Mist Form+Battle spirit buff='s GG

OGLezard

Like the title says..... pop mist form on and watch you take 0 damage because of how those two stack together. It would also appear someone figured out a little trick to make mist form work the same way while in non mist form....... I know I know, a few people do this on live already, but now it is even worse in PTS. I urge you to take care of this nonsense........this cant make it into live

Rook_Master

With reduced fire damage, it's like 1.0 all over again, Vampire or gtfo.

ToRelax

Since Hardened Ward indeed seems to work multiplicative with battle spirit now I guess they actually adjusted single skills instead of that *** buff.
GG ZOS.

Zsymon

Have you tried this yourself and seen yourself take 0 damage? Because I'm pretty sure they do not stack to 100% damage resistance.

ToRelax

Zsymon wrote: »

Have you tried this yourself and seen yourself take 0 damage? Because I'm pretty sure they do not stack to 100% damage resistance.

I did.

Edit:
Skills whose damage stacks additive with Battle Spirit can still deal damage.

Septimus_Magna

The fire weakness for vamps also was reported to be still 50% instead of 25%, has this been fixed yet?

Also I highly doubt you take 0 damage because thats not how damage is calculated in Cyrodiil. The outgoing damage is decreased by the battle buff, you mitigate 75% while in mist form. So in theory 4 outgoing damage would lead to 1 incoming damage if you leave out armor mitigation.

Alcast

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fire weakness for vamps also was reported to be still 50% instead of 25%, has this been fixed yet?

Also I highly doubt you take 0 damage because thats not how damage is calculated in Cyrodiil. The outgoing damage is decreased by the battle buff, you mitigate 75% while in mist form. So in theory 4 outgoing damage would lead to 1 incoming damage if you leave out armor mitigation.

Technically i guess that would be the case, but we all know ZOS calculating skills. So as long as nobody really tested it right you cant really say it is impossibru >>

lolo_01b16_ESO

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fire weakness for vamps also was reported to be still 50% instead of 25%, has this been fixed yet?

Also I highly doubt you take 0 damage because thats not how damage is calculated in Cyrodiil. The outgoing damage is decreased by the battle buff, you mitigate 75% while in mist form. So in theory 4 outgoing damage would lead to 1 incoming damage if you leave out armor mitigation.

You actually take no damage. I tested it yeserday and my healthbar didn't even move when I was standing in a fire aoe from one of the sweeper bosses.

Btw. It looked kind of funny to have multiple soul assaults on me while in mistform and taking no damage at all.

Alcast

That patch will be nowhere near ready to be launched at end of Aug lololololol

I am sure some ppl will manage to bug out mist form again and then truly take 0 dmg :DDDDD

dsalter

hardly going to win you any fights tho since you cant fight in mist form.

OGLezard

Zsymon wrote: »

Have you tried this yourself and seen yourself take 0 damage? Because I'm pretty sure they do not stack to 100% damage resistance.

I have a video of it I'm action in IC @Zsymon so.......yea...plus the guy I seen doing it even said to me it is stacking like that and the video shows it

Dracane

Mistform is freaking OP, I'm saying this since release. Shadow Cloak ? Bolt Escape ? Permablock )No way, Mist Form is OP.
The only counter would be rooting them, and wait 5 minutes until he might run out of Magicka, so that you have a short window to attack, until he popped a potion and vanishes again.

FireCowCommando

Dracane wrote: »

Mistform is freaking OP, I'm saying this since release. Shadow Cloak ? Bolt Escape ? Permablock )No way, Mist Form is OP.
The only counter would be rooting them, and wait 5 minutes until he might run out of Magicka, so that you have a short window to attack, until he popped a potion and vanishes again.

I dont disagree with you that mistform is powerful, but i have grown with it as a part of my build for 1.6. I am not really sure how to pull off 1vX as a templar without mistform. Maybe im just using it as a crutch? once you start getting 3-4+ guys on you, absorbing every hit starts to seem unrealistic resource management.

Is it totally off to say templar is weaker if mistform was nerfed? It just hard to give up the only disengage offered to the class for nerfs - vampirism. Its a lot easier for me to list situations where i would end up dead using anything other than mist form to survive, i dont think anyone is surprised if i said most of them revolve around burst fear combos.

Sallington

dsalter wrote: »

hardly going to win you any fights tho since you cant fight in mist form.

