Why Templar is the Worst Designed Class in ESO. *LONG*

Nifty2g

Kas wrote: »

Im summary, I don't think templar skills are as bad as you put it. Instead, we somewhat lack the build with the incredible synergy between all you do. A real BUILD. Now, magicka templars can be build in light or in heavy armor and some skills will be used by everyone. However, very few (none?) top templars run the exact stame skills to my knowledge (not even with 1-2 flex slots). This is just not true for sorcs and stam NBs. They run VERY similar stuff, simply because all of the skills add up to an incredibly well-rounded build. THAT is what templars lack t

That's what I like most. No cookie cutter builds for the class is needed and you can still be a top Templar player. Good class diversity

I agree however, the class does need some sort of escape mechanism, the only option is to stay and fight accept death eventually or become a vampire (which I and many others dont wan't to do)

Francescolg

Nifty2g wrote: »

For PvP 4pc Magnus (2 nirn swords), 4pc Healer, 4pc Cyrodill's Light

I like max magicka builds

For PvP with this spec you're fast food vs. any skilled NB (doesn't matter if sta/mag), who uses immov. pots..
It is funny how pure group-healers keep arguing for their strongness im pvp, even if they don't play 1on1 often rnough

timidobserver

Nifty2g wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

You can contrive to be competitive at anything you want do on Templar(stam dps, magicka dps, tank, heal, pvp, pve, whatever.) We have build that work for anything you need to do. That said, I do agree that the design and polishing seems a bit off when compared to other classes. The only two things in the game that we really excel at are healing and taking advantage of the poorly designed portal mechanics in Vet DSA. We have a lot of pointless skills and our class ultimates are pretty bad.

1) Portal killing has been around since DSA was released.
2) Shards, Solar Barrage and Jabs when used together is insane damage.
3) Nova and Remembrance are amazing ultimate's, the synergy from nova and the damage mitigation AND the damage it deals. Probably top two of the best ultimate's in the game along side banner.

In my honest opinion Templar at the moment is the most sufficient class compared to others, templars can tank, heal, stamina dps and magicka dps. If Templars had chains they would be maybe the best tank.

Is it just a bandwagon thing people are hopping onto to say the class is weak? Honestly I don't see how it's weak. The ONE thing I want to be stronger which it deserves to be is the heal from Puncturing Sweep, since it can't crit, increase the heal to make it useful in a raid situation so I don't die cause my block is down when using the ability in PvP please

Another thing to note, you guys should start using 2 swords on your templars if you're noticing weak damage output

I tried to type my post in a way to avoid a response like yours where you throw out a few of our good skills and say "class is fine." However, you skipped reading and did it anyway. I said that we have builds that work competitively for anything you want to do, which covers a bout 95% of what you've typed. The problem is that many of our less popular skills are useless and/or poorly designed. We also have a lot of terrible morphs(radiant aura, explosive charge, dark flare, radiant glory, healing ritual, radial sweep, piercing javelin, eclipse, ect.)

I didn't say anything about how long Portal Slaying has been around. What I did say is that Portal Slaying and healing are the only two things Templar truly excel at.

I didn't say anything about Nova. Of our three ultimates, it is the only one that is worth using. It is decent due to the damage reduction. However, Remembrance is completely useless. You get much better results out of healing springs + nova. Superior heals, superior damage reduction, superior damage.

Nifty2g

Francescolg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

For PvP 4pc Magnus (2 nirn swords), 4pc Healer, 4pc Cyrodill's Light

I like max magicka builds

For PvP with this spec you're fast food vs. any skilled NB (doesn't matter if sta/mag), who uses immov. pots..
It is funny how pure group-healers keep arguing for their strongness im pvp, even if they don't play 1on1 often rnough

I'm not a pure group healer, I don't heal in PvP and rarely heal in PvE.
I don't really like 1v1's, I'd rather open world 1v1's. It's fairly obvious a nightblade will most of the time win because of the skills and what not, then again it's rare to find a roaming player of any class that excels in all situations and can counter everything. Kind of a null argument as it can go both ways depending on the player and situation, but I'll let you be a hero, as I really can't be bothered to continue an argument like this.

