Puncturing Sweep & Biting Jabs Isn't Really That Interactive or Fun

Personofsecrets

@ZOS_RichLambert

I hope you can pass on a sentiment that several people have had here about Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep.

Right now those abilities have lead to Templars getting some of the highest DPS and that is fine, but the play style involved with those abilities isn't really that interactive and it isn't really that fun.

At the very basic level, using those abilities just requires using them all of the time and in succession. It is really just a single button press over and over.

I think a solution to this issue would be if players regeneration stopped while they where using Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs. The reason that this would be a solution is because it would incentivize players to use fully charged heavy attacks when they are running low on resources. It would also encourage more team play because the users of Puncturing Sweep & Biting Jabs would have to rely more on the other players in the group as sources for stamina and magic.

Anyhow, this is a pretty easy fix and I think it would be best for the future of the game. I hope to see this implemented. Thanks!

@Wing @MaximusDargus

Iyas

i miss the lol button

Mojmir

So just make us permanent healers? Lol

Mr_Nobody

Aha, and Surprise Attack spamming is very interactive and/or fun!

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Yea nerf templars because they are already the worst class lol

Rinmaethodain

Yes, just using same attack over and over again is so boring. Im sure people who keep using biting jabs over and over again feel so bored and i think ZOS should really do something to make them happier.

Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep all over again. Players just pressing same button all over again.
2hand DPS using wrecking blow for single target DPS over and over again.
dual wield DPS mashing same button over and over again to AOE DPS with steel tornado


ZOS should really do something to make it less boring and more fun. Like, using that skill blocks your resource regeneration for next 5 seconds, and if during that you use that skill again, its being extended for another 5 seconds.

Lettigall

Nerf templars!!! ESO needs target dummies!!!!

Mojmir

If your bored hitting the same keys remap it,get some stretching done while your in there.

Soris

lol funny thread.

Personofsecrets

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Aha, and Surprise Attack spamming is very interactive and/or fun!

You have a pretty good point there.

Mojmir

Nerf mantikora, I'm tired of hitting him over and over,he's boring

Soris

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Aha, and Surprise Attack spamming is very interactive and/or fun!

You have a pretty good point there.

So the problem isnt only jabs you see? But hey nerf jabs and we pretend all good

Ludof

Please don't get me wrong but I think you have never played Templar; for example
Magicka Templar would use Channeled Focus and invest anything in Magicka cost reduction (CP and Glyph) to let it work.
There are like 5 useless skill (ex:Sun Shield) and you are asking for a new one to add to the list: pointless.
Honestly I feel this post is similar to the ones asking for Sorcs Shields being nerfed; if you want Templar to have a different playstyle just ask good skills for them and stop complaining about the only one "working" (in fact Puncturing Sweep is not working properly, since it is double nerfed by Battle Spirit Debuff and you are actually healed for a ridicolous amount of HP).
However if you really have trouble with these skills try to move and dodge at least the last hit.

Sorry if I was too "rude",but being Templar since 1.3 has been hard in pvp

Aunatar

Is this for real? Guess somebody died from templars in pts
Omg first time a templar killed me! Nerf it!

Alcast

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

I hope you can pass on a sentiment that several people have had here about Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep.

Right now those abilities have lead to Templars getting some of the highest DPS and that is fine, but the play style involved with those abilities isn't really that interactive and it isn't really that fun.

At the very basic level, using those abilities just requires using them all of the time and in succession. It is really just a single button press over and over.

I think a solution to this issue would be if players regeneration stopped while they where using Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs. The reason that this would be a solution is because it would incentivize players to use fully charged heavy attacks when they are running low on resources. It would also encourage more team play because the users of Puncturing Sweep & Biting Jabs would have to rely more on the other players in the group as sources for stamina and magic.

Anyhow, this is a pretty easy fix and I think it would be best for the future of the game. I hope to see this implemented. Thanks!

@Wing @MaximusDargus

Not sure if this is a troll post or not, but

LOOOOOL sry dude, but why dont we just introduce a stop of recovery for EVERY ability we press?

