Should player housing be added?

milkbox

No

I worked for a development company in Second Life for years.

There is nothing more boring to me than being asked to look at someone's house. I have no interest in having a virtual house of my own, or in decorating it. This is why people always said SL isn't a "game". Adding housing adds no game-value to TESO.

Actually, I should have voted "yes", because I know so many people want it, and I want you to be happy. But there are a lot of sandbox building games out there- I don't want to play those. I don't want to play that here.

So, "no" for me, "yes" for everybody who wants it. If you invite me for tea, I'll politely decline.

Slylok

No

My thoughts on the matter are..

1. The game world isnt built for world housing so that isnt going to happen.

2. Adding another zone just for housing takes players out of the game world. Bad idea.

3. If housing were added it would have to be done how EQ2 has it with varies size houses in each town / city for rent than any number of people can rent at the same time. I guess preset houses could be put in in some areas of the world where there is room that work the same way.

All in all. It doesnt bother me that there isnt housing in ESO. It wasnt a big deal to me in any of the TES games or in any MMO I have played dating back to UO style housing.

Morimizo

Yes

Darlgon wrote: »

Too many in-place systems broken.
Too many new systems promised and not delivered yet.

Put the housing back on the dream board, where its been since people started asking for it twenty months ago in Beta, and work on whats already on the table.

Yeah, IMPORTANT things like this (2.1 patch notes):

"When consuming pies and plated meals, your character will now hold a fork rather than a spoon." (though you'll still have an empty bowl for a PIE)

or this:

"Fixed an issue where your game could crash after previewing pets while jumping." (why would anyone even do this?)

There are dozens more like these. I'd prefer housing to "fixing" these "issues."

AH93

Yes

Psychobunni wrote: »

I used to say yes, because real MMO's like LOTRO rock it.

But if it has anything to do with the crown store, then my answer is no. I'm not really into paying for what others offer included in the game for free.

Even though I want to see player housing added, I have to agree that it would involve the crown store in a significant way, meaning I think they will lock any kind of reasonable progression or housing related products behind crowns. It's an easy money maker. As much as I would love to see it added, I think they will do it the wrong way if they ever get round to it.




How I personally think player housing should be handled;
-A variety of houses purchasable in every city, and some in towns and villages for a gold cost, depending on the size and location the price should vary. I believe it should be instanced to the players but remain within the towns/cities as not to make it feel like a hut in the middle of the woods.
-All property should be upgradeable, via expanding, building new rooms and increasing the size of the house, changing of materials, and decorations. There should be NPCs which do this for you for a price and time-sink. Alternatively the player could craft the items necessary themselves, with the introduction of a new skill line within the crafting section.
-Since it would happen anyway, this could all also be available in the crown store, but the above options give players something to work towards in-game if they so choose.

Just some of my thoughts.

Gidorick

Yes

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Yes! Why?

So they should add it, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

Then they should add an auto-level item so I can skip the level up process, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

There are numerous things they could add to the game for the sake of money, but that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the game.

True! But housing wouldn't compromise any aspect of ESO like auto leveling would.

Thymos wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Yes! Why?

So they should add it, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

Then they should add an auto-level item so I can skip the level up process, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

There are numerous things they could add to the game for the sake of money, but that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the game.

Well, a level-up for pay would be classified as "pay to win" which will turn many gamers off. Housing however would not be P2W so it won't have that negative.

That wasn't the point of my example. I was saying that adding something to the game for the sake of money doesn't mean it should be added, which is just like you said a p2w mechanic.

I don't see any point in them wasting any time to make something that adds no real value to the game.

Housing not adding real value is entirely a personal opinion. There are MANY of us that would feel housing would add a LOT of value to ESO.

I would apologize for not being more thorough in my original response but honestly, the conversation has been had dozens of times. In the end it should be added because it would make money because if I didn't think it added value to the game I would have said no, so my vote for yes had some implied commentary.

Makkir

Yes

I am all for adding fun content like this to help attract and retain players, HOWEVER I do not want them wasting any time on these "cosmetics" before addressing some of the more important game play issues.

Thymos

No

Gidorick wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Yes! Why?

So they should add it, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

Then they should add an auto-level item so I can skip the level up process, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

There are numerous things they could add to the game for the sake of money, but that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the game.

True! But housing wouldn't compromise any aspect of ESO like auto leveling would.

