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Why am I getting completely wrecked in PVP?
Valn
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I haven't played for a while, I used to be so good in PVP with my DK tank, I have full yellow armor and weapon, I have the tankiest tank gear you could get, and still I get wrecked even by one person in PVP....wtf is going on?
Has there been an update where you get PVP gear? People seem so much more powerful now
Has there been an update where you get PVP gear? People seem so much more powerful now
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✭✭✭✭✭Depending on circumstances, you could be getting macroed. If your health just drops from full to nothing, that's... let's call it suspect mechanic interactions.
If you're dying through normal combat, there's a couple things. Some PvP sets actually only interact with players, so it's something as a non-PvPer you wouldn't have time and experience with. Some of it is just time and experience. PvP is very different from PvE... in some respects. So knowing how powers work on players can bet he difference between victory and being smeared across the walls.4 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭CheeseDivinity wrote: »
Wait so you're telling me that someone who's grinded 1000 CP farming the same mobs over and over for hours and hours and days and days will have an advantage over me?3 -
Techlisp✭✭✭CheeseDivinity wrote: »
Wait so you're telling me that someone who's grinded 1000 CP farming the same mobs over and over for hours and hours and days and days will have an advantage over me?
Not in life, only in the game.
This post will not take you an unusually long time to read.
PS4. EU. EP.31 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CheeseDivinity wrote: »
Wait so you're telling me that someone who's grinded 1000 CP farming the same mobs over and over for hours and hours and days and days will have an advantage over me?
Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
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✭starkerealm wrote: »CheeseDivinity wrote: »
Wait so you're telling me that someone who's grinded 1000 CP farming the same mobs over and over for hours and hours and days and days will have an advantage over me?
Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.
Yeah, his +20% inspiration boost will be a real boon.
While it does boost you, the actual value of CP, especially after the first 360 or so, gets massively overstated on these forums. To be fair, it's usually by players who haven't even unlocked the system yet, but, you know.7 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.
Yeah, his +20% inspiration boost will be a real boon.
While it does boost you, the actual value of CP, especially after the first 360 or so, gets massively overstated on these forums. To be fair, it's usually by players who haven't even unlocked the system yet, but, you know.
I didnt unlock it either but got on pts. And can i say i love how you awoid the resoruces and their regeneration but cherry picked one passive?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.
Yeah, his +20% inspiration boost will be a real boon.
While it does boost you, the actual value of CP, especially after the first 360 or so, gets massively overstated on these forums. To be fair, it's usually by players who haven't even unlocked the system yet, but, you know.
I didnt unlock it either but got on pts. And can i say i love how you awoid the resoruces and their regeneration but cherry picked one passive?
No, I cherry picked the dumbest passive. There is a difference. Though, to be fair, it is the 30 point passive on the resource discount constellation.
Actually, for the CP on PTS, there is an easy beginner mistake to make, which will gimp you out of the gate. 300 CP is enough to max 3 stars. That is a very bad idea. You want to spread 10 points across as many stars as you can. Those first 10 points will give you far more bang for your buck than just blindly maxing out one that looks appealing.
The progression is not linear. So your first 10 points will usually push you about 20% of the way towards the final value for that star. So sticking ten points in, say, sword master, and 10 points in physical damage up, will yield better damage results than simply putting 20 in either.
How you allocate is actually pretty important.9 -
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✭I haven't played for a while, I used to be so good in PVP with my DK tank, I have full yellow armor and weapon, I have the tankiest tank gear you could get, and still I get wrecked even by one person in PVP....wtf is going on?
Has there been an update where you get PVP gear? People seem so much more powerful now
Well, there is no tanky armor on live.
Every stamina user has access to 100% armor pen to a bug, so you take full dmg regardless of how legendary your gear is.
If you want to be tanky DK in 1.6 you need around 300+ CP. You need to be able to block most physical attacks (since you cant mitigate them). You will get killed in 1-3 hits if you aren't blocking or have a shield up, that's even in heavy armor.
