Nightblade = God Mode In The Imperial City

Truewavesound · August 2015

This is less about the NBs' overpoweredness (although they are going to be strong ofc) and more about poor design in IC, particularly positioning and overcrowdedness of mobs. Making a PVE zone that is also active pvp-wise requires a certain attitude and thought go into its design, which appears not to have happened.

(I, for one, welcome our new NB overlords)

Leandor · August 2015

Or everyone not a nightblade does the smart thing and forms 4 man groups. That way neither the mobs nor the solo gankers can do ***.

Master_Kas · August 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I think they need to stop Magicka Regen from Cloak just like Mist Form. This way magicka nightblade's will eventually need a safe place to regen rather then running around cloaking 24/7.

Then stamina nightblades can use cloak 2-3 times (if it doesn't get countered) then die, specially with the dodgenerf?

Rather a cost increase if you spam it.

Add a no regen when spamming shields aswell then , see how all people like this.

People always seems to forget not every nightblade is a magicka nb permacloaking.

I dont see why not, stamina sorcerors can maybe cast bolt escape 3 times before depleting thier magicka. Why should cloak be any different.

First of all I've never supported the bolt nerf . I want shieldspamming to have a penalty just like block/dodge.

Second , cloak and bolt does different things. Only thing they have in comman is that both are escape/mobility skills which cost magicka.

Not even Talking about all the ways to counter cloak.

Sigh

bowmanz607 · August 2015

Ok....why do we need anot her thread about this. There is already two up discussing the issue ppl have pertaining to this. Almost everyone in this thread is on the others. Simply making more of them to make it seem like more of an issue is ridicilous. Once again I will say l2p. As it has been pointed out in other threads many people who are not nb can kill nb no problem. Myself included. Get good.yes I play a nb but I also play dk, temp and sorc. So I don't want to here the nonesense argument that I am bias. Most players play all classes.

Xeniph · August 2015

It deflects attention from more shield changes. C'mon man that just logical

MrGrimey · August 2015

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

bowmanz607 · August 2015

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

Ya wrecking blow was doing the same to me. You guys want to talk about op lol.

Soulac · August 2015

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

twistedmonk · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

wow....do you pvp bruh?

I watched this stream, the fight went on for about 5 minutes, the 14k wrecking x2 happened after about 5 minutes of fighting where he timed the wrecking blow after a stun that he didnt' have the resources to break. he tried it about 20x before he got the right combo off to get 2 WBs in a row off.

Kova · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

I bet I can WB you more times than you can dodge. I'm finding it very effective.

cazlonb16_ESO · August 2015

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I think in 1 v 1 situations the OP is more or less correct. I think the bigger problem will be large groups of farmers. A nightblade will be able to get an opportunistic kill or 2 but there is nothing a nightblade can do against a large group except hide.

You act like that would be a bad thing.-

What can the other classes do against farm groups though ? Nothing but die and lose their TV stones. The ability to avoid farm groups in itself is an incredible advantage.

Soulac · August 2015

twistedmonk wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

wow....do you pvp bruh?

I watched this stream, the fight went on for about 5 minutes, the 14k wrecking x2 happened after about 5 minutes of fighting where he timed the wrecking blow after a stun that he didnt' have the resources to break. he tried it about 20x before he got the right combo off to get 2 WBs in a row off.

The only thing I do in the game is PvP.
WB has a cast time, move out of range, block or dodge. As NB you can easily cloak it.

While using WB you're not blocking, also perfect for counters. Even if he had max. Armor you'd deal enough dmg to hurt him.
Not saying that 14k is a bit high for still having quite some mitigation as you said, but weapon dmg on pts is/was buggy, sometimes you get over 1k more. Should be fixed with the new patch.

I don't believe in normal 14k wrecking blows tho, show me some proof based on the new patch.

Kova wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

I bet I can WB you more times than you can dodge. I'm finding it very effective.

I bet I can use surprise attack more often than you can dodge or block, is it broken now?
If defense is cheaper than offense, especially dodge, than your fights will take a really long time.

I never had any problems with WB since it leaves you unguarded and I don't think it's too strong or anything like that.

kaithuzar · August 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I think they need to stop Magicka Regen from Cloak just like Mist Form. This way magicka nightblade's will eventually need a safe place to regen rather then running around cloaking 24/7.