Thymos wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Yes! Why?

So they should add it, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

Then they should add an auto-level item so I can skip the level up process, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

There are numerous things they could add to the game for the sake of money, but that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the game.

Well, a level-up for pay would be classified as "pay to win" which will turn many gamers off. Housing however would not be P2W so it won't have that negative.

That wasn't the point of my example. I was saying that adding something to the game for the sake of money doesn't mean it should be added, which is just like you said a p2w mechanic.

I don't see any point in them wasting any time to make something that adds no real value to the game.

Housing not adding real value is entirely a personal opinion. There are MANY of us that would feel housing would add a LOT of value to ESO.

I would apologize for not being more thorough in my original response but honestly, the conversation has been had dozens of times. In the end it should be added because it would make money because if I didn't think it added value to the game I would have said no, so my vote for yes had some implied commentary.

Oh, so now it's more than just money?

jkemmery

Yes

Thymos wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Yes! Why?

So they should add it, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

Then they should add an auto-level item so I can skip the level up process, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

There are numerous things they could add to the game for the sake of money, but that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the game.

Well, a level-up for pay would be classified as "pay to win" which will turn many gamers off. Housing however would not be P2W so it won't have that negative.

That wasn't the point of my example. I was saying that adding something to the game for the sake of money doesn't mean it should be added, which is just like you said a p2w mechanic.

I don't see any point in them wasting any time to make something that adds no real value to the game.

Because the game is a business venture, and making money is what businesses are about.

Then by all means, let's add that level skip item. Let's add skill points to the crown store, let's add attribute points to the crown store. If making money is what it's all about. Might as well add a real money auction house system, and take a cut from every sale and listing.

That is what it's all about, right?

@Thymos

No. Those examples are P2W, which would drive players away. The way I see it, if features aren't P2W, and players want them, why not? If you don't want a house, don't get one. Simple. But at least let others have the chance to enjoy theirs, and if it makes money for ZOS, then ESO will be around longer for you to enjoy too.

Gidorick

Yes

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Yes! Why?

So they should add it, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

Then they should add an auto-level item so I can skip the level up process, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

There are numerous things they could add to the game for the sake of money, but that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the game.

True! But housing wouldn't compromise any aspect of ESO like auto leveling would.

Thymos wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Yes! Why?

So they should add it, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

Then they should add an auto-level item so I can skip the level up process, because people will buy it and they'll make money.

There are numerous things they could add to the game for the sake of money, but that doesn't mean it's worth adding to the game.

Well, a level-up for pay would be classified as "pay to win" which will turn many gamers off. Housing however would not be P2W so it won't have that negative.

That wasn't the point of my example. I was saying that adding something to the game for the sake of money doesn't mean it should be added, which is just like you said a p2w mechanic.

I don't see any point in them wasting any time to make something that adds no real value to the game.

Housing not adding real value is entirely a personal opinion. There are MANY of us that would feel housing would add a LOT of value to ESO.

I would apologize for not being more thorough in my original response but honestly, the conversation has been had dozens of times. In the end it should be added because it would make money because if I didn't think it added value to the game I would have said no, so my vote for yes had some implied commentary.

Oh, so now it's more than just money?

I never said there weren't other reasons to add housing besides money. But yea, my vote for yes on this poll was because it would make money, but it's by far not they ONLY reason to add housing.

Again, I didn't reitrerate what had been said many, many, MANY times before because it being good for the game was implicit in my vote for yes. Why would I vote yes if I thought it would be bad for ESO?

If you are genuinely interested in my thoughts on this and aren't just trying to rile me up, please check out my 3 phase concept here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/145287/another-housing-suggestion-a-3-phase-release-plan

DenMoria

Not really the point of an MMO I would say.

Can you just imagine the logistics of 100s of thousands of individuals having housing in a game like this? The server needs alone would be insane.

Besides - it just leads to hording and, currently, the bank and guild systems do a fine job of that for us.

Me - what I would like is the ability to rest/sleep/sit in ESO, at least for a bit of recovery if nothing else. It would help the immersion for me.

My characters always seem like they're just an afterthought to the world as a whole so camping should be fine, or at least some Inns. It would certainly help my immersion to not be going 24/7 as my character. I realize that, technically they are neither alive nor have a soul, but...

