New costumes are awful.

Austacker

ANOTHER cat mount and wedding/noble costumes.

/puts away the wallet.

not inspired.

starkerealm

I find it oddly amusing, in a setting where the pseudo-Roman Empire has fallen, and a new one will take it's place in about 400 years that anyone can credibly complain about anachronistic fashion.

Halke

MornaBaine wrote: »

NovaMarx wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Not joking, but the first crown store Item that I might buy is the noble dress.




I think its very well done, looks pretty amazing to me.

It IS very pretty. It's just all wrong for ESO.

Not sure I agree that the dress is wrong for the ES universe. Look at some of these dresses from Oblivion. I, for one, am excited that they are adding more clothing costumes instead of just armor packs

The point is that this is a different game, different art style and different era of Tamriel history. These outfits just don't fit with the art style of this game. To me, they will always look glaringly out of place.

I think I am with Morna on this one. I love the new costumes that are coming, and will buy every single one and giggle with glee. But we see 'nobles' in this game as NPCs and none of them are wearing anything even remotely close to this. These are high ranking nobility that own huge tracts of land and in some cases seem even above the law, yet next to these new costumes they look like dirty paupers.

For me it is the same issue I have with dyes in my RP. We all run around in vibrant, true colors, that no one else in the world seems to have. It is jarring to see a collection of RPers mixed in with NPCs because of just how badly the players stand out. At least with that we can choose the more muted dyes and the looted clothing has the worn look to it that we see on what NPCs wear.

Maybe it wouldn't be so unsettling if they would give the new outfits and variants of them to some of the NPCs in game that are supposed to be nobility. Some of them are even in the courts of the King/Queen of their alliance. High time to bring out the fine silks if I ever saw one.

Thevampirenight

Halke wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

NovaMarx wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Not joking, but the first crown store Item that I might buy is the noble dress.




I think its very well done, looks pretty amazing to me.

It IS very pretty. It's just all wrong for ESO.

Not sure I agree that the dress is wrong for the ES universe. Look at some of these dresses from Oblivion. I, for one, am excited that they are adding more clothing costumes instead of just armor packs

The point is that this is a different game, different art style and different era of Tamriel history. These outfits just don't fit with the art style of this game. To me, they will always look glaringly out of place.

I think I am with Morna on this one. I love the new costumes that are coming, and will buy every single one and giggle with glee. But we see 'nobles' in this game as NPCs and none of them are wearing anything even remotely close to this. These are high ranking nobility that own huge tracts of land and in some cases seem even above the law, yet next to these new costumes they look like dirty paupers.

For me it is the same issue I have with dyes in my RP. We all run around in vibrant, true colors, that no one else in the world seems to have. It is jarring to see a collection of RPers mixed in with NPCs because of just how badly the players stand out. At least with that we can choose the more muted dyes and the looted clothing has the worn look to it that we see on what NPCs wear.

Maybe it wouldn't be so unsettling if they would give the new outfits and variants of them to some of the NPCs in game that are supposed to be nobility. Some of them are even in the courts of the King/Queen of their alliance. High time to bring out the fine silks if I ever saw one.

I like the noble dress I am seeing, also they are probaly added the speical armors that king emric wears queen Ayreen and King whats his face in ep. I know they are adding those at some point as well as probaly other things maybe even vampire lord polymorpth also vampire lord skill line and other things theres a thread somewhere talking about datamined stuff.

starkerealm

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I like the noble dress I am seeing, also they are probaly added the speical armors that king emric wears queen Ayreen and King whats his face in ep. I know they are adding those at some point as well as probaly other things maybe even vampire lord polymorpth also vampire lord skill line and other things theres a thread somewhere talking about datamined stuff.

The datamined info only says there will be transformation costumes for werewolves and vampire lords. Which sounds like it's going to be a Halloween week crown store special. As far as I know, there hasn't been any hint that Vampire Lords are coming to ESO as an actual skill set.

Thevampirenight

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I like the noble dress I am seeing, also they are probaly added the speical armors that king emric wears queen Ayreen and King whats his face in ep. I know they are adding those at some point as well as probaly other things maybe even vampire lord polymorpth also vampire lord skill line and other things theres a thread somewhere talking about datamined stuff.

The datamined info only says there will be transformation costumes for werewolves and vampire lords. Which sounds like it's going to be a Halloween week crown store special. As far as I know, there hasn't been any hint that Vampire Lords are coming to ESO as an actual skill set.

I can see them adding, vampire lord skill line, they can make the ult in vampire lord, form be the telekinesis throw which throws foe in air not that far and do physical damage while they give drain batcloak and turning into bats that move you a certain distance in front of you like that one sorcerer skill. But they make those skills only useable in vampire lord form push summon gargoyle for 10 fifteen seconds. And make vampire lord a toggle. Like it was in skyrim

starkerealm

Thevampirenight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I like the noble dress I am seeing, also they are probaly added the speical armors that king emric wears queen Ayreen and King whats his face in ep. I know they are adding those at some point as well as probaly other things maybe even vampire lord polymorpth also vampire lord skill line and other things theres a thread somewhere talking about datamined stuff.

