This game needs to be more like Ultima Online

Pirhana7_ESO

Most of us are just hanging in there with ESO Until Camelot Unchained comes out

demendred

Id like to see an updated version of wyvern myself. That is, had the mmo still been around.
You remember muds?


We've come a long way, baby.

Preyfar

It is like Ultima Online. Everyone is running around going CORP POR! CORP POR! CORP POR! CORP POR! CORP POR!. Except the ESO eqv. is Wrecking Blow! Wrecking Blow! Wrecking Blow! Wrecking Blow!

I played Ultima Online for almost 6 years and was on the GM team. While I loved UO, I would not want ESO to have to deal with open world PVP or the Trammel/Felucca level frustrations that drove most players to separate and leave the game. Cyrodiil handles open world PVP pretty well.

Felucca was always a ghost down, and while there was some PVP raid spots (especially in the Lost Lands), it was pretty empty. And that's the issue we have now. Cyrodiil is pretty empty for the most part with a few exceptions, and we need to encourage people to use what we have before go and divide lands up.

Every time you add new zones or servers you thin the playerbase out a little. Open world PVP would extend that further out. If ESO had been designed from the ground up where rival factions could quest/enter other factions areas where players were it'd be okay. But the implementation we got was Cadwell's, which is pretty much awful.

vamp_emily

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

How about no. ESO is it's own MMO and whaca ma call it is it's own MMO and ZoS doesn't need to steal any ideas just cause "you" don't like the pvp.

-1

I wouldn't call it stealing any ideals. look outside of the gaming industry, it happens all the time. For example the cell phone industry. One company would add a cool feature, a few months later all the other companies have a similar feature.

I like ESO as it is, but there is nothing wrong with adding a feature that was found in another game that people liked.

Twilix01

Am I the only one irritated at the people in this thread calling people who dislike the idea of open-world PvP cry babies and carebears? Really, have some sense of civility you savages.

Zachy_B

I agree with open world pvp. Love it. But I still want eso to be eso.

Uriel_Nocturne

Twilix01 wrote: »

Am I the only one irritated at the people in this thread calling people who dislike the idea of open-world PvP cry babies and carebears? Really, have some sense of civility you savages.

Agreed.

As soon as I read either term, I immediately disregard the entire post from that person as if they had never made it.

CGPsaint

Please, no. I lost a huge chunk of my gaming life to UO... Ahh, the memories of The Glorious Lord, Saint Michael, Grandmaster Tamer. There was nothing quite so entertaining as taming and training a couple of dragons to set loose in Cove.

twistedmonk

there are plenty of hardcore pvp games out there. and you can see how popular they are if you can't think of any

Jennifur_Vultee

Here's a solution for wanting questing with PVP...go quest in Cyrodiil. There's plenty of players there who will happily make questing more difficult for you and let you gank them while all they want to do is kill that last mob they need to turn in the quest. Problem solved.

djnapstyb14_ESO

UO was the last game that had me hooked as much as ESO. ESO is fine as it is. I dont think many UO elements would do much to improve the experience. I'd rather see a new epic sandbox later for my next favorite game and let eso do its own thing for now.

starkerealm

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Most of us are just hanging in there with ESO Until Camelot Unchained comes out

This is like the part where "most of you were just hanging in until Wildstar/Guild Wars 2/Some Other MMO that will be the second coming of the divine GM launches." No offense, but that's a pretty common retort. I know it's true for some people, but if you honestly don't like this, why aren't you playing a game with a much shorter time commitment until your desired title releases?

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Uriel_Nocturne

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Most of us are just hanging in there with ESO Until Camelot Unchained comes out

LOL at the arrogance.

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

I am just hanging in there with ESO Until Camelot Unchained comes out

Fixed that for you.

Mojmir

olsborg wrote: »

I played UO for 14 years, yes - any game that does things more like UO...is a win-win. (if we dont count the last 4-5 yrs of development for uo)

more like the last 13 yrs, the problem with UO was when they strayed from what made it good in an attempt to make it more like modern games with the itemization. the idea of a separate server or split world concept is what cyrodiil basically is. pvp in UO is dead compared to the early days, fel is empty on most of the shards.

briandivisionb16_ESO

This just wouldn't work.
PvP mechanics are vastly different on ESO.

There are bombgroups

Mojmir

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

This just wouldn't work.
PvP mechanics are vastly different on ESO.

There are bombgroups

compare it to the one guy with his 8 white wyrms in tow lol

strikeback1247

All MMO's are sh*t compared to the greatest online game of all time: "Runescape"

:^)

Dahkoht

Twilix01 wrote: »

Am I the only one irritated at the people in this thread calling people who dislike the idea of open-world PvP cry babies and carebears? Really, have some sense of civility you savages.

But it's ok for the anti- open world PVP refer to anyone who enjoys this style of gameplay as sociopaths correct ?

Twilix01

Dahkoht wrote: »

Twilix01 wrote: »

Am I the only one irritated at the people in this thread calling people who dislike the idea of open-world PvP cry babies and carebears? Really, have some sense of civility you savages.

But it's ok for the anti- open world PVP refer to anyone who enjoys this style of gameplay as sociopaths correct ?

Actually I don't agree with it. However maybe it's just me but I see more insults from the pro-open PvP crowd towards the anti crowd. That said I can't take anyone who uses insults and personal attacks and hopes to get their way seriously.

Masuimi

Arena's would be fine too.

The thing is a lot of people prefer 1v1 2v2, etc over the large zerg vs zerg fights.

It's extremely difficult to find 1v1 battles in cyrodil unless you join a dueling guild (and this is a huge pain in the butt to coordinate this stuff).

Instead in cyrodil you usually end up with 1v5 , 2v10, etc.