Zusia211

No

I think the 2 option system to broad. At one point think would be nice to have housing but another right now there are other things that need to be fixed and would like to see added. Also each individual house would be annoying. Just do a guild hall type thing.

Darkrosesus

Yes

Yes, simply for having somewhere else to dump all your gear that you want to put aside for crafting and to save rarer items you cannot use yet. I currently save some of my more special armour pieces and weapons in the bank & it's taking up too much space.

Azurulia

No

I say no, because there are far more important things to work out before even the thought of playing housing should be considered.

However, If it ever should be added, I better be able to break into them and steal peoples things.

Mercurio

Yes

this shouldn't even be a question. It is essential to the Elder Scrolls experience; and an embarrassment to have been left out - much like the gear preview window.

markt84

No

Would be cool, but not needed. Would rather their time be spent on getting IC, Orc city, dark brotherhood, theives guild up and going, and bugs and balancing in PvP fixed. Their time is needed in way too many other places to work on something we don't need

waterfairy

No

I'm in the No minority because I doubt they'll do it right, it will be some half-assed waste of time and resources that will probably *** off everyone...better left alone if you ask me.

edit- another word for urinate is censored here?

Kuroinu

Yes

It's something to want in the game for sure. But I believe this thread and previous housing threads are badly timed. There's already a bunch of stuff on the way in the coming 6~9 months with Imperial City and Orsinium; and later Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood.

Probably best to leave housing threads alone at least until after Orisinium is out. But then again, if a Player wants something and a Developer wants to know what a player wants; some magic must happen in the forums!

Greg

Yes

If its not like SwToR im in

JamilaRaj

No

No, life in luxury of comfy houses would make heroes lose edge. They would become soft and weak.

Tholian1

Yes

I voted yes, but then realized if it ever were to happen, we would probably have to grind for 3 years in PvPville for some magical stones to get them.

OzJohnD

No

can we have existing coding issues fixed first ?

The_Sadist

The search function is your friend, this topic has been discussed at length multiple times in several threads. All in all a majority* want it but given how long it's taking to shell out content I wouldn't hold my breath.

Gidorick

Yes

This poll suggests the majority wants this @The_Sadist.

The_Sadist

Gidorick wrote: »

This poll suggests the majority wants this @The_Sadist.

Awkward turtle.

Note to self, don't post in threads moments after waking up. Sorry about that, thanks for pointing it out!

Morimizo

Yes

Tholian1 wrote: »

I voted yes, but then realized if it ever were to happen, we would probably have to grind for 3 years in PvPville for some magical stones to get them.

Very sad, but VERY VERY true. Except for all the furniture/wall hangings/display cases/house servants/etc. available in the Crown Store. As with everything in life, we should be careful what we wish for. Not because we'll get it, but because we're doomed to hate it when we do.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes

Sadishist wrote: »

In the single player games, we can own houses and decorate it. A personal solo area to display trophies collected and can be upgraded with new stuff for a price.

I voted "Yes".

It's one of those things I love about RPG's. But if we can't get player housing, could we at least get a communal Guild Hal that we could build for our player-created Guilds?

Gidorick

Yes

Morimizo wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

I voted yes, but then realized if it ever were to happen, we would probably have to grind for 3 years in PvPville for some magical stones to get them.

Very sad, but VERY VERY true. Except for all the furniture/wall hangings/display cases/house servants/etc. available in the Crown Store. As with everything in life, we should be careful what we wish for. Not because we'll get it, but because we're doomed to hate it when we do.

To be fair, we've been asking for this since before the buy to play transition. I would hope it would be a "craft OR buy" situation.

Furniture motifs in game. Crafting materials and an associated skill. Let us buy motifs in the Crown Store. Maybe even sell Motif Converter scrolls in the Crown Store. In game economy if we don't want to craft it ourselves.

It can be implemented in a mutually beneficial way.

Sadishist

Yes

Greg wrote: »

If its not like SwToR im in

I stopped playing SWTOR before player housing was added, but what was wrong with it?

Gidorick

Yes

Sadishist wrote: »

Greg wrote: »

If its not like SwToR im in

I stopped playing SWTOR before player housing was added, but what was wrong with it?

I guessing.... spaceships?

usrevenge

No

there are hundreds of other things i rather have than player housing.

i mean, it would be good, but right now? there is so much more that should and could be done than player housing which lets face it would probably be nothing worth mentioning other than a cool thing to spend gold on.