The datamined info only says there will be transformation costumes for werewolves and vampire lords. Which sounds like it's going to be a Halloween week crown store special. As far as I know, there hasn't been any hint that Vampire Lords are coming to ESO as an actual skill set.

I can see them adding, vampire lord skill line, they can make the ult in vampire lord, form be the telekinesis throw which throws foe in air not that far and do physical damage while they give drain batcloak and turning into bats that move you a certain distance in front of you like that one sorcerer skill. But they make those skills only useable in vampire lord form push summon gargoyle for 10 fifteen seconds. And make vampire lord a toggle. Like it was in skyrim

I can't, because I remember the days when a single vampire in PvP could solo 40+ players simply by spamming batswarm.

Also, remember, the lord transform is very powerful. It's not an issue in Skyrim because the Dragonborn is already a demigod. But when you're balancing against other players? It's a serious issue that can't be ignored.

Thevampirenight

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I like the noble dress I am seeing, also they are probaly added the speical armors that king emric wears queen Ayreen and King whats his face in ep. I know they are adding those at some point as well as probaly other things maybe even vampire lord polymorpth also vampire lord skill line and other things theres a thread somewhere talking about datamined stuff.

The datamined info only says there will be transformation costumes for werewolves and vampire lords. Which sounds like it's going to be a Halloween week crown store special. As far as I know, there hasn't been any hint that Vampire Lords are coming to ESO as an actual skill set.

I can see them adding, vampire lord skill line, they can make the ult in vampire lord, form be the telekinesis throw which throws foe in air not that far and do physical damage while they give drain batcloak and turning into bats that move you a certain distance in front of you like that one sorcerer skill. But they make those skills only useable in vampire lord form push summon gargoyle for 10 fifteen seconds. And make vampire lord a toggle. Like it was in skyrim

I can't, because I remember the days when a single vampire in PvP could solo 40+ players simply by spamming batswarm.

Also, remember, the lord transform is very powerful. It's not an issue in Skyrim because the Dragonborn is already a demigod. But when you're balancing against other players? It's a serious issue that can't be ignored.

They can balance the skills easy, its possible that its better to be in human form then vampire lord form. But I am not sure but they might be adding vampire lord later on. Probaly as dlc content. It won't be as powerfull as skyrims was. In fact it was not that powerfull anyways. Unless with mods.

starkerealm

Thevampirenight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I like the noble dress I am seeing, also they are probaly added the speical armors that king emric wears queen Ayreen and King whats his face in ep. I know they are adding those at some point as well as probaly other things maybe even vampire lord polymorpth also vampire lord skill line and other things theres a thread somewhere talking about datamined stuff.

The datamined info only says there will be transformation costumes for werewolves and vampire lords. Which sounds like it's going to be a Halloween week crown store special. As far as I know, there hasn't been any hint that Vampire Lords are coming to ESO as an actual skill set.

I can see them adding, vampire lord skill line, they can make the ult in vampire lord, form be the telekinesis throw which throws foe in air not that far and do physical damage while they give drain batcloak and turning into bats that move you a certain distance in front of you like that one sorcerer skill. But they make those skills only useable in vampire lord form push summon gargoyle for 10 fifteen seconds. And make vampire lord a toggle. Like it was in skyrim

I can't, because I remember the days when a single vampire in PvP could solo 40+ players simply by spamming batswarm.

Also, remember, the lord transform is very powerful. It's not an issue in Skyrim because the Dragonborn is already a demigod. But when you're balancing against other players? It's a serious issue that can't be ignored.

They can balance the skills easy, its possible that its better to be in human form then vampire lord form. But I am not sure but they might be adding vampire lord later on. Probaly as dlc content. It won't be as powerfull as skyrims was. In fact it was not that powerfull anyways. Unless with mods.

While it's been awhile since I ran Skyrim unmodded, my recollection is the Vampire Lord was actually pretty devastating. I actually remember when I was working on that magical scaling mod, I had some serious issues with the vampire lord's drain going into hilarious "oneshot everything that breathes ever" territory by adding a very small multiplier to it.

You'd get wrecked if you stuck your head outside in daylight, but that was always true for Skyrim vampires (outside of some very specific builds).

Back to ESO, in the past they've said that they wouldn't be gating new game systems behind DLC. If they tried to actually sell the lord transform with it's powers as DLC there would be P2W rioting on these boards that would never calm down. Even if they were somehow crippled to the point of uselessness.

