PTS Patch Notes v2.1.3

Ishammael

CP5 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Mcnick wrote: »

i dont like having to use a stamina based skill aka my shield charge to get close up to an enemy plz plz plz fix my toppling charge for templars you nerfed our radiant destruction which needed to be but now we a lil more help here i would be fine if i could use my MAGICKA based charge

Dk doesnt even have a gapcloser, stop flaming

First, you have the strongest gap closer in game, the dragon ulti, wich scales on physical damage. Next, toppling is bugged since beta and have never been fixed. It's not because you, Mr DK, don't have a spammable gap closer that you are supposed to ask templars to don't "flam" about one of our many bugged skills. Thx.

Did you just call dragon leap the strongest gap closer in the game? Rofl...

It has the same range as most ranged skills (longest ranged gap closer in game).

That's great..if Range had anything to do with why its not a great Gap Closer in this game.

Just saying, it is best in class at something.

Its an ultimate, mate. Therefore not a "gap-closer" and comparable to Amush, Crit Rush, Invasion, etc.

wraith808

CP5 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Mcnick wrote: »

i dont like having to use a stamina based skill aka my shield charge to get close up to an enemy plz plz plz fix my toppling charge for templars you nerfed our radiant destruction which needed to be but now we a lil more help here i would be fine if i could use my MAGICKA based charge

Dk doesnt even have a gapcloser, stop flaming

First, you have the strongest gap closer in game, the dragon ulti, wich scales on physical damage. Next, toppling is bugged since beta and have never been fixed. It's not because you, Mr DK, don't have a spammable gap closer that you are supposed to ask templars to don't "flam" about one of our many bugged skills. Thx.

Did you just call dragon leap the strongest gap closer in the game? Rofl...

It has the same range as most ranged skills (longest ranged gap closer in game).

That's great..if Range had anything to do with why its not a great Gap Closer in this game.

Just saying, it is best in class at something.

And we're just saying... not.

CP5

Nevermind, guess a 28m jump isn't a gap-closer if its bound to a relatively cheap ultimate. Please, continue the discussion as to how dk's have no mobility.

Vaelen

Xsorus wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Mcnick wrote: »

i dont like having to use a stamina based skill aka my shield charge to get close up to an enemy plz plz plz fix my toppling charge for templars you nerfed our radiant destruction which needed to be but now we a lil more help here i would be fine if i could use my MAGICKA based charge

Dk doesnt even have a gapcloser, stop flaming

First, you have the strongest gap closer in game, the dragon ulti, wich scales on physical damage. Next, toppling is bugged since beta and have never been fixed. It's not because you, Mr DK, don't have a spammable gap closer that you are supposed to ask templars to don't "flam" about one of our many bugged skills. Thx.

Did you just call dragon leap the strongest gap closer in the game? Rofl...

Is it pre patch 1.6 when it's possible to spam ulti every few seconds? Nope! Can sorcs and NBs spam their gapclosers every few seconds? Yep!

AssaultLemming

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Stamina sorcs still need spammable DPS to be on par with the other stamina classes. No, lighting form is a UTILITY, not DPS. Stam builds use magicka for utility, stam for DPS.

I have a full post explaining it HERE - Sorcerer Stamina Builds vs the stamina builds of other classes: Why Sorcerer doesn't match up.

We dks still wait for our stamina whip^^

In the mean time while you are waiting, you can use your stamina burning breath, unstable flame, boost your stam regen with GDB, battle roar, helping hands, and boost your crit with flames of oblivion and your weapon damage with Mountains blessing.

I'm not saying the other classes are perfect but stam sorcs are at the bottom of the barrel right now for class based stamina skills and stamina supporting utilities and passives.

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Stamina sorcs still need spammable DPS to be on par with the other stamina classes. No, lighting form is a UTILITY, not DPS. Stam builds use magicka for utility, stam for DPS.

I have a full post explaining it HERE - Sorcerer Stamina Builds vs the stamina builds of other classes: Why Sorcerer doesn't match up.

Magicka Sorcerer also still needs a spammable class ability to have compareable dps in pve. Force shock is not enough.

I don't think you understand the point of weapon trees, they are there to provide access to general abilities that provide a solid baseline, like a magicka based ranged nuke. Then you are expected to synergise with those skills using your class abilities.

I don't think you understand how much of a HUGE advantage having a class based stam DPS or stam support utility really is. Of course you can use a weapon skill but having class based stamina DPS or stamina utility gives you versatility and puts your class on a much higher level than other classes with stam builds consisting mainly of weapon skills.



