what if damage shields didnt allow you to regen magicka while active

Wing

eh, eh, c'mon its only fair.

Darlon

No, because unlike with blocking (where you can just release your block) you can't stop (or better said, you can't cancel) having your shield applied.

Leandor

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Dracane

No, it's not fair. Block is supposed to totally mitigate 1 hit and prevent you from being CCed. Permablock is something for heavy armor tanks. Even if they don't block for a moment, they will not die
Damage shields neither negate nor protect you from CC. Light armor mage is insta dead without a damage shield, you can't just not use them.

Sithisvoid

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

Dracane

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

There are 2 solutions. Remove stamina regeneration while blocking, or HIGHLY increase the stamina cost for each attack you block. This way tanks can still use all their regen, can block without the fear to loose regen. But they must consider, if they should just block everything and run out of stamina, or if they use blocks to block Strong attacks or CCs like Wrecking blow and such things.

DDuke

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.


To address the OP: I'd be fine with a change like this, though you'll have to account that casting shields is very expensive compared to blocking, and there are not many passives or skills that support regenerating magicka. With some tweaks, this would be doable though undoubtedly.

Bfish22090

And how about you don't regen health while dealing damage?
I'm sure we can think of more let's do it!

Sithisvoid

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army. Last time i checked mobs don't take hours to clear.

DDuke

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army

No offense, but you've been watching too many movies.

Much like Roman legions, they rotated tired men to the back line and had fresh ones step up.

Nor were they unkillable while blocking. One well aimed strike and people died.

Contrary to what you might believe, they did not have 90% damage mitigation

Darlon

Even more so, this is a game, not the real world..

Leandor

Dracane wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

There are 2 solutions. Remove stamina regeneration while blocking, or HIGHLY increase the stamina cost for each attack you block. This way tanks can still use all their regen, can block without the fear to loose regen. But they must consider, if they should just block everything and run out of stamina, or if they use blocks to block Strong attacks or CCs like Wrecking blow and such things.

There's a third one. Fix resource regeneration. The only stats in desperate need of soft caps / hard caps.

Sithisvoid

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army

No offense, but you've been watching too many movies.

Much like Roman legions, they rotated tired men to the back line and had fresh ones step up.

Nor were they unkillable while blocking. One well aimed strike and people died.

Contrary to what you might believe, they did not have 90% damage mitigation

I'm sure 300 men had chances to "rotate" while "arrows blocked out the sun". Just because it's a movie doesn't mean it's not history. Maybe pick up a book sometime. The sheer size of Persia's army vs. 300 men didn't leave much time to "rotate" Also they had 100% damage mitigation since no arrows were striking them. simple math. "one well aimed strike and people died" then how did 300 manage to defeat an entire army of archers? You mean to tell me not one single person was a good shot? rubbbbisshhhhh

DDuke

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army

No offense, but you've been watching too many movies.

Much like Roman legions, they rotated tired men to the back line and had fresh ones step up.

Nor were they unkillable while blocking. One well aimed strike and people died.

Contrary to what you might believe, they did not have 90% damage mitigation

I'm sure 300 men had chances to "rotate" while "arrows blocked out the sun". Just because it's a movie doesn't mean it's not history. Maybe pick up a book sometime. The sheer size of Persia's army vs. 300 men didn't leave much time to "rotate"

Just because it's a movie, doesn't mean it's historically accurate.

If you want to know what happened at Thermopylae, I suggest you read some of those books, or check wikipedia.

Besides, they lost that fight even in the movie...

Apokh

DFTT

Robbmrp

Interesting idea. It would help the endless shield spammers out there and seems only fair with no stamina regen while blocking. Why should shields be different? Both of these affect my current build so I feel the pain the same as everyone else.

Sithisvoid

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army

No offense, but you've been watching too many movies.

Much like Roman legions, they rotated tired men to the back line and had fresh ones step up.

Nor were they unkillable while blocking. One well aimed strike and people died.

Contrary to what you might believe, they did not have 90% damage mitigation

I'm sure 300 men had chances to "rotate" while "arrows blocked out the sun". Just because it's a movie doesn't mean it's not history. Maybe pick up a book sometime. The sheer size of Persia's army vs. 300 men didn't leave much time to "rotate"

Just because it's a movie, doesn't mean it's historically accurate.

If you want to know what happened at Thermopylae, I suggest you read some of those books, or check wikipedia.

Besides, they lost that fight even in the movie...

Doesn't matter they used shields to mitigate damage from an entire army days on end. Stay on topic. The shields were so effective 300 men used them to mitigate damage against thousands. Historical fact. They held off for two days with no apparent lack of stamina

Darlon wrote: »

Even more so, this is a game, not the real world..

