Puncturing Sweep & Biting Jabs Isn't Really That Interactive or Fun

Avonna

is this guy serious?

Cinbri

Cool, we found Templar ability that finally can deal damage. Must me nerfed 4sure.

Ryuho

Omg evry1 is spamming skills in pvp, each class not only templars, so please leave *** jabs in peace.. if som1 want to spam it, let him..

Simple examples..

NB - ambush-fear-suprise suprise + running circle around target, repeat if survive ofc while cloaked, not boring at all
Sorc - shieldstackphase - mines - curse - dege - inst crystal - force shock all the wayyyy - blink - dawnbrkr and peeeewww, not boring at all, well more advanced than nb for sure
DK - place dots - whip whip - petrify - meteor - whip - i am sorry magicka DKs, this patch u are even bad with spamming skills..
Temp - dege - topling - jab jab jab jab - jesus

#ESOletsspamsomeskillsandcrymore

Ludof

Murmeltier wrote: »

This Thread is a genious Idea, a helping Hand for the Dps Classes, not only the Templars. We know and see, that spaming one Dps-Skill is boring like Hell and i think it is a good Idea, to offer all Players the same Fun. So lets stop the whole Regeneration on all Skills, this will make the Fights more interesting and interactiv.

And dont fear this Change, it is really good for you, we know you are bored. Learn to adapt it and you will see, not only the Tanks can have Fun Ingame. We know what the Players want, we get many positive Response from the Players.

P.S: Can Someone erase the Answers from People who dont Play on PTS ?

This is a PvE point of view.
As for PvE, I think no regen while dpsing is really a bad idea:in fact if all classes needed to do heavy attack the only one not suffering dps loss would be Dk (Molten Armaments).
As for PvP, it would mean casting 4-5 skills and start using HA (again Dk would be perfect for this "playstyle").

As you can see, there's no point to do something like stopping regen while dpsing.
There are thousands of better ideas that would prevent skill spam: Cooldown,Decreased Damage on second cast,Increased Cost on second cast exc exc...

Imo meta is fine like it is ,the game just needs fixes on major bugs (Battle Spirit first).

Personofsecrets

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

Most_Awesome

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

I hope you can pass on a sentimeNt that several people have had here about Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep.

Right now those abilities have lEad to Templars getting some of the highest DPS and that is fine, but the play style involved with those abilities isn't Really that interactive and it isn't really that fun.

At the very basic level, using those abilities just requires using them all of the time and in succession. It is really just a single button press over and over.

I think a solution to this issue would be if players regeneration stopped while they where using Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs. The reason that this would be a solution is because it would incentivize players to use Fully charged heavy attacks when they are ruNning low on resources. It would also encourage more team play because the users of Puncturing Sweep & Biting JaBs would have to rely more on the other players in the group as sources for stamina and magic.

Anyhow, this is a pretty easy fix and I think it would be best for the future of the game. I hope to see this implemented. Thanks!

@Wing @MaximusDargus

Personofsecrets

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

I hope you can pass on a sentimeNt that several people have had here about Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep.

Right now those abilities have lEad to Templars getting some of the highest DPS and that is fine, but the play style involved with those abilities isn't Really that interactive and it isn't really that fun.

At the very basic level, using those abilities just requires using them all of the time and in succession. It is really just a single button press over and over.

I think a solution to this issue would be if players regeneration stopped while they where using Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs. The reason that this would be a solution is because it would incentivize players to use Fully charged heavy attacks when they are ruNning low on resources. It would also encourage more team play because the users of Puncturing Sweep & Biting JaBs would have to rely more on the other players in the group as sources for stamina and magic.

Anyhow, this is a pretty easy fix and I think it would be best for the future of the game. I hope to see this implemented. Thanks!

@Wing @MaximusDargus

Sometimes players have to accept changes that are for the overall good of the game. That is just part of playing an MMO. =(^_^)=

Cinbri

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

I know it is tough to accept but instead of creating useless threads, you should accept new meta, change your way of thinking about fotm classes and adapt to new PvP balance, then you will understand how new tweaks will make combat for weakest pvp class(Templar) more fun and interactive.