Here is a list of every (current) class based stam support utility: The list speaks for itself. Guess which class has the strongest stam build and why. HINT: It's NOT about weapon trees.

Templar Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina Builds
1. Direct Damage: Biting Jabs/ Stam Javelin
2. Stam Support Utility: Repentance
3. Passives that support stamina: Balanced warrior
4. Armor Debuff: Power of the light

Dragonknight Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina
1. Direct Damage:Burning Breath, Unstable Flame
2. Stam Support Utility:Green Dragon Blood, Flames of Oblivion, igneous weapons
3. Passives that support stamina:Battle Roar, Mountain's Blessing, Helping Hands
4. Armor Debuff:Burning Breath, Corrosive Armor

Nightblade Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina
1. Killer's Blade, Ambush, power extraction, and Surprise attack (the mother of all direct damage stam skills:)
2. Stam Support Utility: Relentless Focus, siphoning attacks, power extractions (functions as 1 and 2), double take
3. Passives that support stamina:Master Assassin, pressure points, hemorrhage, refreshing shadows(30% stam regen with no need to slot anything)
4. Armor Debuff:Mark Target, Surprise attack

Sorcerer (Current)
1. Direct Damage Class Based Stamina Skill: NOTHING
2. Stam Support Utility: Nothing that returns stamina reliably. Bound Armaments (takes two slots), Dark Deal (crippling 4 second channel), Boundless Storm (mobility utility), Critical Surge (expensive as hell, Dots steal big heals)
3. Passives that support stamina: unholy knowledge (5% stam cost reduction)
4. Armor Debuff: NOTHING

For all of you shouting "USE WEAPON TREES" Do you even theorycraft bros? Not relying on a weapon tree for everything gives you tons of utility and doesn't tie you down. Utility and mobility win fights in PvP more than raw DPS.

Man in update 7 wrecking blow is king. Block it? You are out of stam. Dodge it? No stam for you! Not to mention snipe and poison injection. Honestly those 3 skills are enough if you insist on playing a magicka focused class as a stamina character.

Darlgon

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE-GAME PATCH

Alliance War
General

• Removed the counter for Siege NPCs on the Cyrodiil map as Mercenaries are no longer used.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Does this mean that, if you been hording a Merc since it went out of game, you need to burn it by Monday, as the game will delete them?

Ishammael

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Stamina sorcs still need spammable DPS to be on par with the other stamina classes. No, lighting form is a UTILITY, not DPS. Stam builds use magicka for utility, stam for DPS.

I have a full post explaining it HERE - Sorcerer Stamina Builds vs the stamina builds of other classes: Why Sorcerer doesn't match up.

We dks still wait for our stamina whip^^

In the mean time while you are waiting, you can use your stamina burning breath, unstable flame, boost your stam regen with GDB, battle roar, helping hands, and boost your crit with flames of oblivion and your weapon damage with Mountains blessing.

I'm not saying the other classes are perfect but stam sorcs are at the bottom of the barrel right now for class based stamina skills and stamina supporting utilities and passives.

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Stamina sorcs still need spammable DPS to be on par with the other stamina classes. No, lighting form is a UTILITY, not DPS. Stam builds use magicka for utility, stam for DPS.

I have a full post explaining it HERE - Sorcerer Stamina Builds vs the stamina builds of other classes: Why Sorcerer doesn't match up.

Magicka Sorcerer also still needs a spammable class ability to have compareable dps in pve. Force shock is not enough.

I don't think you understand the point of weapon trees, they are there to provide access to general abilities that provide a solid baseline, like a magicka based ranged nuke. Then you are expected to synergise with those skills using your class abilities.

I don't think you understand how much of a HUGE advantage having a class based stam DPS or stam support utility really is. Of course you can use a weapon skill but having class based stamina DPS or stamina utility gives you versatility and puts your class on a much higher level than other classes with stam builds consisting mainly of weapon skills.



Here is a list of every (current) class based stam support utility: The list speaks for itself. Guess which class has the strongest stam build and why. HINT: It's NOT about weapon trees.