All the more reason blocking should be more powerful. I can cast spells, turn into a werewolf, kill gods, but can't find the stamina to block? What about all the weight I'm carrying? Wouldn't that affect stamina?

DDuke

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army

No offense, but you've been watching too many movies.

Much like Roman legions, they rotated tired men to the back line and had fresh ones step up.

Nor were they unkillable while blocking. One well aimed strike and people died.

Contrary to what you might believe, they did not have 90% damage mitigation

I'm sure 300 men had chances to "rotate" while "arrows blocked out the sun". Just because it's a movie doesn't mean it's not history. Maybe pick up a book sometime. The sheer size of Persia's army vs. 300 men didn't leave much time to "rotate"

Just because it's a movie, doesn't mean it's historically accurate.

If you want to know what happened at Thermopylae, I suggest you read some of those books, or check wikipedia.

Besides, they lost that fight even in the movie...

Doesn't matter they used shields to mitigate damage from an entire army days on end. Stay on topic. The shields were so effective 300 men used them to mitigate damage against thousands. Historical fact. They held off for two days with no apparent lack of stamina

But they didn't... and the total number of Greeks in that battle was around 20 000 (according to modern historians), not 300. Even the ancient Greek historians put the number at 5000 atleast.

The battle itself lasted 3 days, and actually they did rotate men to prevent fatigue:

Herodotus says that the units for each city were kept together; units were rotated in and out of the battle to prevent fatigue

Again, I would actually study that history before claiming things as "historical facts".


I don't know how you can even keep trying to argue about this...

EnOeZ

Wing wrote: »

eh, eh, c'mon its only fair.

+1 quite good in fact.
Damage shield is currently used as a perma-buff.
Don't think it should.

Sithisvoid

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army

No offense, but you've been watching too many movies.

Much like Roman legions, they rotated tired men to the back line and had fresh ones step up.

Nor were they unkillable while blocking. One well aimed strike and people died.

Contrary to what you might believe, they did not have 90% damage mitigation

I'm sure 300 men had chances to "rotate" while "arrows blocked out the sun". Just because it's a movie doesn't mean it's not history. Maybe pick up a book sometime. The sheer size of Persia's army vs. 300 men didn't leave much time to "rotate"

Just because it's a movie, doesn't mean it's historically accurate.

If you want to know what happened at Thermopylae, I suggest you read some of those books, or check wikipedia.

Besides, they lost that fight even in the movie...

Doesn't matter they used shields to mitigate damage from an entire army days on end. Stay on topic. The shields were so effective 300 men used them to mitigate damage against thousands. Historical fact. They held off for two days with no apparent lack of stamina

But they didn't... and the total number of Greeks in that battle was around 20 000 (according to modern historians), not 300. Even the ancient Greek historians put the number at 5000 atleast.

The battle itself lasted 3 days, and actually they did rotate men to prevent fatigue:

Herodotus says that the units for each city were kept together; units were rotated in and out of the battle to prevent fatigue

Again, I would actually study that history before claiming things as "historical facts".


I don't know how you can even keep trying to argue about this...

So how does that make it impossible to regen stamina during one single mob fight while blocking? No mention of how long they were there before rotating. So by your logic mid evil times never happened because everyone was too tired to swing a sword. History argues otherwise and shields were used very effectively. More so than in ESO which is a huge joke since we can kill gods, cast spells, turn into mist but can't find the stamina to block a mob. well done ZOS makes zero sense. If this is going to happen there needs to be a penalty for swinging your sword more than once because it's only fair. More swings= fatigue. Weight needs to start counting. Heavier equipment= more fatigue. Want to get real with it? You don't have room to carry around 35 swords, extra armor, gold, your horse would be dead from over riding. All this stamina regen issue will do is create more shield stacking and the pvp whiners will cry about those too until the entire game gets nerfed. Can't the change just be pvp exclusive?

Leandor

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking sounds ridiculous anyway. I mean how long was the phalanx used successfully in military tactics? Those guys had plenty of stamina. Just proof perma blocking is a very valid tactic

That is ridiculous... I challenge you to find one person who can/could keep blocking infinitely.

That said, I'm sure they had plenty of stamina, which is why you should consider putting more points into stamina with your tank

You'll block for a looong time, but you won't block infinitely.

Tanks don't block "Infinitely" either. They block a mob, let it down and move on to the next one. Your point is invalid. The Greeks held the phalanx formation hours on end. hours on end. 300 men even used it to defeat an entire army

No offense, but you've been watching too many movies.

