesspa wrote: »

Can we please get a full raid of misting vamps who all time prox det perfectly? Pwetty pwease? and upload it to the tubez.

oh my gawsh... i am gonna do this.

Kilandros

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Whoever has the most players wins. No need for skill or strategy, just add more people to your group and win.

Agree 100%. Combat is a joke now.

Alucardo

I just had a 30 minute fight with another Nightblade. 2 of my team mates joined in - she killed them both. After the 30 minutes we both gave up and went our separate ways. Considering this is my second day in Cyrodiil I have to ask.. is that normal? After the fight it felt like my eyes were bleeding and I was excessively dehydrated. Started grinding just for something mind numbing to do for a while.

Darlgon

Alucardo wrote: »

I just had a 30 minute fight with another Nightblade. 2 of my team mates joined in - she killed them both. After the 30 minutes we both gave up and went our separate ways. Considering this is my second day in Cyrodiil I have to ask.. is that normal? After the fight it felt like my eyes were bleeding and I was excessively dehydrated. Started grinding just for something mind numbing to do for a while.

Lol. Old normal, No.. New normal.. yes, pretty much. But,, grtz on surviving since you are new to Cyro. Your opponent must have been pretty skilled to kill your other two mates so quickly.

Alucardo

Darlgon wrote: »

Lol. Old normal, No.. New normal.. yes, pretty much. But,, grtz on surviving since you are new to Cyro. Your opponent must have been pretty skilled to kill your other two mates so quickly.

She/he was, yeah. The 30 minutes was me basically defending myself and not dealing much damage at all. They got me down to 50% a couple of times, but it quickly regenerated after healing ward, soul tether, swallow soul and a few crits. Burnt through my remaining 17 magicka potions relatively quickly. Half way through I had to rely on heavy resto attacks to restore some magicka while jumping around keeping healing ward and harness magic up. The first 5 mins was pretty exciting. After about 10 or so she stopped - I assume to reskill - then we continued. Another 20 minutes and we just went in different directions. That was my first solo experience and I'm not sure what to think.. it was fun, but draining at the same time. Anyway, my original point was, she managed to take out a small group quite easily by herself. The 2 guys that joined me dropped like flies.

Ezareth

Alucardo wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Lol. Old normal, No.. New normal.. yes, pretty much. But,, grtz on surviving since you are new to Cyro. Your opponent must have been pretty skilled to kill your other two mates so quickly.

She/he was, yeah. The 30 minutes was me basically defending myself and not dealing much damage at all. They got me down to 50% a couple of times, but it quickly regenerated after healing ward, soul tether, swallow soul and a few crits. Burnt through my remaining 17 magicka potions relatively quickly. Half way through I had to rely on heavy resto attacks to restore some magicka while jumping around keeping healing ward and harness magic up. The first 5 mins was pretty exciting. After about 10 or so she stopped - I assume to reskill - then we continued. Another 20 minutes and we just went in different directions. That was my first solo experience and I'm not sure what to think.. it was fun, but draining at the same time. Anyway, my original point was, she managed to take out a small group quite easily by herself. The 2 guys that joined me dropped like flies.

Sounds like Bee to me ( =

1 v X is still possible in some cases depending on your opponents but fighting a magicka nightblade is pretty tough for any class other than another nightblade right now due to cloak.

Alucardo

Ezareth wrote: »

Sounds like Bee to me ( =

She was a level 48 or 49 vampire/magicka nb in the non-vet campaign.. started with a "V" I believe. If you do know them, tell em I said good fight xD

Ezareth

Alucardo wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Sounds like Bee to me ( =

She was a level 48 or 49 vampire/magicka nb in the non-vet campaign.. started with a "V" I believe. If you do know them, tell em I said good fight xD

Ahh, then that isn't who I was thinking it was.

I did notice a level 49 DC nightblade running around last night doing very well which surprised me. I wonder if when they changed the Vet battle levelling if they unintentionally overbuffed lower level chars?

What is your level/class if I may ask?

CN_Daniel

Tell the banana team we've been 'chating' with in Azura who has 40-60 people "numbers always win".

An organized team of 24 is enough to deal with anything now. Over that and we're just being a bully.

Alucardo

Ezareth wrote: »

What is your level/class if I may ask?

Sure. My main is a VR2 sorc (just pve currently). But I started a magicka nightblade a couple of days ago, level 39 at the moment in DC. Definitely enjoying NB more than sorc as it stands!

apostate9

OdinForge wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Hello! Hellooooo! Earth to ESO gamers! The game was designed, built, and marketed as a massive three faction alliance war! That's the whole idea! Lag is the only real wrench thrown in the spokes of the wheel!

No one was supposed to become ridiculously powerful and take on 5+ enemies at once and dispatch them without breaking a sweat. When you are outnumbered you get your *ss kicked. You're going around defining "fun" as pressing three keys in sequence and wiping out an entire group because you moved your pinky finger....

The alliance war is exactly that. You want a PvP arena for 1v1 or XvX? Keep lobbying for that.

Only that's not true, it was marketed as an Ava game similar to daoc, which had some of the best 1v1 and small scale pvp ever released in a game.

I don't know anything about daoc. I might be wrong but I don't remember anything about 1v1 and small scale PvP talk for eso. Only speak of massive keep sieges and stuff.

Get out of here with that zerg crap, we wanted small scale PvP with the Imperial City. These changes kill solo play, reward unskilled players in big groups. The only counter is getting in a bigger group, and that's lame especially within the small Imperial City zones.

Who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? "We", as in the people I run with, expected large battles as per the marketing materials. So you certainly aren't speaking on my behalf. Or on behalf of my guild, or on behalf of basically any organized and PvP guild.

BrosephMcDudeBro

Yeah, I am going to have to go ahead and disagree.

My guildmates and I (between 4-6 of us depending on the day) made the conscious decision to join both blue/yellow's buff servers to farm CPs at Cracked Wood Cave to avoid XP dilution from leeches in our faction (EP). We consistently, and by consistently I mean daily, hold down the cave against groups with numbers in the teens, sometimes even ~24.

Now, in the open world, I think your claim that the bigger group usually wins has a little more merit, but there is more to PVP than traditional keep and resource capping.

We have found that our success lies in our fluid communication, tactics, and synergizing our builds. An excellent healer doesn't hurt either.

Ezareth

Alucardo wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

What is your level/class if I may ask?

Sure. My main is a VR2 sorc (just pve currently). But I started a magicka nightblade a couple of days ago, level 39 at the moment in DC. Definitely enjoying NB more than sorc as it stands!

Yeah as a Sorc you're going to lack the damage output needed at VR2 to kill a magicka nightblade spamming healing ward, especially since you're not running detect pots and they can cloak at will. Power Overload and Crushing shock are your two best options there with Fragment procs of course.