Personofsecrets

Cinbri wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

I know it is tough to accept but instead of creating useless threads, you should accept new meta, change your way of thinking about fotm classes and adapt to new PvP balance, then you will understand how new tweaks will make combat for weakest pvp class(Templar) more fun and interactive.

It has already been discussed many times in this thread that the same tweaks can be applied to all classes. Regardless, it isn't like templar players couldn't learn to adapt. Content would still be very doable with my fine adjustments.

Mojmir

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

I know it is tough to accept but instead of creating useless threads, you should accept new meta, change your way of thinking about fotm classes and adapt to new PvP balance, then you will understand how new tweaks will make combat for weakest pvp class(Templar) more fun and interactive.

It has already been discussed many times in this thread that the same tweaks can be applied to all classes. Regardless, it isn't like templar players couldn't learn to adapt. Content would still be very doable with my fine adjustments.

We've been adapting, your turn now

Personofsecrets

Mojmir wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

I know it is tough to accept but instead of creating useless threads, you should accept new meta, change your way of thinking about fotm classes and adapt to new PvP balance, then you will understand how new tweaks will make combat for weakest pvp class(Templar) more fun and interactive.

It has already been discussed many times in this thread that the same tweaks can be applied to all classes. Regardless, it isn't like templar players couldn't learn to adapt. Content would still be very doable with my fine adjustments.

We've been adapting, your turn now

I'm really not sure why some of the commenters have been so resistant to a change that would make the game much better for them.

Soris

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

I hope you can pass on a sentimeNt that several people have had here about Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep.

Right now those abilities have lEad to Templars getting some of the highest DPS and that is fine, but the play style involved with those abilities isn't Really that interactive and it isn't really that fun.

At the very basic level, using those abilities just requires using them all of the time and in succession. It is really just a single button press over and over.

I think a solution to this issue would be if players regeneration stopped while they where using Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs. The reason that this would be a solution is because it would incentivize players to use Fully charged heavy attacks when they are ruNning low on resources. It would also encourage more team play because the users of Puncturing Sweep & Biting JaBs would have to rely more on the other players in the group as sources for stamina and magic.

Anyhow, this is a pretty easy fix and I think it would be best for the future of the game. I hope to see this implemented. Thanks!

@Wing @MaximusDargus

Sometimes players have to accept changes that are for the overall good of the game. That is just part of playing an MMO. =(^_^)=

Honestly I'm fine if they cut all regen values for everyone, as something similar to softcaps or same. Since I never like the new meta update 6 brought where you can spam all the *** for hours without even going oom/oos.
But,
Making this just for one particular skill and class is obviously not the right way to do it.

It seems you like it as well. But you still insist on saying jabs this, jabs that.. So this makes me think you have a butthurt about templars.

Takllin

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

I know it is tough to accept but instead of creating useless threads, you should accept new meta, change your way of thinking about fotm classes and adapt to new PvP balance, then you will understand how new tweaks will make combat for weakest pvp class(Templar) more fun and interactive.

It has already been discussed many times in this thread that the same tweaks can be applied to all classes. Regardless, it isn't like templar players couldn't learn to adapt. Content would still be very doable with my fine adjustments.

We've been adapting, your turn now

I'm really not sure why some of the commenters have been so resistant to a change that would make the game much better for them.

Because we don't think it would make the game better obviously...

Wing

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I'm really not sure why some of the commenters have been so resistant to a change that would make the game much better for them.

its that dreaded double slandered. nerf our regen while blocking and its good for the game and learn to adapt, but nerf regen while using jabs or bubbles and everyone looses their minds.

cjthibs

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

I know it is tough to accept but instead of creating useless threads, you should accept new meta, change your way of thinking about fotm classes and adapt to new PvP balance, then you will understand how new tweaks will make combat for weakest pvp class(Templar) more fun and interactive.

It has already been discussed many times in this thread that the same tweaks can be applied to all classes. Regardless, it isn't like templar players couldn't learn to adapt. Content would still be very doable with my fine adjustments.