Also stack nirn trait to get 40-50k spell resistance, than you only have to worry about half the player population doing insane dmg.
PvP balance in 1.6 is really horrible.3 -
NDwarf✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.
Yeah, his +20% inspiration boost will be a real boon.
While it does boost you, the actual value of CP, especially after the first 360 or so, gets massively overstated on these forums. To be fair, it's usually by players who haven't even unlocked the system yet, but, you know.
I didnt unlock it either but got on pts. And can i say i love how you awoid the resoruces and their regeneration but cherry picked one passive?
No, I cherry picked the dumbest passive. There is a difference. Though, to be fair, it is the 30 point passive on the resource discount constellation.
Actually, for the CP on PTS, there is an easy beginner mistake to make, which will gimp you out of the gate. 300 CP is enough to max 3 stars. That is a very bad idea. You want to spread 10 points across as many stars as you can. Those first 10 points will give you far more bang for your buck than just blindly maxing out one that looks appealing.
The progression is not linear. So your first 10 points will usually push you about 20% of the way towards the final value for that star. So sticking ten points in, say, sword master, and 10 points in physical damage up, will yield better damage results than simply putting 20 in either.
How you allocate is actually pretty important.
That's...damn some actual useful information from the forums. I'll try this out. Only have like 50 cp's to work with but most of my eggs are in one basket.1 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.
Yeah, his +20% inspiration boost will be a real boon.
While it does boost you, the actual value of CP, especially after the first 360 or so, gets massively overstated on these forums. To be fair, it's usually by players who haven't even unlocked the system yet, but, you know.
I didnt unlock it either but got on pts. And can i say i love how you awoid the resoruces and their regeneration but cherry picked one passive?
No, I cherry picked the dumbest passive. There is a difference. Though, to be fair, it is the 30 point passive on the resource discount constellation.
Actually, for the CP on PTS, there is an easy beginner mistake to make, which will gimp you out of the gate. 300 CP is enough to max 3 stars. That is a very bad idea. You want to spread 10 points across as many stars as you can. Those first 10 points will give you far more bang for your buck than just blindly maxing out one that looks appealing.
The progression is not linear. So your first 10 points will usually push you about 20% of the way towards the final value for that star. So sticking ten points in, say, sword master, and 10 points in physical damage up, will yield better damage results than simply putting 20 in either.
How you allocate is actually pretty important.
That's...damn some actual useful information from the forums. I'll try this out. Only have like 50 cp's to work with but most of my eggs are in one basket.
The only big exception to this is in the blue section... where you want to initially go for 30 points in one tree to get your 12% crit bonus... EG for magicka builds that's 'Spell Precision'... usually by stacking into elemental damage in most cases. There's an equivalent 12% crit passive for 30 points in the blue tree on the far right for weapon crit (Name escapes me right now).Edited by Flaminir on August 16, 2015 2:59PMGM of the Unholy LegacyEU/EPSorcerer Flaminir (Magicka) / Staminir (Stamina)
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markt84✭✭✭Yup people grind for hours and hours and hours and hours for CPs because they don't matter at all4
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.
Yeah, his +20% inspiration boost will be a real boon.
While it does boost you, the actual value of CP, especially after the first 360 or so, gets massively overstated on these forums. To be fair, it's usually by players who haven't even unlocked the system yet, but, you know.
I didnt unlock it either but got on pts. And can i say i love how you awoid the resoruces and their regeneration but cherry picked one passive?
No, I cherry picked the dumbest passive. There is a difference. Though, to be fair, it is the 30 point passive on the resource discount constellation.
Actually, for the CP on PTS, there is an easy beginner mistake to make, which will gimp you out of the gate. 300 CP is enough to max 3 stars. That is a very bad idea. You want to spread 10 points across as many stars as you can. Those first 10 points will give you far more bang for your buck than just blindly maxing out one that looks appealing.