There just needs to be some kind of option for people to fight evenly numbered teams, without having to join the 30v30 zerg battles

Dahkoht

Twilix01 wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

Twilix01 wrote: »

Am I the only one irritated at the people in this thread calling people who dislike the idea of open-world PvP cry babies and carebears? Really, have some sense of civility you savages.

But it's ok for the anti- open world PVP refer to anyone who enjoys this style of gameplay as sociopaths correct ?

Actually I don't agree with it. However maybe it's just me but I see more insults from the pro-open PvP crowd towards the anti crowd. That said I can't take anyone who uses insults and personal attacks and hopes to get their way seriously.

So why didnt you call them out also ? If you read to the point of carebears remarks in this thread you also read the sociopath remarks.

In this very thread there are two directly calling anti-open world carebears , while two are telling the sociopaths who like open world PVP to go away and go play EVE ?

It's a misconception I see often , that only PVP players call others out , when most of the time there are equally uncivil PVE only players , just for some reason it's ok for them.

Masuimi

Dahkoht wrote: »

Twilix01 wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

Twilix01 wrote: »

Am I the only one irritated at the people in this thread calling people who dislike the idea of open-world PvP cry babies and carebears? Really, have some sense of civility you savages.

But it's ok for the anti- open world PVP refer to anyone who enjoys this style of gameplay as sociopaths correct ?

Actually I don't agree with it. However maybe it's just me but I see more insults from the pro-open PvP crowd towards the anti crowd. That said I can't take anyone who uses insults and personal attacks and hopes to get their way seriously.

So why didnt you call them out also ? If you read to the point of carebears remarks in this thread you also read the sociopath remarks.

In this very thread there are two directly calling anti-open world carebears , while two are telling the sociopaths who like open world PVP to go away and go play EVE ?

It's a misconception I see often , that only PVP players call others out , when most of the time there are equally uncivil PVE only players , just for some reason it's ok for them.

To add to that, I only called them carebears because of the sociopath remark
I don't know why people get offended so easily, isn't this game rated M?

AngryNord

Twilix01 wrote: »

Am I the only one irritated at the people in this thread calling people who dislike the idea of open-world PvP cry babies and carebears? Really, have some sense of civility you savages.

Click the 'report' button and write 'harassment' in the infobox

dodgehopper_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

Yes, what this game absolutely needs are V14s in Daggerfall lethal arrowing everyone coming out of that house. It's the only way to keep things in check!

Actually this could work if everyone were scaled to 'V12' like they are in Cyrodiil. It wouldn't be perfect but it'd be semi fair.

starkerealm

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Yes, what this game absolutely needs are V14s in Daggerfall lethal arrowing everyone coming out of that house. It's the only way to keep things in check!

Actually this could work if everyone were scaled to 'V12' like they are in Cyrodiil. It wouldn't be perfect but it'd be semi fair.

I'm actually thinking of the one that dumps them out from the tutorial... so you're talking about players who aren't even wearing full armor yet, and may not have a weapon they know how to use, at most 3 abilities... yeah, it'd be a bloodbath, and artificially inflating their stats to V16 wouldn't really help.

Slylok

What exactly would open PvP bring? It nearly killed UO once other options came around ( post Trammel was UOs peak player count wise ).

VR players would gank non VR players instantly no matter how many safe zones there are.. Just sneak and wait near a Dolmen or dungeon entrance or any other popular spot and boom 1 shot all day and it doesnt even have to be max level vs low level.. A level 25 could gank level 10s all day too.. The majority of PvP on an open PvP server isnt even battles. It is higher levels ganking / griefing lower levels.

Honestly PvP kinda ruins MMOs IMO. Cyrodil has vasts amount of potential being wasted due to it being PvP contested..

starkerealm

jcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »

What exactly would open PvP bring? It nearly killed UO once other options came around ( post Trammel was UOs peak player count wise ).

VR players would gank non VR players instantly no matter how many safe zones there are.. Just sneak and wait near a Dolmen or dungeon entrance or any other popular spot and boom 1 shot all day and it doesnt even have to be max level vs low level.. A level 25 could gank level 10s all day too.. The majority of PvP on an open PvP server isnt even battles. It is higher levels ganking / griefing lower levels.

Honestly PvP kinda ruins MMOs IMO. Cyrodil has vasts amount of potential being wasted due to it being PvP contested..

When the large scale siege stuff is actually happening? Cyrodiil is amazing. And I don't think you could get that kind of scale from a non-MMO. Small scale combat, with less than 50 participants... is not ESO's strong suit.

Rex-Umbra

If they made more stuff to do in Cyrodiil make it the sandbox zone with open PvP and allow fighting your own faction-mates if your a criminal and duelings that would make me sooo happpy.

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

Olivierko wrote: »

A issue that comes to mind when considering open world PvP for ESO would be the fact that ESO isn't an open world game, the world is quite large and there's loads of zones that are greatly under populated than others due to each alliance has each zone differently instanced.

The problem actually exists at a more finite level. There are far too many potential choke points for griefing. Because of the quest structure, you're going to need to be at specific points.

Combine that with party synergies. And, you'd end up with stuff like the Cyrodiilic Zerg Balls macroing newbies to death. Which would just cripple the population.

Ultima Online has a playerbase south of 100k players. You can't sustain a game like ESO on a population that small. There are players who would pay to play a game like that. But there aren't enough to sustain a modern AAA MMO's production budget.

Tell that to the 3.5 million dollars that have been pledged to Camelot Unchained.....and CU is a pure RvR ( large scale PVP for those that dont know ) in the purest sense. This game will be 100% pvp all the time from the moment you start your character. The devs for this game have even stated that there will hardly be any NPC's, everything will be player made and player run. So you might want to do a little searching before making such a false claim. PvPers have a very large and active community despite what you think.