Templar Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina Builds
1. Direct Damage: Biting Jabs/ Stam Javelin
2. Stam Support Utility: Repentance
3. Passives that support stamina: Balanced warrior
4. Armor Debuff: Power of the light

Dragonknight Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina
1. Direct Damage:Burning Breath, Unstable Flame
2. Stam Support Utility:Green Dragon Blood, Flames of Oblivion, igneous weapons
3. Passives that support stamina:Battle Roar, Mountain's Blessing, Helping Hands
4. Armor Debuff:Burning Breath, Corrosive Armor

Nightblade Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina
1. Killer's Blade, Ambush, power extraction, and Surprise attack (the mother of all direct damage stam skills:)
2. Stam Support Utility: Relentless Focus, siphoning attacks, power extractions (functions as 1 and 2), double take
3. Passives that support stamina:Master Assassin, pressure points, hemorrhage, refreshing shadows(30% stam regen with no need to slot anything)
4. Armor Debuff:Mark Target, Surprise attack

Sorcerer (Current)
1. Direct Damage Class Based Stamina Skill: NOTHING
2. Stam Support Utility: Nothing that returns stamina reliably. Bound Armaments (takes two slots), Dark Deal (crippling 4 second channel), Boundless Storm (mobility utility), Critical Surge (expensive as hell, Dots steal big heals)
3. Passives that support stamina: unholy knowledge (5% stam cost reduction)
4. Armor Debuff: NOTHING

For all of you shouting "USE WEAPON TREES" Do you even theorycraft bros? Not relying on a weapon tree for everything gives you tons of utility and doesn't tie you down. Utility and mobility win fights in PvP more than raw DPS.

Man in update 7 wrecking blow is king. Block it? You are out of stam. Dodge it? No stam for you! Not to mention snipe and poison injection. Honestly those 3 skills are enough if you insist on playing a magicka focused class as a stamina character.

This has been my experience as well. Still, the jury is out once everything goes live.

BuggeX

Its funny how ppl try to argue that DKs have mobility with class Skills.....

Dragon Leap is funny cause he can jump in Keeps, if he couldnt do this, i would never use this ulti.
The brurst is fine, still Critcal Rush and LA Animation Cancel will do the same dmg and is spamable.

Chains, well dont even come up with the chains.

wath else do we have, right NOTHING

Lettigall

BuggeX wrote: »

Its funny how ppl try to argue that DKs have mobility with class Skills.....

Dragon Leap is funny cause he can jump in Keeps, if he couldnt do this, i would never use this ulti.
The brurst is fine, still Critcal Rush and LA Animation Cancel will do the same dmg and is spamable.

Chains, well dont even come up with the chains.

wath else do we have, right NOTHING

Agree that Dragon leap shouldn't be put in same basket as rest of gap closers since it's ultimate and you can't always use it when you want.

But chains are gap closer, not particularly good gap closer but still you have it. Templars have bugged gap closer and no roots, not even bugged ones.

Mcnick

BuggeX wrote: »

Mcnick wrote: »

i dont like having to use a stamina based skill aka my shield charge to get close up to an enemy plz plz plz fix my toppling charge for templars you nerfed our radiant destruction which needed to be but now we a lil more help here i would be fine if i could use my MAGICKA based charge

Dk doesnt even have a gapcloser, stop flaming

i know it sounds stupid but flaming our skill is literally broken its like not having a skill at all why do i sound ridiculous and alot of DK just use stamina charge so once again fix our friggin toppling charge plz like it been broken forever and i would like to use it.... it would be nice to use it... instead of a stamina based skill... why do i sound stupid their the ones that made the skills why even have it if it doesnt work properly give us a new skill then i play every class its just one of the things that ticks me off the most because toppling charge is a pretty awesome skill get to knock people on there butt and it scales off magicka and spell damage ya id rather use that any day then a stamina based charge that barely hits like at all being magicka based....

Mcnick

Mcnick wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Mcnick wrote: »

i dont like having to use a stamina based skill aka my shield charge to get close up to an enemy plz plz plz fix my toppling charge for templars you nerfed our radiant destruction which needed to be but now we a lil more help here i would be fine if i could use my MAGICKA based charge

Dk doesnt even have a gapcloser, stop flaming

i know it sounds stupid but flaming our skill is literally broken its like not having a skill at all why do i sound ridiculous and alot of DK just use stamina charge so once again fix our friggin toppling charge plz like it been broken forever and i would like to use it.... it would be nice to use it... instead of a stamina based skill... why do i sound stupid their the ones that made the skills why even have it if it doesnt work properly give us a new skill then i play every class its just one of the things that ticks me off the most because toppling charge is a pretty awesome skill get to knock people on there butt and it scales off magicka and spell damage ya id rather use that any day then a stamina based charge that barely hits like at all being magicka based....

and that isnt the point most of your dragon knight abilities work correctly that fact that we still have a bugged class ability like that after the game being out for so long is kinda ridiculous like you cant tell me none of the designers have seen this...