The progression is not linear. So your first 10 points will usually push you about 20% of the way towards the final value for that star. So sticking ten points in, say, sword master, and 10 points in physical damage up, will yield better damage results than simply putting 20 in either.
How you allocate is actually pretty important.
That's...damn some actual useful information from the forums. I'll try this out. Only have like 50 cp's to work with but most of my eggs are in one basket.
The only big exception to this is in the blue section... where you want to initially go for 30 points in one tree to get your 12% crit bonus... EG for magicka builds that's 'Spell Precision'... usually by stacking into elemental damage in most cases. There's an equivalent 12% crit passive for 30 points in the blue tree on the far right for weapon crit (Name escapes me right now).
Yeah, specifically if you dump 10 points in three stars on a constellation, you'll get the 30 point unlock, and still get the best payout from your individual CP.
On live, you usually want to get a constellation to its 30 point, before you worry about the other constellations on that aspect. But, the individual stars? Don't worry about getting them above 10 points any time soon. In fact, if there's three stars in a constellation, that you're actively feeding? Look at increasing the lowest score first, whenever you have a CP to throw at it, and keep them all roughly equal.0 -
InvictoNZ✭✭✭Mace, some really "skilled" players got really "skilled" at using sharpened (what?) maces. (surely these are blunt).
Tanky = 0 armour against sharpened maces.
The ratio of blunt weapons before and after the bug became known is nearly 99.99% people exploiting. The other 0.01% actually designed their build that way.
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✭"Mace, some really "skilled" players got really "skilled" at using sharpened (what?) maces. (surely these are blunt)." by InvictoNZ
Sharpened Mace to the Face baby
Yup they are soooo Blunt..
PS- on a side note, I only used either Sharpened swords or daggers for Kotaro, never maces.Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on August 17, 2015 5:03AMSigned, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3120 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. Both Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.1 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭For me every time, even NB swallow soul which does less damage to player/NPC but for HIGH CP players its...Edited by Van_0S on August 17, 2015 5:21AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »For me every time, even NB swallow soul which does less damage to player/NPC but for HIGH CP players its...
No, it hits for 1006, you had the FTC on upside-down.3 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭@Starkerealm,
I got ko by a player using swallow soul and the damage was 9045 to be exact.0 -
Prokonto✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Yeah, they're hitting you about 10% harder than you're hitting them. Clearly it's completely out of hand.
Especially when you count in bonus magica stamina and health, also regeneration of resources + all the passives.
Yeah, his +20% inspiration boost will be a real boon.
While it does boost you, the actual value of CP, especially after the first 360 or so, gets massively overstated on these forums. To be fair, it's usually by players who haven't even unlocked the system yet, but, you know.
I didnt unlock it either but got on pts. And can i say i love how you awoid the resoruces and their regeneration but cherry picked one passive?
No, I cherry picked the dumbest passive. There is a difference. Though, to be fair, it is the 30 point passive on the resource discount constellation.
Actually, for the CP on PTS, there is an easy beginner mistake to make, which will gimp you out of the gate. 300 CP is enough to max 3 stars. That is a very bad idea. You want to spread 10 points across as many stars as you can. Those first 10 points will give you far more bang for your buck than just blindly maxing out one that looks appealing.
The progression is not linear. So your first 10 points will usually push you about 20% of the way towards the final value for that star. So sticking ten points in, say, sword master, and 10 points in physical damage up, will yield better damage results than simply putting 20 in either.
How you allocate is actually pretty important.
That's...damn some actual useful information from the forums. I'll try this out. Only have like 50 cp's to work with but most of my eggs are in one basket.
The only big exception to this is in the blue section... where you want to initially go for 30 points in one tree to get your 12% crit bonus... EG for magicka builds that's 'Spell Precision'... usually by stacking into elemental damage in most cases. There's an equivalent 12% crit passive for 30 points in the blue tree on the far right for weapon crit (Name escapes me right now).
It's called the Ritual.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »@Starkerealm,
I got ko by a player using swallow soul and the damage was 9045 to be exact.