Joy_Division

Whoa. While the Templar is an awkward class to use against experienced players and a lot of what you say has validity, let's not be sorcerers and completely downplay what the class is very good at: *amazing* PVE DPS. This isn't 1.5 anymore. The only way a DK will beat them is with perfect rotations from two bars. Templars can just spam biting jabs + Jesus beam/stam execute and make NBs cry.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Joy_Division wrote: »

Whoa. While the Templar is an awkward class to use against experienced players and a lot of what you say has validity, let's not be sorcerers and completely downplay what the class is very good at: *amazing* PVE DPS. This isn't 1.5 anymore. The only way a DK will beat them is with perfect rotations from two bars. Templars can just spam biting jabs + Jesus beam/stam execute and make NBs cry.

As a stampler thats true but puncturing sweep deals way less damage

Springt-Über-Zwerge

But I have to say that magicka templar still do dedent dps with a dark flare build

Vatter

Nifty2g wrote: »

This thread is a joke right? Surely you can't be serious, if you are then you got some serious l2p issues.
As for RD the execute range on this 30% not 20%
As for jabs/puncturing sweep, it procs burning light, so does shards and sweep/jabs.

If played correctly and speced correctly, templar dps in pve and pvp can be very dangerous, magicka and/or stamina.

Pro tip; being templar your main damage source comes from Thaumaturge, make use of it and Proximity Detonation/Dawnbreaker.

Some old and new dps screenshots from trials and vdsa

And the best ever

hmm not sure if your serious or not with this post.

1. your trying to use scenarios where the enemy stands in front of you and just takes damage. since IC is a PVP update, if I could get other players to just stand there then we wouldn't have a problem. but they don't.

2. next your showing us screen shots of no more then 80 secs. so basically your an PVE off healer who stands there opens with a spear then spams jabs until radiant destruction time?

3.those npc's just stand there. They also dont insta heal out of execute range like other players do and will in IC. Not to mention RD is getting nerfed.

4. your post proves absolutely nothing about pve dps other then we can put up decent numbers like I said. you posted no screen shots of your party's dps.

5.you show no pics from PVP. after all lets not forget that IC is a PVP update.

6.thaumature is not a pro tip especially in IC. your better off stacking healing. PVE yeah, but not PVP.

7.Jabs does proc burning light but at a lower rate then 25%. like I said. i'm guessing its because of all the crying about jabs so it got lowered. just like jabs used to not proc the evil hunter bonus. i'd have to test it to see if thats still the case.


also your build would be destroyed in pvp which, again, is what IC is.

Vatter

Joy_Division wrote: »

Whoa. While the Templar is an awkward class to use against experienced players and a lot of what you say has validity, let's not be sorcerers and completely downplay what the class is very good at: *amazing* PVE DPS. This isn't 1.5 anymore. The only way a DK will beat them is with perfect rotations from two bars. Templars can just spam biting jabs + Jesus beam/stam execute and make NBs cry.

Yeah this post isn't gonna work.

1. RD is getting nerfed due to all the crying
2. any NB who is not brand new is not gonna stand there and let me jab them.
3. magicka NB is now the strongest in IC. cloak spam is gonna be rampant and RD will be cleansed every time.
4. Nb's won't be crying but laughing. laughing at templars attempts to execute them.
5. the pve dps is decent. like I said. but no better then the other 3 classes.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

nothing seems to work against the slaughterfish video team B/B. After 10minutes and watching them take multiple jabs,RD,TC,Novas and pretty much every Templar trick in the book I would like to interject and say that some things are rather difficult if not currently next to impossible to do with the Templar class. And that was from multiple Templar's last night. I thought I had stumbled into a doctors convention.

1.7 is going to make for interesting times. I PVP I'm not much into PVE anymore I can't stand in a rune circle. If I stand still i get these fire things around me legs that look like a bird foot. And then hit with a big purple rock. Then i take a focused aim and dawnbreaker to the face.After that its the America Song "Horse with no name" as I begin the ride of shame"

Joy I have fought your Templar before at Alessia At least I think it was you. That was a funny trick you did to shut me down It almost worked. If you had of casted one more eclipse/total dark on me it would of been Circling Birdies > Lights Out> lil cross over my head! But I learned something from that "Fishbowl" Experience When placed in "snowglobe" start casting BoL and Absorb Magicka. Do not under any circumstances cast RD.That kept me alive. I plan to stay in Cyrodiil I tried the sewer thing and I did not like it. I like the sunlight. @ZOS_BrianWheeler can we have the pretty deer back please!!

timidobserver

Joy_Division wrote: »

Whoa. While the Templar is an awkward class to use against experienced players and a lot of what you say has validity, let's not be sorcerers and completely downplay what the class is very good at: *amazing* PVE DPS. This isn't 1.5 anymore. The only way a DK will beat them is with perfect rotations from two bars. Templars can just spam biting jabs + Jesus beam/stam execute and make NBs cry.

