What SHOULDN'T be included in ESO housing?

SahrotRein

Included a bit lusty Argonian Maid

*cough*

Gidorick

I actually disagree with the idea of farms NOT being added. I think farms would be great but should have to be maintained, take multiple days to grow and have limited cultivation.

Shimmer

Gidorick wrote: »

I actually disagree with the idea of farms NOT being added. I think farms would be great but should have to be maintained, take multiple days to grow and have limited cultivation.

I do have to admit there was something fun about farming and sheering my bears and sheep in archeage. Though the game turned into crap, the farms and houses were fun!

Gidorick

Sylance9 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I actually disagree with the idea of farms NOT being added. I think farms would be great but should have to be maintained, take multiple days to grow and have limited cultivation.

I do have to admit there was something fun about farming and sheering my bears and sheep in archeage. Though the game turned into crap, the farms and houses were fun!

Lol. Never even considered livestock!

Whatever "material farms" there are can't be SO lucrative that our wouldn't make sense to farm out in the wild. Farming in homes should be supplemental not replacement.

NadiusMaximus

Idk, a lot can change in the five years it will take them.

Reznique

What shouldn't be included? The housing itself.

The game is so full of bugs and other stupid features such as CP... I'd be much happier to see ZOS addressing some important issues than adding a totally useless feature into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO

I know that you (Gidorick) gave a lot of thought to many aspects of the game and I respect that, that however does not in my humble opinion give you any status to say" we" instead of "I".

If there is going to be housing I for one would like it to be a wayshrine, to have merchants (at least a basic vendor), all crafting stations (why the hell couldn't you sew or chop wood in your own home ?) , and some stuff to farm/gather (maybe we would have to choose one of all 6 categories of crafting materials).

And it should have a writs' board (or a courier to bring the orders to you), same for undaunted pledges. And a bank representative. It's such a pain to have to travel to the same place everyday to do the exact same thing, this kind of things makes the game boring, more boring than it is !

I don't think that towns currently are "pleasant and animated", it's just crowded with people who don't care about other, keep their daedric pets on, spam all kinds of useless skills (rapid maneuver... ) and run all over the place, I prefer to not go there so often any more. Going there for questing / special vendors / guild stores / thieving and hideout should be enough.

On a side note I think it should be located in an area corresponding to our race (after all, it's our "home").

And it would be funny if our other characters on the same account would "visit" us ! :-)

Gidorick

I said "we" because the list is being generated from the comments in this thread @anitajoneb17_ESO. Yes, I Am the one who made the thread but the ideas are from a body of players that makes up the "we". I voiced my personal opinion on Wayshrine inclusion and took care to say "I" feel and then not include it in the list because I didn't think it was something with which the community would agree.

The list isn't populated with my ideas. I'll make that clearer.

You're right about the towns. It's more an illusion of a community than it is an actual community. But many of us feel we shouldn't cannibalize the towns to make personal homes. I do think towns need some adjustments, but those are different topics than this one.

Topics such as
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/140248/merchant-specific-perk-suggestion
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162857/remove-zone-chat-and-do-the-following
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157644/environment-weather-systems-overhaul-concept/p1

If towns closed for the night, or town merchants offered better return than generic merchants, I'd be more inclined to agree with the need for some town features in player homes. As the systems are, though, it would just turn every town into a ghost town.

I love the idea of Alts lounging around my home! That would really encourage players to make alts... I can only imagine the "lusty maids" people would make! Lol!

MrGrimey

Nothing to prevent people from being from visiting the main city's... On console it's hard enough to form a group with no text chat, housing will make it even harder if it enables players to stay in their house the whole time

I honestly think housing is a bad idea and that there are way more "useful" things the debs could be doing with their time

Enodoc

No Justice System (ie, no access to a Fence, and no Guards)

Psychobunni

What SHOULDN'T be included in ESO housing?......Crowns required to own

Emissary_Vex

My main worry about housing is that it might be too heavily tied to the crown store. I'm ok with some cool statues or some sort of item pack in the store. What I do NOT want to see is a house itself that can only be bought from the store, or primary features being sold in the crown store.

Some examples, only being able to place 100 items in your house unless you buy a 500 item unlock from the store. Or only being able to place a wayshrine in your house if you buy it from the crown store.