It's not supposed to. It's supposed to keep you from losing a fight since it's an escape mechanic.

Dracane

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Mistform is freaking OP, I'm saying this since release. Shadow Cloak ? Bolt Escape ? Permablock )No way, Mist Form is OP.
The only counter would be rooting them, and wait 5 minutes until he might run out of Magicka, so that you have a short window to attack, until he popped a potion and vanishes again.

I dont disagree with you that mistform is powerful, but i have grown with it as a part of my build for 1.6. I am not really sure how to pull off 1vX as a templar without mistform. Maybe im just using it as a crutch? once you start getting 3-4+ guys on you, absorbing every hit starts to seem unrealistic resource management.

Is it totally off to say templar is weaker if mistform was nerfed? It just hard to give up the only disengage offered to the class for nerfs - vampirism. Its a lot easier for me to list situations where i would end up dead using anything other than mist form to survive, i dont think anyone is surprised if i said most of them revolve around burst fear combos.

Yea, Mistform is the escape ability of Dragonknights and Templars. But the way this ability is working, is questionable in my opinion.

I am aware, Templar shine when using Mistform. I've had so many annoying encounters with Mistform, I just hate it.

dsalter

someone test if immortal misting makes killing people easy when using POISON mist

timidobserver

Cloak > mistform

Ishammael

timidobserver wrote: »

Cloak > mistform

Yup. So is bolt escape.

OGLezard

Ishammael wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Cloak > mistform

Yup. So is bolt escape.

pre 1.7 sure..........

Soris

Rook_Master wrote: »

With reduced fire damage, it's like 1.0 all over again, Vampire or gtfo.

*Casts Dawnbreaker of Smithing*

one sec later

*Takes position to teabag*

Kupoking

*slots camo hunter*
Use snipe.

Mist form that

kaithuzar

dsalter wrote: »

someone test if immortal misting makes killing people easy when using POISON mist

I think this only works decently if you have inc poison dmg aka a poison build, something like the ophidian jewelry or morag tong 5 piece so maybe for a stam build?

Saturn

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fire weakness for vamps also was reported to be still 50% instead of 25%, has this been fixed yet?

Also I highly doubt you take 0 damage because thats not how damage is calculated in Cyrodiil. The outgoing damage is decreased by the battle buff, you mitigate 75% while in mist form. So in theory 4 outgoing damage would lead to 1 incoming damage if you leave out armor mitigation.

It's simple mathematics, if your damage is already reduced by 50% and you hit someone who has mist form which reduces it by 75% you should do 12.5% of your normal damage. HOWEVER, the percentage stuff in ESO is bonkers. I made an Argonian Dragonknight template toon, I *** you not, outside of Cyrodiil I can buff my Coagulating Blood to heal 88% of my missing health, inside Cyrodiil with the 50% nerf to healing it does 68% of my missing health, the math is like waaaay off when it comes to the way percentages behave. It seems to me like some of the buffs you can get are A ) not affected by battle spirit and B ) add on top of each other instead of increasing by the percentage stated, like for example 2% extra healing taken on top of 40%, wouldn't be 40.8% but rather 42% because the percentages behave weirdly. This is at least the case with Rapid Mending from the heavy armour tree.

FYI: that healing buff with Dragon Blood works on Live too, I just don't have an Argonian DK to give me those 9% extra healing taken from Quick to Mend. The above stated percentage (88%) is, I think, the max amount you can boost Dragon Blood to.

Radburn

I know I have been killed while using mist form on the PTS.

When I am fighting 1-2 people I seem to be much better at the evade game using LoS to help my chances. When I die using mist form its because I over extended into a large group and they know to use talons and hammer me.

Regardless, someone at ZOS should have the ability to test this properly.

bigereard

Saturn wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fire weakness for vamps also was reported to be still 50% instead of 25%, has this been fixed yet?

Also I highly doubt you take 0 damage because thats not how damage is calculated in Cyrodiil. The outgoing damage is decreased by the battle buff, you mitigate 75% while in mist form. So in theory 4 outgoing damage would lead to 1 incoming damage if you leave out armor mitigation.