Whip Whip Whip
Conc Weap, Conc Weap, Conc Weap
Force Pulse Force Pulse

Those are sure more interactive

And it may seem so that ppl only spam jabby, but you need to reapply buffs etc...like every other class

Personofsecrets

Alcast wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

I hope you can pass on a sentiment that several people have had here about Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep.

Right now those abilities have lead to Templars getting some of the highest DPS and that is fine, but the play style involved with those abilities isn't really that interactive and it isn't really that fun.

At the very basic level, using those abilities just requires using them all of the time and in succession. It is really just a single button press over and over.

I think a solution to this issue would be if players regeneration stopped while they where using Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs. The reason that this would be a solution is because it would incentivize players to use fully charged heavy attacks when they are running low on resources. It would also encourage more team play because the users of Puncturing Sweep & Biting Jabs would have to rely more on the other players in the group as sources for stamina and magic.

Anyhow, this is a pretty easy fix and I think it would be best for the future of the game. I hope to see this implemented. Thanks!

@Wing @MaximusDargus

, but why dont we just introduce a stop of recovery for EVERY ability we press?

That is a pretty good idea @Alcast

Personofsecrets

Soris wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Aha, and Surprise Attack spamming is very interactive and/or fun!

You have a pretty good point there.

So the problem isnt only jabs you see? But hey nerf jabs and we pretend all good

Hey, go ahead an make a thread to change the things that you think are the must unfun and uninteractive.

Personofsecrets

Mojmir wrote: »

So just make us permanent healers? Lol

I promise it will be okay. You will just have to adapt.

SeptimusDova

Daveheart

Nice troll thread.

Rinmaethodain

Daveheart wrote: »

Nice troll thread.

I wish @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler wheeler would make official "Why 0 stamina regen while blocking is good for long term game health and why we find to be happy with this change". Would post exactly same thing.

cjthibs

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Yes, just using same attack over and over again is so boring. Im sure people who keep using biting jabs over and over again feel so bored and i think ZOS should really do something to make them happier.

Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep all over again. Players just pressing same button all over again.
2hand DPS using wrecking blow for single target DPS over and over again.
dual wield DPS mashing same button over and over again to AOE DPS with steel tornado


ZOS should really do something to make it less boring and more fun. Like, using that skill blocks your resource regeneration for next 5 seconds, and if during that you use that skill again, its being extended for another 5 seconds.

Still more fun than holding down block 24/7.
Which is really what this is about.

The DPS Master Race/ZOS collective is onto you @MaximusDargus. You'd do well not to call down our ire upon yourself.

Personofsecrets

cjthibs wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Yes, just using same attack over and over again is so boring. Im sure people who keep using biting jabs over and over again feel so bored and i think ZOS should really do something to make them happier.

Biting Jabs and Puncturing Sweep all over again. Players just pressing same button all over again.
2hand DPS using wrecking blow for single target DPS over and over again.
dual wield DPS mashing same button over and over again to AOE DPS with steel tornado


ZOS should really do something to make it less boring and more fun. Like, using that skill blocks your resource regeneration for next 5 seconds, and if during that you use that skill again, its being extended for another 5 seconds.

Still more fun than holding down block 24/7.
Which is really what this is about.

The DPS Master Race/ZOS collective is onto you @MaximusDargus. You'd do well not to call down our ire upon yourself.

This thread is about Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs being not really that interactive and not really that fun.

Please do not derail the thread.

Soris

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Aha, and Surprise Attack spamming is very interactive and/or fun!

You have a pretty good point there.

So the problem isnt only jabs you see? But hey nerf jabs and we pretend all good

Hey, go ahead an make a thread to change the things that you think are the must unfun and uninteractive.

Why bother when there are people to make those threads, right?
Having no softcaps coupled with champion system is the root of the problem. Isn't that so obvious?
So why not bringing it back instead of this and block/dodge nerfs?

cjthibs

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This thread is about Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs being not really that interactive and not really that fun.

Please do not derail the thread.

This thread is pure troll. Anyone can see that. And it's not even all that clever.