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO

Do not let players sell houses......

ThisOnePosts

I'd like them to add some sort of "account station"... where you can collect your mail for all characters (it gets tiresome logging in and out of all of my characters and really a waste of time) also to peak and what's in the inventory of each, etc... maybe for newer players add in other things like timer on horse skills, etc..

Sure there are add-ons for a few things like trait research, but having some sort of account station in your ESO home would be useful to those of us who have everything (all recipes/traits researched/mounts upgraded like like I do) if I could gather my hireling mails, see if I skipped writs on one (not really needed but sometimes I do them while I'm half asleep due to the time it resets), and who has what in their inventory, etc.. The usefulness for new players or those with newly created characters provides even MORE opportunity for such a feature.

So yeah while the thread is "what shouldn't be included"... that's what I feel SHOULD be included.

Also when we earn a trophy and collect a disguise... it should really be in a UI tab so we don't need to keep them on all characters. Costumes, mounts, and pets were a big step in the right direction.. now continue on that path.

Psychobunni

@Gidorick No Alchemy station in your home, in a game with Elder Scrolls in the title? I thought you were all about "keeping it real"

Lack of your own crafting stations would negatively affect sales.

Enodoc

Psychobunni wrote: »

@Gidorick No Alchemy station in your home, in a game with Elder Scrolls in the title? I thought you were all about "keeping it real"

Lack of your own crafting stations would negatively affect sales.

Agreed. There are crafting stations all over the place already anyway, so I don't think the city hubs would really be affected by including them inside player housing. At least not in the way that having personal bank access would.

markt84

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO wrote: »

Do not let players sell houses......

Well that just isn't going to happen, and it shouldn't because that's their main source of income these days

snorlockb16_ESO

Houses should have a cooking fire for sure but that is the only crafting I'd want in the house. While a sewing table might make sense, a forge where you could craft full Daedric armour would be absurd. So lets keep it to a cooking fire, which is what you find in every other house.

No banker, but there should be a cupboard where you could store things just for that character, not account wide. It would be cool if you mount some trophies on the wall so you could see them without having to go into an inventory.

It would be cool if you used the Rings of Mara that you could live with your spouse, but that might be over-complicating.

I remember as far back as TES Daggerfall that I bought a house and was attacked in the night by a werewolf hunter while I slept. Actually now that I think about it, I took out a loan from the Bank of Daggerfall to buy the house and never paid it back....

Gidorick

@Psychobunni, Pretty much the ONLY thing I'm 100% against is bank access. I understand why crafting stations and farming would be bad. I don't think homes should take away from the usefulness of towns.... But having crafting stations in homes is almost a staple of elder scrolls.

I think the key is that a player shouldn't be able to have ALL crafting stations, so they can't just make a mini town, and home crafting stations need to be functionally different from town crafting stations. I have some ideas how they could be but this really isn't the thread for them.

I do completely agree, though, that we can't have the exact crafting stations from the town in our homes.

Thanks for calling me out on that inconsistency.

MissBizz

Sadishist wrote: »

How about roommates, another player sharing your house?

No to roomates. I don't want someone getting their dirty paws on my furniture!

huntr5000

As far as player housing goes, I agree with a lot of what's already been said. No farming, no bank access, nothing like that, and no crafting stations for sure. That said, I think it would be awesome to have guild houses as well that could perhaps have some of these features, likely for a hefty price tag. So basically, I could have my little home, that's pretty much limited to character-locked storage and displaying things, or maybe a steward that provides me with daily consumables or what have you. And then when I could run over to my guild's house to access the bank or use their woodworking station (provided the guild purchased the upgrade for it).

Gidorick

snorlockb16_ESO wrote: »

I remember as far back as TES Daggerfall that I bought a house and was attacked in the night by a werewolf hunter while I slept. Actually now that I think about it, I took out a loan from the Bank of Daggerfall to buy the house and never paid it back....

Lol. Awesome. I truly hope homes involve BOTH in game and crown store mechanics. Buying a plot of land with in game gold then buying advanced architectural plans from the crown store is the type of symbiotic usage I'm looking for.

Moonscythe

I don't want anyone or anything able to walk in my front door without my permission.