What you say about PVE dps is true if you are taking advantage if exploits and bugs that increase Stamina dps. They are fixed in 2.1, so Stamplar dps is normalized. If you aren't running camo hunter or sharpened maces, then Stamplar dps isn't any better than anyone elses. This is a thread created by the guy that made the build that most Stamplar are running some variation of~~~>http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209371/pve-rip-stamina-classes-in-pve-trials-arena#latest

Joy_Division

Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »

nothing seems to work against the slaughterfish video team B/B. After 10minutes and watching them take multiple jabs,RD,TC,Novas and pretty much every Templar trick in the book I would like to interject and say that some things are rather difficult if not currently next to impossible to do with the Templar class. And that was from multiple Templar's last night. I thought I had stumbled into a doctors convention.

1.7 is going to make for interesting times. I PVP I'm not much into PVE anymore I can't stand in a rune circle. If I stand still i get these fire things around me legs that look like a bird foot. And then hit with a big purple rock. Then i take a focused aim and dawnbreaker to the face.After that its the America Song "Horse with no name" as I begin the ride of shame"

Joy I have fought your Templar before at Alessia At least I think it was you. That was a funny trick you did to shut me down It almost worked. If you had of casted one more eclipse/total dark on me it would of been Circling Birdies > Lights Out> lil cross over my head! But I learned something from that "Fishbowl" Experience When placed in "snowglobe" start casting BoL and Absorb Magicka. Do not under any circumstances cast RD.That kept me alive. I plan to stay in Cyrodiil I tried the sewer thing and I did not like it. I like the sunlight. @ZOS_BrianWheeler can we have the pretty deer back please!!

Odds are if you are a banana or smurf, then yes it was prolly me who is spamming eclipse.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

Yes I am Banana!! Come over to the Bananas we make Sundae's
It was you and Meth who taught me long ago dont stand still!!!

sagitter

http:/m.youtube.com/watch?v=-t7OJoXbB74
Your dps the last on the list?
I don t know, maybe on pts it s nerfed, but actually on live I can push awesome dps, and if not second is the first on the list.
And for me in pvp is a must in party.

Vatter

sagitter wrote: »

http:/m.youtube.com/watch?v=-t7OJoXbB74
Your dps the last on the list?
I don t know, maybe on pts it s nerfed, but actually on live I can push awesome dps, and if not second is the first on the list.
And for me in pvp is a must in party.

nice video. heres the problem.

in IC -
armor penetration bug has been fixed.
caltrops no longer is considered a melee attack so no scaling with your weapon power and no more proc with evil hunter
pretty sure that boss is daedric if i remember correctly most players are not.
that boss just stands there, doesn't roll dodge, streak, cloak or heal.
50% reduced damage, healing, bubbles.

i'm really looking forward to templar IC videos to be honest. I'm hoping I am proved wrong

Vatter

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

This thread is a joke right? Surely you can't be serious, if you are then you got some serious l2p issues.
As for RD the execute range on this 30% not 20%
As for jabs/puncturing sweep, it procs burning light, so does shards and sweep/jabs.

If played correctly and speced correctly, templar dps in pve and pvp can be very dangerous, magicka and/or stamina.

Pro tip; being templar your main damage source comes from Thaumaturge, make use of it and Proximity Detonation/Dawnbreaker.

Some old and new dps screenshots from trials and vdsa

And the best ever

hmm not sure if your serious or not with this post.

1. your trying to use scenarios where the enemy stands in front of you and just takes damage. since IC is a PVP update, if I could get other players to just stand there then we wouldn't have a problem. but they don't.

2. next your showing us screen shots of no more then 80 secs. so basically your an PVE off healer who stands there opens with a spear then spams jabs until radiant destruction time?

3.those npc's just stand there. They also dont insta heal out of execute range like other players do and will in IC. Not to mention RD is getting nerfed.

4. your post proves absolutely nothing about pve dps other then we can put up decent numbers like I said. you posted no screen shots of your party's dps.