And, a year of them derping around with the Werewolves and Vampires should tell you everything you need to know about how easy balancing this stuff actually is.

Again, at launch, Vampires were basically unkillable in PvP. SorcPires could get their Batswarm cost down to 4, and could, literally, spam Devouring Swarm at will, and Emperors could get it to free (or Sorcs could get it to 20 and Emps could get to 4? I don't remember, it was somewhere in there.)

So, no. Vampire Lord is a really bad idea. Maybe for a vet dungeon boss, but like getting your hands on the Daedric Artifacts, we're going to have to chalk this one up to, it would utterly wreck game balance.

Farorin

OzJohnD wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

I agree, the costumes look cool and nice, but holy crap, they really don't fit into the Elder Scrolls universe. I hope this is not a sign of things to come where ESO goes full stupid and starts introducing largely lore-breaking aesthetics into the game.

dragon break .. lore don't matter

...? What?

starkerealm

Farorin wrote: »

OzJohnD wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

I agree, the costumes look cool and nice, but holy crap, they really don't fit into the Elder Scrolls universe. I hope this is not a sign of things to come where ESO goes full stupid and starts introducing largely lore-breaking aesthetics into the game.

dragon break .. lore don't matter

...? What?

Dragon Breaks are points in Tamriel's history where... for whatever reason, the entire timeline gets bjorked up. For example, there are a bunch of different endings for Daggerfall, and they're all mutually exclusive. They're also all part of the official cannon history from Morrowind on.

Also, reloading an old save is a dragon break in the single player games. The flow of time derps up, and then starts over a few minutes, hours, days ago, as if nothing happened.

There's a running theory that the Soul Burst is also a dragon break, though that's actually a little shakier than saying the single player games are.

Thevampirenight

Well, getting back to costums which ones are you going to buy because I am buying the dress for sure. I am hoping they are added same day limited time tiger mount is added.

starkerealm

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well, getting back to costums which ones are you going to buy because I am buying the dress for sure. I am hoping they are added same day limited time tiger mount is added.

Oh, I'm buying the Lord polymorphs, if they ever get released.

IOUAT

i dont see any new costumes in the store ? am i missing something

Thevampirenight

Mugetsu wrote: »

i dont see any new costumes in the store ? am i missing something

There showcasing new customs being added into the game
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/08/07/crown-store-showcase-august-7th-2015

IOUAT

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Mugetsu wrote: »

i dont see any new costumes in the store ? am i missing something

There showcasing new customs being added into the game
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/08/07/crown-store-showcase-august-7th-2015

ohh i see none of this stuff is out yet haha i see thought i missed it

Thevampirenight

These two look so much alike lol

Thevampirenight

I can see they look so much alike.

Rosveen

OzJohnD wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

I agree, the costumes look cool and nice, but holy crap, they really don't fit into the Elder Scrolls universe. I hope this is not a sign of things to come where ESO goes full stupid and starts introducing largely lore-breaking aesthetics into the game.

dragon break .. lore don't matter

That's not how it works. Not at all. Dragon breaks aren't the answer to everything.

VilhelmValhalla4

A bit off topic, but when will we get motifs for regular the Mage's Guild robes and Coldharbour started gear. We can loot a lot of NPC clothes already, but I'd rather be able to wear these normal sets than have another set of costumes that I'd rarely wear.

Saltypretzels

MornaBaine wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Not joking, but the first crown store Item that I might buy is the noble dress.




I think its very well done, looks pretty amazing to me.

It IS very pretty. It's just all wrong for ESO.

I disagree. Players' characters aren't commoners. (at least by level 30ish). Some of us are richer than queens and kings, and therefore should be allowed to look it. It seems to me the OP is asking for characters to look like we fit in the commoner or merchant class.

darthgummibear_ESO

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

My only issue with the costumes is they are not dyeable. Maybe in the future they will be.

This. It's the only reason I never buy any.

UrQuan

Farorin wrote: »

Dekkameron wrote: »

I like 'em all!

The outfit the female Nede is wearing on the right looks AWESOME! although i suspect i won't be wearing the helmet.

What happened to everyone caring about practicality with armour? This looks entirely impractical, and I am pretty sure that is the exact reason given as to why there aren't any sexy female costumes of clothing or armour, because it's "impractical".

Double standards.

The only part about it that looks impractical is the horns on the helmets (which are a terrible idea, and were never used for any non-ceremonial helmets in all of history). Aside from that, they look entirely practical, and very representative of early forms of plate armour. I wonder if you're looking at the bare arms and considering that to be impractical - historically before plate armour was well developed enough to be fully articulated it was very common to leave most of the arms, and most of the legs unprotected, as adding protection would have severely limited movement. Look at Roman lorica segmentata, or Greek hoplite armour for just a couple of examples of this. When mail became common, the limbs were typically protected by mail, but of course even though mail is flexible, it is still heavy and will tire out the person wearing it.