P3ZZL3

I really don't understand this.....Maybe it's my age and I'm old and I'm grumpy cause I'm still at work.

People are shouting about having housing - yet looking at this thread, they don't want anything in their house.

I mean, the biggest thing people shout about seems to be "Storage for my gear". Well, you have a bank. You don't need more storage. That being said, you don't want access to the Bank from the home? So what you actually want is more FREE storage within a home that has no access to a bank? *shrugs*

People don't want a "Trader" from the house. But the biggest complaint when it comes to trading is how individual players can't have access to the marketplace unless they join a guild. Surely this would be the perfect opportunity, even if only to offer 10 slots, for individuals to be able to sell. The 5% charge would actually become gold sink....which lets be honest, wouldn't be a bad thing....

So, as far as I can see, the actual only reason to have a house, based on the fact the list of 11 (so far) removes anything practical you might want, is to Role Play.

And if ZOS are going to invest 100's thousands in development time/costs to create housing, why do it just for RP'rs.. (no offence to RP'rs - just don't see the financial return from a commercial standpoint).

Edit: Just to say, I'm totally open minded about all of this, and not a die hard "this is against lore" type....just trying to get my head around it...lol

Sausage

Its all about how they make them, if its some big castle, sure throw it all in, if its some simple cottage, I'd not rather see any of those. I hope they dont add too much, so zone activity stays up, thats why I'd prefer to keep houses in normal instances, shouldnt be a big deal, to expand zones a bit, to add 10+ houses per zone for example.

Hope499

Honestly, it should only have personal bank

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I know that you (Gidorick) gave a lot of thought to many aspects of the game and I respect that, that however does not in my humble opinion give you any status to say" we" instead of "I".

Are you....are you serious? Its a public forum, and he is asking peoples opinions...why would he NOT say we? You cant be that much of a tool to actually care.



Anyway, the addition of housing is appealing for sure, but I am not certain it would be for the best....

The only reason I would REALLY like a house, is all superficial honestly. Trophies on the wall (clear inventory space AND have a real reason for all those blue trophies!), a cool garden of glowing plants (maybe extra regents to collect) things like that. Anything that could potentially turn towns empty, I am against.

Athas24

There's not a whole lot I wouldn't want honestly. I love convenience items. I will say however that there should be limited plots of land and they should cost a fortune to purchase so that not everyone and their mother has the ability to have a home. Poor people gotta freeze out in the elements. From the list of do, not want's provided in the OP's post... I have to say that I do want the following. ..
Guild Bank Access , Personal Bank Access , Crafting Stations, Farms. Writ Postings, Fences, Home selling
I wouldn't want mobs or anything like that. If there were animals on farms they shouldn't drop anything when slain (or they could just be like superpigs who can't be killed). I also wouldn't want random people in my house so ... some sort of lock or something would be interesting. That way I could have some people in and not all the common rabble.

kevlarto_ESO

no crafting stations

No bank, but I do hope storage

No Dye Stations


No Merchants

Your house is not in the world, to trash up the landscape, and cause lag, to many vacant houses in the world can cause lots of problems. I hope to own my own little piece of land in Tamriel.

Nothing that takes away from players using the facilities in the cities, I just remember when player cities were introduced in SWG all the static city and facilities became ghost towns, and just made the game feel more dead than it really was.

P3ZZL3

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

No bank, but I do hope storage

Sengra

From a RP perspective I'd be more interested in whole guild villages than personal housing. The justice system made a lot of buildings inaccessible, and what's the point of a house if I sit there on my own crafting?

Maybe they could add multiple versions of maps (say, the size of the Daggerfall town area including some forests, accessible ships and islands) where people could form one big town or two smaller villages or build small huts/treehouses/farms in the open landscape. That would be great, especially if it would be possible to guest on these maps and enter them with characters from all factions.
Or there could be a really huge area like Cyrodiil where guilds could have their houses on the same map and you could actually travel around and look at the different villages.
Then there could be mini games in there or official contests, like prizes for the most beautiful winter decoration ... I don't know. It would draw people away from the open towns for sure, but at least it would still be social.

Just dreaming out loud. Don't know if it would actually make sense in ESO.