5.you show no pics from PVP. after all lets not forget that IC is a PVP update.

6.thaumature is not a pro tip especially in IC. your better off stacking healing. PVE yeah, but not PVP.

7.Jabs does proc burning light but at a lower rate then 25%. like I said. i'm guessing its because of all the crying about jabs so it got lowered. just like jabs used to not proc the evil hunter bonus. i'd have to test it to see if thats still the case.


also your build would be destroyed in pvp which, again, is what IC is.

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meh. I expected nothing less. you were hoping to come in here with a few screen shots from live pve thinking this would prove all is well with templars and it didn't work. not even close. i'm guessing we won't be seeing your face on this post again because of this. but thanks for trying

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Nifty2g

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

This thread is a joke right? Surely you can't be serious, if you are then you got some serious l2p issues.
As for RD the execute range on this 30% not 20%
As for jabs/puncturing sweep, it procs burning light, so does shards and sweep/jabs.

If played correctly and speced correctly, templar dps in pve and pvp can be very dangerous, magicka and/or stamina.

Pro tip; being templar your main damage source comes from Thaumaturge, make use of it and Proximity Detonation/Dawnbreaker.

Some old and new dps screenshots from trials and vdsa

And the best ever

hmm not sure if your serious or not with this post.

1. your trying to use scenarios where the enemy stands in front of you and just takes damage. since IC is a PVP update, if I could get other players to just stand there then we wouldn't have a problem. but they don't.

2. next your showing us screen shots of no more then 80 secs. so basically your an PVE off healer who stands there opens with a spear then spams jabs until radiant destruction time?

3.those npc's just stand there. They also dont insta heal out of execute range like other players do and will in IC. Not to mention RD is getting nerfed.

4. your post proves absolutely nothing about pve dps other then we can put up decent numbers like I said. you posted no screen shots of your party's dps.

5.you show no pics from PVP. after all lets not forget that IC is a PVP update.

6.thaumature is not a pro tip especially in IC. your better off stacking healing. PVE yeah, but not PVP.

7.Jabs does proc burning light but at a lower rate then 25%. like I said. i'm guessing its because of all the crying about jabs so it got lowered. just like jabs used to not proc the evil hunter bonus. i'd have to test it to see if thats still the case.


also your build would be destroyed in pvp which, again, is what IC is.

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meh. I expected nothing less. you were hoping to come in here with a few screen shots from live pve thinking this would prove all is well with templars and it didn't work. not even close. i'm guessing we won't be seeing your face on this post again because of this. but thanks for trying

No not at all but for a different reason, I hope baddies like you keep making threads like this to make the class even stronger than it is.
So keep going

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Vatter

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

This thread is a joke right? Surely you can't be serious, if you are then you got some serious l2p issues.
As for RD the execute range on this 30% not 20%
As for jabs/puncturing sweep, it procs burning light, so does shards and sweep/jabs.

If played correctly and speced correctly, templar dps in pve and pvp can be very dangerous, magicka and/or stamina.

Pro tip; being templar your main damage source comes from Thaumaturge, make use of it and Proximity Detonation/Dawnbreaker.

Some old and new dps screenshots from trials and vdsa

And the best ever

hmm not sure if your serious or not with this post.

1. your trying to use scenarios where the enemy stands in front of you and just takes damage. since IC is a PVP update, if I could get other players to just stand there then we wouldn't have a problem. but they don't.

2. next your showing us screen shots of no more then 80 secs. so basically your an PVE off healer who stands there opens with a spear then spams jabs until radiant destruction time?

3.those npc's just stand there. They also dont insta heal out of execute range like other players do and will in IC. Not to mention RD is getting nerfed.

4. your post proves absolutely nothing about pve dps other then we can put up decent numbers like I said. you posted no screen shots of your party's dps.

5.you show no pics from PVP. after all lets not forget that IC is a PVP update.

6.thaumature is not a pro tip especially in IC. your better off stacking healing. PVE yeah, but not PVP.

7.Jabs does proc burning light but at a lower rate then 25%. like I said. i'm guessing its because of all the crying about jabs so it got lowered. just like jabs used to not proc the evil hunter bonus. i'd have to test it to see if thats still the case.


also your build would be destroyed in pvp which, again, is what IC is.