UrQuan

Oh, and for the record, I really like the new noble dress. I only have 1 character it would be appropriate for, though, so I'm on the fence about whether I'd get it. Not such a fan of the men's suits, but that's personal preference.

NovaMarx

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well, getting back to costums which ones are you going to buy because I am buying the dress for sure. I am hoping they are added same day limited time tiger mount is added.

The limited mount is coming first (from August 13th-17th). The costumes are coming later, some time at the end of August I would guess.

Asrien

cavakthestampede wrote: »

This is a fictional game not set in the real world timeline. The aesthetics chosen are probably for their recognizability to the general public.

Having studied those eras of England I could certainly not tell the dress was inappropriately placed as belonging to different centuries...and I'm not sure I believe you anyway.

Personally, I think they all look great, and particularly relish the idea of using the wedding suit as a stage 4 vampire. Should look awesome!

We appear to have the same idea in mind. Those new suits look so damn classy it's not funny.

Asrien

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I like the noble dress I am seeing, also they are probaly added the speical armors that king emric wears queen Ayreen and King whats his face in ep. I know they are adding those at some point as well as probaly other things maybe even vampire lord polymorpth also vampire lord skill line and other things theres a thread somewhere talking about datamined stuff.

The datamined info only says there will be transformation costumes for werewolves and vampire lords. Which sounds like it's going to be a Halloween week crown store special. As far as I know, there hasn't been any hint that Vampire Lords are coming to ESO as an actual skill set.

I can see them adding, vampire lord skill line, they can make the ult in vampire lord, form be the telekinesis throw which throws foe in air not that far and do physical damage while they give drain batcloak and turning into bats that move you a certain distance in front of you like that one sorcerer skill. But they make those skills only useable in vampire lord form push summon gargoyle for 10 fifteen seconds. And make vampire lord a toggle. Like it was in skyrim

I can't, because I remember the days when a single vampire in PvP could solo 40+ players simply by spamming batswarm.

Also, remember, the lord transform is very powerful. It's not an issue in Skyrim because the Dragonborn is already a demigod. But when you're balancing against other players? It's a serious issue that can't be ignored.

Unless they add some form of massive drawback, like anti-vamp weapons or something (more than just a flame enchant tho). I imagine they'd also have to pimp the werewolf out more if they did this so it's probably not super likely.

Blutengel

Mojmir wrote: »

stop with the freakin cat mounts ffs!!!

People have to stop buying them... They won't lol

starkerealm

Asrien wrote: »

Unless they add some form of massive drawback, like anti-vamp weapons or something (more than just a flame enchant tho). I imagine they'd also have to pimp the werewolf out more if they did this so it's probably not super likely.

The problem is two-fold.

You can't take them out. Vampires and Werewolves are a part of the game, and being able to play as them has evolved from a novel distraction to a major series feature.

You need to make them more powerful than normal players, but that needs to be balanced against dealing with normal players without also making the entire experience unpleasant.

That's the problem with a lot of the solutions people push, especially people who want to have a game without Werewolves or Vampires as playable characters. They're far too punitive.

Vampire and Werewolves need to be a legitimate alternate playstyle, that is actually available to players who want access to that, without also being absurdly powerful to the point that players who don't want to engage in that playstyle are forced to, in order to be competitive.

Begging for the ability to one shot any vamp you meet is punitive. Begging for the lord transform would make vampires mandatory... or require completely devaluing that power into a joke. Without a lot of middle ground.

MornaBaine

starkerealm wrote: »

Asrien wrote: »

Unless they add some form of massive drawback, like anti-vamp weapons or something (more than just a flame enchant tho). I imagine they'd also have to pimp the werewolf out more if they did this so it's probably not super likely.

The problem is two-fold.

You can't take them out. Vampires and Werewolves are a part of the game, and being able to play as them has evolved from a novel distraction to a major series feature.

You need to make them more powerful than normal players, but that needs to be balanced against dealing with normal players without also making the entire experience unpleasant.

That's the problem with a lot of the solutions people push, especially people who want to have a game without Werewolves or Vampires as playable characters. They're far too punitive.

Vampire and Werewolves need to be a legitimate alternate playstyle, that is actually available to players who want access to that, without also being absurdly powerful to the point that players who don't want to engage in that playstyle are forced to, in order to be competitive.

Begging for the ability to one shot any vamp you meet is punitive. Begging for the lord transform would make vampires mandatory... or require completely devaluing that power into a joke. Without a lot of middle ground.

I could see the vampire Lord form as an alternate Ult...and have it act just like the werewolf Ult essentially AND have it cost a HUGE amount of skill points so that you'd actually have to CHOOSE to have it over other skills. Then it wouldn't be OP or "free."