Fya0713

Some sets were nerfed and some sets were buffed. You'll all be fine. If people want to keep bringing up the "math", then pretty much every set has been HEAVILY buffed. Just because Black Rose was nerfed (it wasn't btw, it was BALANCED) doesn't mean "ermahgerd tank obsolete **** ZOS"......nobody thought martial knowledge would be worth using either, and we all know how that worked out. And nobody used Storm Knight, and we all see how that worked out. But honestly, keep raging please. It's suuuper entertaining when the game is down like this math is real real real hard. Also, the point of these sets wasn't to make all the pre-IC sets obsolete. It was simply to add new sets. I'm personally going to use most of the same sets I'm using now with mabye some new sets mixed in for extra damage or extra miti. If they were to make the new IC sets totally out-perform the old pre-IC sets, it would completely throw the in-game economy into the gutter, and it would make the game mega-pay-to-win.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Stamina sorcs still need spammable DPS to be on par with the other stamina classes. No, lighting form is a UTILITY, not DPS. Stam builds use magicka for utility, stam for DPS.

I have a full post explaining it HERE - Sorcerer Stamina Builds vs the stamina builds of other classes: Why Sorcerer doesn't match up.

We dks still wait for our stamina whip^^

In the mean time while you are waiting, you can use your stamina burning breath, unstable flame, boost your stam regen with GDB, battle roar, helping hands, and boost your crit with flames of oblivion and your weapon damage with Mountains blessing.

I'm not saying the other classes are perfect but stam sorcs are at the bottom of the barrel right now for class based stamina skills and stamina supporting utilities and passives.

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Stamina sorcs still need spammable DPS to be on par with the other stamina classes. No, lighting form is a UTILITY, not DPS. Stam builds use magicka for utility, stam for DPS.

I have a full post explaining it HERE - Sorcerer Stamina Builds vs the stamina builds of other classes: Why Sorcerer doesn't match up.

Magicka Sorcerer also still needs a spammable class ability to have compareable dps in pve. Force shock is not enough.

I don't think you understand the point of weapon trees, they are there to provide access to general abilities that provide a solid baseline, like a magicka based ranged nuke. Then you are expected to synergise with those skills using your class abilities.

I don't think you understand how much of a HUGE advantage having a class based stam DPS or stam support utility really is. Of course you can use a weapon skill but having class based stamina DPS or stamina utility gives you versatility and puts your class on a much higher level than other classes with stam builds consisting mainly of weapon skills.



Here is a list of every (current) class based stam support utility: The list speaks for itself. Guess which class has the strongest stam build and why. HINT: It's NOT about weapon trees.

Templar Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina Builds
1. Direct Damage: Biting Jabs/ Stam Javelin
2. Stam Support Utility: Repentance
3. Passives that support stamina: Balanced warrior
4. Armor Debuff: Power of the light

Dragonknight Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina
1. Direct Damage:Burning Breath, Unstable Flame
2. Stam Support Utility:Green Dragon Blood, Flames of Oblivion, igneous weapons
3. Passives that support stamina:Battle Roar, Mountain's Blessing, Helping Hands
4. Armor Debuff:Burning Breath, Corrosive Armor

Nightblade Class Skills and Passives that Support Stamina
1. Killer's Blade, Ambush, power extraction, and Surprise attack (the mother of all direct damage stam skills:)
2. Stam Support Utility: Relentless Focus, siphoning attacks, power extractions (functions as 1 and 2), double take
3. Passives that support stamina:Master Assassin, pressure points, hemorrhage, refreshing shadows(30% stam regen with no need to slot anything)
4. Armor Debuff:Mark Target, Surprise attack

Sorcerer (Current)
1. Direct Damage Class Based Stamina Skill: NOTHING
2. Stam Support Utility: Nothing that returns stamina reliably. Bound Armaments (takes two slots), Dark Deal (crippling 4 second channel), Boundless Storm (mobility utility), Critical Surge (expensive as hell, Dots steal big heals)
3. Passives that support stamina: unholy knowledge (5% stam cost reduction)
4. Armor Debuff: NOTHING

For all of you shouting "USE WEAPON TREES" Do you even theorycraft bros? Not relying on a weapon tree for everything gives you tons of utility and doesn't tie you down. Utility and mobility win fights in PvP more than raw DPS.

3. Passives that support stamina: refreshing shadows ( not 30% stam regen anymore), don't you read Natch Potes

Stalwart385

Domander wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Mcnick wrote: »

i dont like having to use a stamina based skill aka my shield charge to get close up to an enemy plz plz plz fix my toppling charge for templars you nerfed our radiant destruction which needed to be but now we a lil more help here i would be fine if i could use my MAGICKA based charge

Dk doesnt even have a gapcloser, stop flaming

First, you have the strongest gap closer in game, the dragon ulti, wich scales on physical damage. Next, toppling is bugged since beta and have never been fixed. It's not because you, Mr DK, don't have a spammable gap closer that you are supposed to ask templars to don't "flam" about one of our many bugged skills. Thx.