I've honestly got nothing to say other than you're a complete idiot. No wonder you made this thread.

meh. I expected nothing less. you were hoping to come in here with a few screen shots from live pve thinking this would prove all is well with templars and it didn't work. not even close. i'm guessing we won't be seeing your face on this post again because of this. but thanks for trying

No not at all but for a different reason, I hope baddies like you keep making threads like this to make the class even stronger than it is.
So keep going

prove us wrong. please do. take that build or whatever build your using and go to live pvp with it and make a video of you soloing a nb or a sorc. until then, your really just making yourself look bad

nimander99

Well said OP... well said... Templar nerf incoming

Nifty2g

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

This thread is a joke right? Surely you can't be serious, if you are then you got some serious l2p issues.
As for RD the execute range on this 30% not 20%
As for jabs/puncturing sweep, it procs burning light, so does shards and sweep/jabs.

If played correctly and speced correctly, templar dps in pve and pvp can be very dangerous, magicka and/or stamina.

Pro tip; being templar your main damage source comes from Thaumaturge, make use of it and Proximity Detonation/Dawnbreaker.

Some old and new dps screenshots from trials and vdsa

And the best ever

hmm not sure if your serious or not with this post.

1. your trying to use scenarios where the enemy stands in front of you and just takes damage. since IC is a PVP update, if I could get other players to just stand there then we wouldn't have a problem. but they don't.

2. next your showing us screen shots of no more then 80 secs. so basically your an PVE off healer who stands there opens with a spear then spams jabs until radiant destruction time?

3.those npc's just stand there. They also dont insta heal out of execute range like other players do and will in IC. Not to mention RD is getting nerfed.

4. your post proves absolutely nothing about pve dps other then we can put up decent numbers like I said. you posted no screen shots of your party's dps.

5.you show no pics from PVP. after all lets not forget that IC is a PVP update.

6.thaumature is not a pro tip especially in IC. your better off stacking healing. PVE yeah, but not PVP.

7.Jabs does proc burning light but at a lower rate then 25%. like I said. i'm guessing its because of all the crying about jabs so it got lowered. just like jabs used to not proc the evil hunter bonus. i'd have to test it to see if thats still the case.


also your build would be destroyed in pvp which, again, is what IC is.

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meh. I expected nothing less. you were hoping to come in here with a few screen shots from live pve thinking this would prove all is well with templars and it didn't work. not even close. i'm guessing we won't be seeing your face on this post again because of this. but thanks for trying

No not at all but for a different reason, I hope baddies like you keep making threads like this to make the class even stronger than it is.
So keep going

prove us wrong. please do. take that build or whatever build your using and go to live pvp with it and make a video of you soloing a nb or a sorc. until then, your really just making yourself look bad

Pretty sure I said earlier in the thread I don't make builds that resolve around 1v1's as I personally think that's a horrible play style to have, others like it fair enough. Build I have now is for group play.
Sorcerers and Nightblades are good for roaming and 1v1ing / ganking other classes just for the way they are built skill wise.

Stop QQing over pointless things, all of your threads are about nerfing nightblades. Stop being bad.

And yes no wonder you can't kill people cause all your magic damaging abilities don't have Thauaturge, with the damage nerf it would be common sense to go with damage not just standing their healing yourself while you specifically are being hit by a nightblade, it makes sense why you're getting rolled.

I don't know why I'm arguing I should be agreeing so I can get a free buff. Carry on.

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Vatter

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

This thread is a joke right? Surely you can't be serious, if you are then you got some serious l2p issues.
As for RD the execute range on this 30% not 20%
As for jabs/puncturing sweep, it procs burning light, so does shards and sweep/jabs.

If played correctly and speced correctly, templar dps in pve and pvp can be very dangerous, magicka and/or stamina.

Pro tip; being templar your main damage source comes from Thaumaturge, make use of it and Proximity Detonation/Dawnbreaker.

Some old and new dps screenshots from trials and vdsa

And the best ever

hmm not sure if your serious or not with this post.

1. your trying to use scenarios where the enemy stands in front of you and just takes damage. since IC is a PVP update, if I could get other players to just stand there then we wouldn't have a problem. but they don't.

2. next your showing us screen shots of no more then 80 secs. so basically your an PVE off healer who stands there opens with a spear then spams jabs until radiant destruction time?

3.those npc's just stand there. They also dont insta heal out of execute range like other players do and will in IC. Not to mention RD is getting nerfed.