That would require them to get their base damage to around 3k before CP... which, yeah, that starts to sound plausible. If they hit you with a crit.0 -
toca79✭Obviously this game pvp is poorly conceived, after playing it a bit it's clear that almost all classes are unbalanced and that only certain builds are vaible in pvp while others are completly useless.
Champion points made it all worse, giving veteran players an ulterior edge over us newbies, 25% mitigation and 25% damage are a huge amount, especially since most of us still don't have the right equipment, not to mention dying for a 25k proximity detonation or in the middle of a bat swarm spam train.
Yesterday i was in full raid group of vr 14 and we've been annihilated by 6 enemies (yes six!): now i get that they are probably great players, use ts, and whatnot but 24 vs 6 is ridiculous.
They should've been instacrushed instead we had to retreat and the frustration was really gettin at our heads.
The real problem is that like this it's simply not funny to play, you don't feel you give a real contribution to the war and you just keep dying and dying wasting a lot of time.
Zos should really rework most of the classes and look into pvp skills that are way too op but i doubt they will, the vast majority of players will just reroll another class to be competitive while those that aren't willing to do so will just stop playing1 -
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That i would understand. Condemn but understand. But i know many spend hours running in very limited space killing thousands of mobs. That what i dont get and really dont want to do.0 -
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✭Armour is useless
Dodge roll and streak will cost lots.
Blocking will become prohibitive.
7 Light magicka DPS build stacking shields is the only way to go now I think.
Sorc will be best off as they can just stand there and suck up the damage while everyone else runs out of resources and/or has no other defense.
We would have come full circle to magicka build dominance again.
I fear what you come across was them doing damage and being effective and you doing lots of damage and hitting like a wet noodle regardless.
Vigour and rally and resource on hit is a thing too.
I went to IC last night with my own build V14 with 2000+ weapon damage tank build.
Got owned using the same skills as a v16 NB that ganked me where his damage hurt and mine did nothing.
Built a v16 template and weapon damage was 1800 and armour considerably less
Fair dos he waited for me to be occupied with NPCs and drained.
Those NPCs hit hard above ground.
I have little hope for the future of ESO.
Its either hopelessly imbalanced... or exploit central.
You want CPs not just for damage/regen/cost/mitigation.
You want to max out damage shields as anything else is worthless.Anything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭It's an exploit thing. you'll notice most people are dualwielding maces, those maces have the sharpened trait.
They are actually ignoring over 30k of physical resistance, so all your yellow gear will do nothing if you don't have more than 50k armor... they'll fix this next update, that's why the PTS has so many people complaining about giving 'less damage'
... Mai cave. >:31 -
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It could never be bad play. Getting Wrecked happens OP. Play better.
Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
Killed by Early Bright - Blood Flow - Magicka NB Build
Twitch - SunshineNB
Youtube - The Redguard1 -
EnOeZ✭✭✭✭I haven't played for a while, I used to be so good in PVP with my DK tank, I have full yellow armor and weapon, I have the tankiest tank gear you could get, and still I get wrecked even by one person in PVP....wtf is going on?
Has there been an update where you get PVP gear? People seem so much more powerful now
It happens that Heavy Armor PVP in this game is a bad joke AND has been nerfed.
You can have a look at my posts, but sadly I am not the ability designer.
Heavy is useless :- Less DPS,
- Less Sustain
- Less Survivability (cause passive mitigation < active mitigation, damage shields and heals)
AND... you happen to be a DK which is currently vastly underpowered compared to sorcs and NBs who can escape much easily unfavorable fights while benefiting from true effective burst options and of course light and medium armor awesomeness.
ZOS just hate (no really hate !!!!) Heavy Armor PVP and has no clue of melee imperatives (fighting roots and snares, needing much higher resources, etc.)
Just start another post about the pity state of Heavy Armor PVP !
Are you Stamina ?
If you are it is even worst.Edited by EnOeZ on August 17, 2015 3:33PM0