This has to be the WORST comment on this forum.
Mist is an ability ANYONE can use. Cloak is our MAIN skill. You wanna attack us directly fine, Templar's can't regen stats while they cast jabs/puncturing sweep, dk's can't regen while they cast whip, & sorc's can't regen while they streak!
You wanna target a specific classes single most used ability then TARGET THEM ALL otherwise get off my nb ****

kaithuzar · August 2015

This whole thread reminds me of a bunch of call of duty players complaining about the maps. Just because one map is more suited for snipers, stop complaining on the forums & get some kills!

MrGrimey · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

twistedmonk wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

wow....do you pvp bruh?

I watched this stream, the fight went on for about 5 minutes, the 14k wrecking x2 happened after about 5 minutes of fighting where he timed the wrecking blow after a stun that he didnt' have the resources to break. he tried it about 20x before he got the right combo off to get 2 WBs in a row off.

The only thing I do in the game is PvP.
WB has a cast time, move out of range, block or dodge. As NB you can easily cloak it.

While using WB you're not blocking, also perfect for counters. Even if he had max. Armor you'd deal enough dmg to hurt him.
Not saying that 14k is a bit high for still having quite some mitigation as you said, but weapon dmg on pts is/was buggy, sometimes you get over 1k more. Should be fixed with the new patch.

I don't believe in normal 14k wrecking blows tho, show me some proof based on the new patch.

Kova wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

I bet I can WB you more times than you can dodge. I'm finding it very effective.

I bet I can use surprise attack more often than you can dodge or block, is it broken now?
If defense is cheaper than offense, especially dodge, than your fights will take a really long time.

I never had any problems with WB since it leaves you unguarded and I don't think it's too strong or anything like that.

Please check out the set twitch.tv/sypherpk/v/12953953 It starts around the 1 hour mark.

Pretty much sypher tries all of his pts characters and can barely make a dent to the dragon knight all while getting nearly 2-4 shotted... This is what really will be "God mode" in IC unless it gets fixed

Soulac · August 2015

MrGrimey wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

twistedmonk wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

wow....do you pvp bruh?

I watched this stream, the fight went on for about 5 minutes, the 14k wrecking x2 happened after about 5 minutes of fighting where he timed the wrecking blow after a stun that he didnt' have the resources to break. he tried it about 20x before he got the right combo off to get 2 WBs in a row off.

The only thing I do in the game is PvP.
WB has a cast time, move out of range, block or dodge. As NB you can easily cloak it.

While using WB you're not blocking, also perfect for counters. Even if he had max. Armor you'd deal enough dmg to hurt him.
Not saying that 14k is a bit high for still having quite some mitigation as you said, but weapon dmg on pts is/was buggy, sometimes you get over 1k more. Should be fixed with the new patch.

I don't believe in normal 14k wrecking blows tho, show me some proof based on the new patch.

Kova wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Apparently you guys haven't seen that build that was 2 shotting sypher on his stream today... It was a stam dk tank hitting for 14k wrecking blows, and had a ton of mitigation as well

It has a cast time, dodge it.

I bet I can WB you more times than you can dodge. I'm finding it very effective.

I bet I can use surprise attack more often than you can dodge or block, is it broken now?
If defense is cheaper than offense, especially dodge, than your fights will take a really long time.

I never had any problems with WB since it leaves you unguarded and I don't think it's too strong or anything like that.

Please check out the set twitch.tv/sypherpk/v/12953953 It starts around the 1 hour mark.

Pretty much sypher tries all of his pts characters and can barely make a dent to the dragon knight all while getting nearly 2-4 shotted... This is what really will be "God mode" in IC unless it gets fixed

Looks like the DK is using the 35% dmg reduction set together with molag kena.
Watched a few fights and mostly the DK isn't even using WB, mostly perm blocking.
Dmg of him seems pretty decent and his movement is not bad, he avoided quite a lot and would have died a couple of times if he made a mistake.
The room was also quite small.. DKs are perfect for such small rooms and I wouldn't dare to fight someone in this chamber.

In my honest opinion the DK was just a good player understanding his class and tested a lot with the new patch.
Unlike NB or sorc a DK don't get away, they need to be tanky and a bit offensive or they're just meaningless punching bags.
Syphers Templar was close in killing the DK, but he avoided the jabs and Sypher got pushed in defense, getting his ressource drained.

In addition to that it's not like Sypher got killed in an instant.. He got low Health as NB and made a mistake by letting the enemy drain his ressources. Nothing wrong with it.

Not saying that this is perfectly balanced, but it's not a God mode either.