4. your post proves absolutely nothing about pve dps other then we can put up decent numbers like I said. you posted no screen shots of your party's dps.

5.you show no pics from PVP. after all lets not forget that IC is a PVP update.

6.thaumature is not a pro tip especially in IC. your better off stacking healing. PVE yeah, but not PVP.

7.Jabs does proc burning light but at a lower rate then 25%. like I said. i'm guessing its because of all the crying about jabs so it got lowered. just like jabs used to not proc the evil hunter bonus. i'd have to test it to see if thats still the case.


also your build would be destroyed in pvp which, again, is what IC is.

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meh. I expected nothing less. you were hoping to come in here with a few screen shots from live pve thinking this would prove all is well with templars and it didn't work. not even close. i'm guessing we won't be seeing your face on this post again because of this. but thanks for trying

No not at all but for a different reason, I hope baddies like you keep making threads like this to make the class even stronger than it is.
So keep going

prove us wrong. please do. take that build or whatever build your using and go to live pvp with it and make a video of you soloing a nb or a sorc. until then, your really just making yourself look bad

Pretty sure I said earlier in the thread I don't make builds that resolve around 1v1's as I personally think that's a horrible play style to have, others like it fair enough. Build I have now is for group play.
Sorcerers and Nightblades are good for roaming and 1v1ing / ganking other classes just for the way they are built skill wise.

Stop QQing over pointless things, all of your threads are about nerfing nightblades. Stop being bad.

And yes no wonder you can't kill people cause all your magic damaging abilities don't have Thauaturge, with the damage nerf it would be common sense to go with damage not just standing their healing yourself while you specifically are being hit by a nightblade, it makes sense why you're getting rolled.

I don't know why I'm arguing I should be agreeing so I can get a free buff. Carry on.

hmmm so obviously you don't dare pvp unless your in a group of 6+. which ironically drives my point even further. How do you intend to play in IC? oh i see. your gonna do nothing but try and follow people and leech off of them. gotcha.

why would i stack my points into thermature in IC when the core ability of templars is a healing focus which has been cut by 50%? we have no shields now. its 100% better to use cp for healing and stack spell damage on gear. you think its wise to put all your points into a passive to support a skill that does maybe 7k damage every 8 secs? lol what are you expecting? to roll around with proximity for 8 secs then when it goes off, animation cancel dawn breaker of smiting then use rd? I really can't wait to see you try this IC. You are gonna get rekt so bad.

all damage is cut by 50%
all healing is cut by 50%
proximity is now 8 secs.
critical defense is getting a huge boost.
rd is getting nerfed

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phaseadept

People keep saying there are counters. . . what class/build can a Templar beat consistently?

Nifty2g

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

This thread is a joke right? Surely you can't be serious, if you are then you got some serious l2p issues.
As for RD the execute range on this 30% not 20%
As for jabs/puncturing sweep, it procs burning light, so does shards and sweep/jabs.

If played correctly and speced correctly, templar dps in pve and pvp can be very dangerous, magicka and/or stamina.

Pro tip; being templar your main damage source comes from Thaumaturge, make use of it and Proximity Detonation/Dawnbreaker.

Some old and new dps screenshots from trials and vdsa

And the best ever

hmm not sure if your serious or not with this post.

1. your trying to use scenarios where the enemy stands in front of you and just takes damage. since IC is a PVP update, if I could get other players to just stand there then we wouldn't have a problem. but they don't.

2. next your showing us screen shots of no more then 80 secs. so basically your an PVE off healer who stands there opens with a spear then spams jabs until radiant destruction time?

3.those npc's just stand there. They also dont insta heal out of execute range like other players do and will in IC. Not to mention RD is getting nerfed.

4. your post proves absolutely nothing about pve dps other then we can put up decent numbers like I said. you posted no screen shots of your party's dps.

5.you show no pics from PVP. after all lets not forget that IC is a PVP update.

6.thaumature is not a pro tip especially in IC. your better off stacking healing. PVE yeah, but not PVP.

7.Jabs does proc burning light but at a lower rate then 25%. like I said. i'm guessing its because of all the crying about jabs so it got lowered. just like jabs used to not proc the evil hunter bonus. i'd have to test it to see if thats still the case.


also your build would be destroyed in pvp which, again, is what IC is.