Personofsecrets

Soris wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Aha, and Surprise Attack spamming is very interactive and/or fun!

You have a pretty good point there.

So the problem isnt only jabs you see? But hey nerf jabs and we pretend all good

Hey, go ahead an make a thread to change the things that you think are the must unfun and uninteractive.

Why bother when there are people to make those threads, right?
Having no softcaps coupled with champion system is the root of the problem. Isn't that so obvious?
So why not bringing it back instead of this and block/dodge nerfs?

I'm not totally sure what you mean, but I see your point about champion points as possibly being valid. You should make a thread detailing your opinions about champion points and how they effect players power level and play style.

That being said, I don't see the champion point system as going anywhere so I therefore think what would be best for the health of the game is the slight tweak to abilities that I discuss in the original post.

Personofsecrets

cjthibs wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This thread is about Puncturing Sweep and Biting Jabs being not really that interactive and not really that fun.

Please do not derail the thread.

This thread is pure troll. Anyone can see that. And it's not even all that clever.

Please do not get off topic.

acw37162

Better idea blocking, block casting, or using any ability in any tree in any skill line in the game removes all regen, all meaning all no health no magica, no stamina.

This is good for long term health of the game.

I'm not on test but have been watching streams intently and reading everything I can posted on test especially any developer feedback.

When the stamina nerf of 2015 happens I will no longer be a subscribing customer. I will give a few weeks to try it out but I can already see how stamina builds have almost no advantages to magjca builds in any class PVE or PVP. Since I don't enjoy magical builds I'll just take a pass and ZOS can make do without my $15 (subscription) to $100 (sub plus crowns) I spend a month.

Get the balance right and I might come back but who knows what will be out and worth playing by then. Not sense in finically supporting in this. Especially when I think there are better less intrusive less balance skewing (between magics builds and stamina builds) options.

You got $50 from me this month and may get my September sub as the patch won't hit for PS4 till then after that is up to you guys and the decisions you make.

Not to mention the werewolf passive change and for that matter vampire changes bother the hell out of me. The whole slotting of abilities to gain passives is only overshadowed in ridiculousness by it's implementation.

Werewolf is an ultimate and you only get two ultimate slots. At the very least the regen should be available as long as you have it slotted in one of the two ultimate slots you should not be required to slot on your main bar or both bars to keep the regen benefit.

Vampire, well you can't have your passive regent abilities but you still get to keep your undeath passive, huh? Oh wait on top of having one of the best escape and amaze mitigating skills in the entire game you can also chose one on the best ultimate a in the game but wait there is more; even if you make a co Sirius choice to forgo a vampire skill and give up your passive reign bonus you still take the plus fire damage, whaaaaaatttttt?

Personofsecrets

acw37162 wrote: »

Better idea blocking, block casting, or using any ability in any tree in any skill line in the game removes all regen, all meaning all no health no magica, no stamina.

This is really something that the developers should look into as it would really enhance the combat experience. I encourage you to leave feedback here on the forums with your fleshed out idea.

Soris

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Aha, and Surprise Attack spamming is very interactive and/or fun!

You have a pretty good point there.

So the problem isnt only jabs you see? But hey nerf jabs and we pretend all good

Hey, go ahead an make a thread to change the things that you think are the must unfun and uninteractive.

Why bother when there are people to make those threads, right?
Having no softcaps coupled with champion system is the root of the problem. Isn't that so obvious?
So why not bringing it back instead of this and block/dodge nerfs?

I'm not totally sure what you mean, but I see your point about champion points as possibly being valid. You should make a thread detailing your opinions about champion points and how they effect players power level and play style.

That being said, I don't see the champion point system as going anywhere so I therefore think what would be best for the health of the game is the slight tweak to abilities that I discuss in the original post.

It's softcaps not only CS. CS just makes it worse. Didn't you read what I wrote?

Anyways.
I'll just step back a bit and watch the fun. While hoping the best for game that ZOS will finally start listening reasonable feedbacks.

bosmern_ESO

Your asking for a nerf for Templars, the single templar ability that is actually good.