Did you just call dragon leap the strongest gap closer in the game? Rofl...

It has the same range as most ranged skills (longest ranged gap closer in game).

Sure, but if your target moves at all it will likely miss, If it doesn't bug and you're not rooted.

Or you don't have ultimate up when you need it.

You stand over there and spam while I wait for my ultimate to build. Cool, *leap*. Oh you bolt escaped away, give me another minute or two and I'll get close this time.

josh.lackey_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE-GAME PATCH
Add-ons

• Very large Saved Variable files from add-ons will no longer crash when writing to a file.

WOOO! I am pretty excited about a lot of changes with 2.1, but this one really takes the cake. Chip Hilseberg, you are my hero.

Elsonso

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE-GAME PATCH
Add-ons

• Very large Saved Variable files from add-ons will no longer crash when writing to a file.

WOOO! I am pretty excited about a lot of changes with 2.1, but this one really takes the cake. Chip Hilseberg, you are my hero.

So, how large is a very large saved variables file? I have seen some really big ones.

ThornJagger

First you nerf shields in half, then a set that breaks shields......I'll just run around naked and save gols! This needs adjusted in the worse way!

josh.lackey_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE-GAME PATCH
Add-ons

• Very large Saved Variable files from add-ons will no longer crash when writing to a file.

WOOO! I am pretty excited about a lot of changes with 2.1, but this one really takes the cake. Chip Hilseberg, you are my hero.

So, how large is a very large saved variables file? I have seen some really big ones.

I have seen PriceTracker get over 60 MiB. At which point it will save empty tables and have to re-create all the data. I suppose I could try and purge old records, but ehh. A scan of all stores at the three capital cities, Rawl'kha, and Belthark will more than likely hit the limit. Though there's really no reason for that. The way PriceTracker stores records is really inefficient. I would guess someone could rewrite the record storage for it and reduce the SavedVariable size by a factor of 10, just by making a lookup table for item names and guild names. But RAM is cheap and I'm lazy. And now I can just keep stuffing more inefficient data into memory, problem solved. UserSetting.txt, SET LuaMemoryLimitMB "1024". Haha.

Septimus_Magna

ThornJagger wrote: »

First you nerf shields in half, then a set that breaks shields......I'll just run around naked and save gols! This needs adjusted in the worse way!

You dont need shields as a sorc, you can heal yourself with the 2k Dark Deal heal that has a cast time so you'll be interrupted every time you use this in pvp. Or get an awesome 4% HP heal (around 800 HP) from the Blood Magic passive. There're so many options to stay alive as a sorc, we're not forced into a single build whatsoever.

Yes, this is sarcastic

Isbilen

Lettigall wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Its funny how ppl try to argue that DKs have mobility with class Skills.....

Dragon Leap is funny cause he can jump in Keeps, if he couldnt do this, i would never use this ulti.
The brurst is fine, still Critcal Rush and LA Animation Cancel will do the same dmg and is spamable.

Chains, well dont even come up with the chains.

wath else do we have, right NOTHING

But chains are gap closer, not particularly good gap closer but still you have it. Templars have bugged gap closer and no roots, not even bugged ones.

Do you realize how glitchy the chains are? It only works 10% of the time (yes, seriously) because "target is too low or too high" and other bugs... This even happens on completely flat ground, like inside a keep. Chains are completely broken.

Lettigall

Isbilen wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Its funny how ppl try to argue that DKs have mobility with class Skills.....

Dragon Leap is funny cause he can jump in Keeps, if he couldnt do this, i would never use this ulti.
The brurst is fine, still Critcal Rush and LA Animation Cancel will do the same dmg and is spamable.

Chains, well dont even come up with the chains.

wath else do we have, right NOTHING

But chains are gap closer, not particularly good gap closer but still you have it. Templars have bugged gap closer and no roots, not even bugged ones.

Do you realize how glitchy the chains are? It only works 10% of the time (yes, seriously) because "target is too low or too high" and other bugs... This even happens on completely flat ground, like inside a keep. Chains are completely broken.

I'm not saying that chains are good I'm just saying that it's false statement that DK don't have gap closer at all.

jebuspowers

Hey devs, any way we can get path of darkness and its morphs changed to an aura? It would be more beneficial for pretty much everybody. Thanks, appreciate ya.

Resipsa131

Does redistributor 5 set trait proc off of class damage abilities that have healing as a function; specifically funnel health and Sao essence.