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meh. I expected nothing less. you were hoping to come in here with a few screen shots from live pve thinking this would prove all is well with templars and it didn't work. not even close. i'm guessing we won't be seeing your face on this post again because of this. but thanks for trying

No not at all but for a different reason, I hope baddies like you keep making threads like this to make the class even stronger than it is.
So keep going

prove us wrong. please do. take that build or whatever build your using and go to live pvp with it and make a video of you soloing a nb or a sorc. until then, your really just making yourself look bad

Pretty sure I said earlier in the thread I don't make builds that resolve around 1v1's as I personally think that's a horrible play style to have, others like it fair enough. Build I have now is for group play.
Sorcerers and Nightblades are good for roaming and 1v1ing / ganking other classes just for the way they are built skill wise.

Stop QQing over pointless things, all of your threads are about nerfing nightblades. Stop being bad.

And yes no wonder you can't kill people cause all your magic damaging abilities don't have Thauaturge, with the damage nerf it would be common sense to go with damage not just standing their healing yourself while you specifically are being hit by a nightblade, it makes sense why you're getting rolled.

I don't know why I'm arguing I should be agreeing so I can get a free buff. Carry on.

hmmm so obviously you don't dare pvp unless your in a group of 6+. which ironically drives my point even further. How do you intend to play in IC? oh i see. your gonna do nothing but try and follow people and leech off of them. gotcha.

why would i stack my points into thermature in IC when the core ability of templars is a healing focus which has been cut by 50%? we have no shields now. its 100% better to use cp for healing and stack spell damage on gear. you think its wise to put all your points into a passive to support a skill that does maybe 7k damage every 8 secs? lol what are you expecting? to roll around with proximity for 8 secs then when it goes off, animation cancel dawn breaker of smiting then use rd? I really can't wait to see you try this IC. You are gonna get rekt so bad.

all damage is cut by 50%
all healing is cut by 50%
proximity is now 8 secs.
critical defense is getting a huge boost.
rd is getting nerfed

First off, no I don't only run in groups 6+, it's either duo with a friend or small group at night times, then at prime times I raid. I don't care about how many people you can 1vX I don't care about duels or anything like that. I do fine in most open world encounters unless it's a nightblade / sorc who have been pvping for 8+ months perfecting their rotation and build for this type of thing.

The bolded part, I should probably put out there I have over 550cp, 20 points into blessed at the moment, 100 into bastion. Personally I do fine. The build I run isn't the meta, it's one I use that works for my playstyle.

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Wreuntzylla

phaseadept wrote: »

People keep saying there are counters. . . what class/build can a Templar beat consistently?

The answer is Templars!

Dracane wrote: »

Templar dps is the 2nd best from what I saw so far, and I saw a lot. Not sure where you're taking this information from.
Templars deal nasty DPS in pve, only DKs can outdps it. The bes DPS' I know are Templars, one of them Magicka and the other one stamina.

Darcane, didn't you get abused for trying to say sorcs aren't top dps in this thread?

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209371/pve-rip-stamina-classes-in-pve-trials-arena/p1

For what reason would you post this when you know it's not true?

Thalmor-Nordmaster

I can beat mudcrabs!! Yes I can I will take a screenie for Proof. Not just normal mudcrabs but Cyrodiil mudcrabs. I was just on now i am taking a break so much anger in the group chat must regain my inner composure.

Tonnopesce

So you are worried about magika templars yes?


Try to play as a stamina templar and then come back...

Mr_Nobody

I've tested my-own style of high stamina regen and high spell dmg/magicka in IC and i dumped on every magicka NB there. They all lack stamina, and if they go for it - they are not able to spam Cloak too long ~ Sorcs, however, are a pain in ass to kill without shieldbreaker set.

Oh and the 5PC set bonus from that martial knowledge-like set pops them out of stealth alot also.

Cinbri

Why are you even trying to dicuss. At this point it should be obvious that ZOS doesn't even read templar threads(seems they just mark it "troll thread" when see) and ignore entire templar community. We can say same things again and again for 40 pages, but nothing will changes.

Rhakon

Cinbri wrote: »

Why are you even trying to dicuss. At this point it should be obvious that ZOS doesn't even read templar threads(seems they just mark it "troll thread" when see) and ignore entire templar community. We can say same things again and again for 40 pages, but nothing will changes.

yes you mean this one i think. you can push it up and try get it to the first page, but it does not work.

this is why so much new threads are opened. its zos own fault to let the big thread die!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p37