Much like Roman legions, they rotated tired men to the back line and had fresh ones step up.

Nor were they unkillable while blocking. One well aimed strike and people died.

Contrary to what you might believe, they did not have 90% damage mitigation

I'm sure 300 men had chances to "rotate" while "arrows blocked out the sun". Just because it's a movie doesn't mean it's not history. Maybe pick up a book sometime. The sheer size of Persia's army vs. 300 men didn't leave much time to "rotate"

Just because it's a movie, doesn't mean it's historically accurate.

If you want to know what happened at Thermopylae, I suggest you read some of those books, or check wikipedia.

Besides, they lost that fight even in the movie...

Doesn't matter they used shields to mitigate damage from an entire army days on end. Stay on topic. The shields were so effective 300 men used them to mitigate damage against thousands. Historical fact. They held off for two days with no apparent lack of stamina

But they didn't... and the total number of Greeks in that battle was around 20 000 (according to modern historians), not 300. Even the ancient Greek historians put the number at 5000 atleast.

The battle itself lasted 3 days, and actually they did rotate men to prevent fatigue:

Herodotus says that the units for each city were kept together; units were rotated in and out of the battle to prevent fatigue

Again, I would actually study that history before claiming things as "historical facts".


I don't know how you can even keep trying to argue about this...

But but but... Frank Miller just has got to be right!

kkampaseb17_ESO

They could have taken the long way and actually modify the cost of each absorb shield and the cost of blocking to be appropriate for both PvE but also for PvP (even in 1 vs 1 situations). Perma block is not fun for anyone....even the tank itself. Perma shield isn't fun for anyone with the exception of the caster that obviously laughs his ass off.....

Instead they went with 0 stamina recovery while blocking and -50% absorb shield effectivity in PvP.

Rinmaethodain

0 stamina regen while blocking

0 magicka regen while shield up

0 magicka regen while casting

0 stamina regen when spamming 1 skill to DPS a targed

0 stamina magicka regen while healing

0 health regen while sneezing

All of above make just much sense, or quite the opposite, make absolutely no sense.

Swarog

Hurts? Feel like a tank with zero stamina regen while blocking.

cjthibs

Wait. Legend ≠ Fact?

OGLezard

I am 100% ok with permablocking.....as long as you CAN NOT use ANY skills while blocking UNLESS it is a blocking required skill. Give back stamina regen while blocking if they want, but do NOT allow anyone who holds block (casters or tanks and anything in between) to be able to cast skills. That would fix the situation

Sithisvoid

I know it's much easier for people to argue semantics and useless facts than to take the actual example of shields being viable. I guess all of history and weaponry was wrong because the children on this forum say so. Geez I never knew. I can't wait until pvp kids get your bubble shields nerfed. It's coming don't worry

Ludof

Dracane wrote: »

No, it's not fair. Block is supposed to totally mitigate 1 hit and prevent you from being CCed. Permablock is something for heavy armor tanks. Even if they don't block for a moment, they will not die
Damage shields neither negate nor protect you from CC. Light armor mage is insta dead without a damage shield, you can't just not use them.

Totally agree, no point to nerf the only defence sorcs have against anything.
It would be better if they increase the cost for the shield if recasted before it expires (applying the same nerf they did with dodge roll or Streak); hopefully this should stop Healing Ward spammers.

Healing ward is the issue.

Dracane

Ludof wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

No, it's not fair. Block is supposed to totally mitigate 1 hit and prevent you from being CCed. Permablock is something for heavy armor tanks. Even if they don't block for a moment, they will not die
Damage shields neither negate nor protect you from CC. Light armor mage is insta dead without a damage shield, you can't just not use them.

Totally agree, no point to nerf the only defence sorcs have against anything.
It would be better if they increase the cost for the shield if recasted before it expires (applying the same nerf they did with dodge roll or Streak); hopefully this should stop Healing Ward spammers.

Healing ward is the issue.

Not only for Sorcerers, Magicka Nightblades as well and basically any Magicka build.

But healing ward is too much, I have insight why people complain about damage shields. Because healing ward is too strong.
Hardened Ward alone does nothing, it's quite laughable compared to what healing ward does.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Well would stop infi shield spammers who don't die even if attacked by 7 different players at once but maybe that be little to much...... maybe 30% less magicka regen.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

simple idea for the permablock issue : only SB abilities (aka tanking abilities) can be used when blocking. problem solved. Let the stam regen up. Only tanks can permablock, if you want to deal damage while blocking, just use SB abilities OR don't block. *** and the taunt should work in pvp too, like an immobilize or something.

For shileds, like dodge rolls, multiply the cost if spam casting.