It's simple mathematics, if your damage is already reduced by 50% and you hit someone who has mist form which reduces it by 75% you should do 12.5% of your normal damage. HOWEVER, the percentage stuff in ESO is bonkers. I made an Argonian Dragonknight template toon, I *** you not, outside of Cyrodiil I can buff my Coagulating Blood to heal 88% of my missing health, inside Cyrodiil with the 50% nerf to healing it does 68% of my missing health, the math is like waaaay off when it comes to the way percentages behave. It seems to me like some of the buffs you can get are A ) not affected by battle spirit and B ) add on top of each other instead of increasing by the percentage stated, like for example 2% extra healing taken on top of 40%, wouldn't be 40.8% but rather 42% because the percentages behave weirdly. This is at least the case with Rapid Mending from the heavy armour tree.

FYI: that healing buff with Dragon Blood works on Live too, I just don't have an Argonian DK to give me those 9% extra healing taken from Quick to Mend. The above stated percentage (88%) is, I think, the max amount you can boost Dragon Blood to.

I think we have similar build..
Let me guess your build and explain the math:

Healing Taken:
Base 100%
Battle Spirit -50%
Quick Recovery (100) 15.8%
Coagulated Blood 8%
Burning Heart 2 12%
Quick to mend 9%
3 Piece of Unassailable 4%
4 Piece of Tormentor 8%
5 Piece of Sanctuary 16%

Total = 122.8%

Healing Done:
Igneous Shield 30%
Blessed (100) 25%
Ritual Mundus Stone 10%
3 Divine Trait = 2.25%

Total = 167.25%

Healing taken x healing done = 205.38%

Coagulated Blood 33% * 295.38% = 67.78%

I think you can get boost the heal further with combat medic

vichoi

Mist form is broken in console because there's no target lock.

ToRelax

vichoi wrote: »

Mist form is broken in console because there's no target lock.

It is there, but you can't see it.

OGLezard

vichoi wrote: »

Mist form is broken in console because there's no target lock.

@vichoi you have to tab target them BEFORE they enter mist form otherwise you can't target them. Not broken that is how it works now you know what to do

OGLezard

Saturn wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The fire weakness for vamps also was reported to be still 50% instead of 25%, has this been fixed yet?

Also I highly doubt you take 0 damage because thats not how damage is calculated in Cyrodiil. The outgoing damage is decreased by the battle buff, you mitigate 75% while in mist form. So in theory 4 outgoing damage would lead to 1 incoming damage if you leave out armor mitigation.

It's simple mathematics, if your damage is already reduced by 50% and you hit someone who has mist form which reduces it by 75% you should do 12.5% of your normal damage. HOWEVER, the percentage stuff in ESO is bonkers. I made an Argonian Dragonknight template toon, I *** you not, outside of Cyrodiil I can buff my Coagulating Blood to heal 88% of my missing health, inside Cyrodiil with the 50% nerf to healing it does 68% of my missing health, the math is like waaaay off when it comes to the way percentages behave. It seems to me like some of the buffs you can get are A ) not affected by battle spirit and B ) add on top of each other instead of increasing by the percentage stated, like for example 2% extra healing taken on top of 40%, wouldn't be 40.8% but rather 42% because the percentages behave weirdly. This is at least the case with Rapid Mending from the heavy armour tree.

FYI: that healing buff with Dragon Blood works on Live too, I just don't have an Argonian DK to give me those 9% extra healing taken from Quick to Mend. The above stated percentage (88%) is, I think, the max amount you can boost Dragon Blood to.

@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom pass this above quote along as well as my OP please....... mist form is broken and so is healing on pts..... you guys need to do.more testing please.....don't let this go to live....we won't ever see fixes for them fluntil next major content update and THEN they might be fixed but before it is fixed we all know it will become the new meta..... don't let this happen.....PLEASE

Francescolg

There is also the Cyrondil'l Light set, which gives 25% less dmg when channeling, so it works combined with mistform. But I see no problem in taking no damage, as mist form deals no damage, and the ae-poison morph does only a tiny amount of poison damage, after nirn., etc.

/edit This set has been working over a year, why complain now? Sorcerer Teleport is much stronger than mist form to get away..!

Zsymon

Francescolg wrote: »

/edit This set has been working over a year, why complain now? Sorcerer Teleport is much stronger than mist form to get away..!

Sorcerer Teleport is nothing anymore, let alone stronger than something, but I agree Mist form is fine as long as it is not bugged, there is no need for an additional nerf. It wouldn't be right for only NBs to have some form of escape.

No one can actually escape a fight with Mist Form mind you, but it's useful in various situations, such as getting out of dodge in group fights when you're being focused, or buying time to recover in 1vsX fights.