We've been adapting, your turn now

I'm really not sure why some of the commenters have been so resistant to a change that would make the game much better for them.

Because we can see through your lame attempt at argument. You should google 'False equivalence.'

Personofsecrets

Wing wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I'm really not sure why some of the commenters have been so resistant to a change that would make the game much better for them.

its that dreaded double slandered. nerf our regen while blocking and its good for the game and learn to adapt, but nerf regen while using jabs or bubbles and everyone looses their minds.

It really is a strange outcry that happened. Any ideas why people reacted the way they did to my proposed adjustment @ZOS_RichLambert ?

I want to say that people are just scared of changing, but so many people brought up so many good concerns, and it is almost as if I was incorrect in my evaluation of Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs. I'm still hopeful though that we can get my adjustment tested. I think that testing will really encourage players to adapt and then they will realize that such an adjustment isn't so bad.

AJ_1988

While there at it can they nerf people attacking me so I can keep spamming jabs. Lol. It's the only close range ability that Templars have that actually does any decent damage. Might as well just stop night blades steal thing and mages power overloading. Atleast I got my lol fix when I woke up this morning

Halfwitte

This is a wonderful idea. A change like this would definitely make things more interesting for my Templar Tank. It would be like playing a double resource management mini game. It would be so much fun just staring at green and blue bars that I could completely ignore anything else going on around me that isn't fun. Drop Block/Heal/Raise Block/Heal/Drop Block Rinse Repeat, THE MOST FUN I'VE EVER HAD! It shouldn't count for just biting jabs since just mashing BOL all the time for heals is also boring, so it should affect magic regen while healing as well. This is a win win and falls well under the parameters of the Gospel of Eric Wrobel on "Philosophy of Fun" and could quickly become one of those near and dear to our hearts for no apparent reason changes implemented by Eric Wrobel and Friends. Thank you OP for coming up with this wonderful idea and hopefully ZOS will start listening to positive feedback like yours.

#EricWrobel4President
"Bringing Fun back to America!"

Halfwitte

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I know it is tough to accept change, but once you change your way of thinking and adapt a little bit, then you will understand how my proposed tweak will really make combat more fun and interactive.

Definitely Needs to be tested to understand the true and exhilarating value this change would bring to pass. Unimaginable copious amounts of fun over flowing everywhere. @ZOS_RichLambert can we get this brought to PTS since this change is so very similar to one that is already very near and dear to your heart. I mean this really needs to be tested.

AJ_1988

Halfwitte wrote: »

This is a wonderful idea. A change like this would definitely make things more interesting for my Templar Tank. It would be like playing a double resource management mini game. It would be so much fun just staring at green and blue bars that I could completely ignore anything else going on around me that isn't fun. Drop Block/Heal/Raise Block/Heal/Drop Block Rinse Repeat, THE MOST FUN I'VE EVER HAD! It shouldn't count for just biting jabs since just mashing BOL all the time for heals is also boring, so it should affect magic regen while healing as well. This is a win win and falls well under the parameters of the Gospel of Eric Wrobel on "Philosophy of Fun" and could quickly become one of those near and dear to our hearts for no apparent reason changes implemented by Eric Wrobel and Friends. Thank you OP for coming up with this wonderful idea and hopefully ZOS will start listening to positive feedback like yours.

#EricWrobel4President
"Bringing Fun back to America!"

As someone already said why don't they just stop regen for every ability for every class then? Why should Templars be singled out? They keep getting nerfed from what I can gather. What's the point in even having regen at all of all people want is for it to not happen?

Personofsecrets

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Halfwitte wrote: »

This is a wonderful idea. A change like this would definitely make things more interesting for my Templar Tank. It would be like playing a double resource management mini game. It would be so much fun just staring at green and blue bars that I could completely ignore anything else going on around me that isn't fun. Drop Block/Heal/Raise Block/Heal/Drop Block Rinse Repeat, THE MOST FUN I'VE EVER HAD! It shouldn't count for just biting jabs since just mashing BOL all the time for heals is also boring, so it should affect magic regen while healing as well. This is a win win and falls well under the parameters of the Gospel of Eric Wrobel on "Philosophy of Fun" and could quickly become one of those near and dear to our hearts for no apparent reason changes implemented by Eric Wrobel and Friends. Thank you OP for coming up with this wonderful idea and hopefully ZOS will start listening to positive feedback like yours.

#EricWrobel4President
"Bringing Fun back to America!"

As someone already said why don't they just stop regen for every ability for every class then? Why should Templars be singled out? They keep getting nerfed from what I can gather. What's the point in even having regen at all of all people want is for it to not happen?

Sure, that is a pretty good idea. The regen stat could probably be removed from the game.

Halfwitte

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Halfwitte wrote: »

This is a wonderful idea. A change like this would definitely make things more interesting for my Templar Tank. It would be like playing a double resource management mini game. It would be so much fun just staring at green and blue bars that I could completely ignore anything else going on around me that isn't fun. Drop Block/Heal/Raise Block/Heal/Drop Block Rinse Repeat, THE MOST FUN I'VE EVER HAD! It shouldn't count for just biting jabs since just mashing BOL all the time for heals is also boring, so it should affect magic regen while healing as well. This is a win win and falls well under the parameters of the Gospel of Eric Wrobel on "Philosophy of Fun" and could quickly become one of those near and dear to our hearts for no apparent reason changes implemented by Eric Wrobel and Friends. Thank you OP for coming up with this wonderful idea and hopefully ZOS will start listening to positive feedback like yours.

#EricWrobel4President
"Bringing Fun back to America!"

As someone already said why don't they just stop regen for every ability for every class then? Why should Templars be singled out? They keep getting nerfed from what I can gather. What's the point in even having regen at all of all people want is for it to not happen?

To make the templar more fun! This is an improvement since they're not fun at the moment too much blocking and one button skill mashing. This will revive the templar Eric Wrobel has assured us of this with his new gospel on fun.

#EricWrobel4President
"Bringing Fun back to America!"

AJ_1988

I don't block at all. I don't even use weapons and definitely. Don't button mash one skill and my Templar is a load of fun and very competitive in pvp.

Personofsecrets

AJ_1988 wrote: »

I don't block at all. I don't even use weapons and definitely. Don't button mash one skill and my Templar is a load of fun and very competitive in pvp.

Well, you shouldn't mind my adjustment very much. Thank you for the support.

AJ_1988

I'm all for things being tested but for the record and freedom of speech I'm against it.

Personofsecrets

AJ_1988 wrote: »

I'm all for things being tested but for the record and freedom of speech I'm against it.

Thank you for being open minded @AJ_1988 . That is the right attitude that it takes to progress game development.

AJ_1988

Personofsecrets wrote: »

AJ_1988 wrote: »

I'm all for things being tested but for the record and freedom of speech I'm against it.

Thank you for being open minded @AJ_1988 . That is the right attitude that it takes to progress game development.

If it does change I'll adapt simple as that. The main reason I play Templar is that I like to solo things a lot and don't use potions. So being a Templar I can self heal and make up for lack of armour resistance. Jabs is my only form of heal on my offensive ability bar. Yeah I could swap in combat to heal but in a fast paced pvp battle it's not always viable. That's my main argument. I always throw my rune down if I'm expecting a long battle but again isn't always viable in fast paced battles.

Halfwitte

AJ_1988 wrote: »

I don't block at all. I don't even use weapons and definitely. Don't button mash one skill and my Templar is a load of fun and very competitive in pvp.

This change will make it even more fun. Trust in Eric Wrobel.

#EricWrobel4President
"Bringing Fun back to America!"

PBpsy

Halfwitte wrote: »

This change will make it even more fun. Trust in Eric Wrobel.

#EricWrobel4President
"Bringing Fun back to America!"

Ask yourself WWEWD?

Stanko

Avonna wrote: »

is this guy serious?

No, he's not really serious. He's mad about the changes to block and he's drawing a parallel with puncturing sweep/biting jabs. I just ran a vet pledge with him an hour ago and spoke with him in teamspeak. All Templars can stand-down now and cancel their launch sequences...