110-150 Raw Materials To Craft ONE VR16 Item!?

DirtyOldPyro

Just want to point out as well if they do plan to keep it this way, then when the next veteran rank increase comes, with new gear and material, how much in materials will they then cost to craft?? 250-300 ingots per piece?

Foolish_Mortal

Good. You don't deserve the best gear the game has to offer.

Iluvrien

DDuke wrote: »

1. People ask for crafting (which currently creates most of the BiS gear) to require more effort.
2. Crafting is made to require more effort.
3. People cry about crafting requiring too much effort.

Internet...


I'm sorry you won't be able to craft your BiS gear within the first 5 minutes you reach level cap, that is too bad for you

Maybe you'll have a reason to play the game now...

Really? I am pretty sure people asked for it to be more involved. More challenging. You honestly think that adding a further grind to the pre-existing grinds meets those criteria?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Maybe the VR16 gear isn't meant to be worn by everyone. Just because you'll have a VR16 character doesn't mean you have to have all gold VR16 gear. Some of you spent millions of gold on your VR14 gear. Having a really high material cost actually makes your "outdated" gear still viable against 99.999% of opponents. Enjoy the favor Zos is doing for you here.

Waffennacht

I love it. I like it when the majority of the players wont put that much grind in. Makes my character more unique. I really hate this whole we all gotta be maxed out in a month! Boring, this way when someone makes this armor its an actual accomplishment.

I want as close of a game to .hack/sign. Where only a hand full of players are uber strong with the rest of us striving for such achievements.

Plus you are suppose to play this game for years

Lorkhan

Sausage wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Hey guys don't forget that there are NO new raw material, only Refined version... (which you get from deconing stuff and buying 1 for 100 telvar stones...and it seems the drop from deconing is...almost 5% chance lol)

The thing that honestly cracks me up about this? The Vet 16 stuff isn't really that much better than the Vet 15. It's the same normal "one VR higher" change you get from going from 10 to 11, or 14 to 15.

Maybe it has some crazy scaling in the quality upgrades, but if that's the case, I'm not seeing it (obviously).

Isnt that their philosophy for gears, they arent that important but if you want the very best, you need to work, so no-lifers/hc players has own goals to reach and not making them overpowered. Sounds good to me, if we are stuck to vr15 and no-lifers and HCers can grind their butt off.

Man!!!!
that wisdom

Vercingetorix

Oh, this is not good... Has ZoS not seen what happens when you turn a franchise into an insane grindfest with little new content? *Looks at Destiny with disgusted eyes*

It is important to note, however, that this PTS beta is just that - a BETA. If we are loud enough about hating the "proposed changes", I believe ZoS will reverse/alter these changes. Of course if ZoS completely ignores us, then maybe the game will die out. I'm hoping it will not come to that - it's a rather sad (and completely preventable) way to die out as a franchise.

Troneon

I see some people are okay with the large amount of grind and materials needed...ok I have a question for you...

Would you be ok with ZOS adding VR16 crafting materials to the crown store for "convenience" and so players can "skip" time and the grind by using real life money to achieve end game gear quicker?

No I did not think you would, but I think that is the real reason behind these large amount of resources and large amount of time to get, so they can add something in the crown store later to make it quicker to achieve which then equals...=$$$

My gut is just telling me that it is coming....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2luhwy3KAE0

Pallmor

Yeah, but it's a REALLY nice sword.

Rioht

I think it's great.

Now maybe all the privileged kiddies will have to work for gear and not have everything handed to them on a platter bought by the patents credit card.

Vr15 is easy to get.

Vr16 provides a small bonus, at a large cost.

That's how it should work.

Pallmor

xaraan wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Xaraan, don't forget the new glass motif and planar thingies! Yayyyy

Hey, you only need to get 200 or so fragments to put together that one glass motif!

Or you can just buy them in our Crown Store over here for a reasonable cost. ;-)

Tholian1

Waffennacht wrote: »

I love it. I like it when the majority of the players wont put that much grind in. Makes my character more unique. I really hate this whole we all gotta be maxed out in a month! Boring, this way when someone makes this armor its an actual accomplishment.

I want as close of a game to .hack/sign. Where only a hand full of players are uber strong with the rest of us striving for such achievements.

Plus you are suppose to play this game for years

I can agree up to a point. They need to have some balance so no-lifers are challenged, but casual and moderate players still have a chance to feel like they are accomplishing something without it taking years.

Pallmor

Foolish_Mortal

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe the VR16 gear isn't meant to be worn by everyone. Just because you'll have a VR16 character doesn't mean you have to have all gold VR16 gear. Some of you spent millions of gold on your VR14 gear. Having a really high material cost actually makes your "outdated" gear still viable against 99.999% of opponents. Enjoy the favor Zos is doing for you here.

Korozenn

MissBizz wrote: »

What's weird is VR15 uses WAY less. I don't recall the piece, but something I checked took 15 mats for VR15 and 150 for VR16. I am hoping its a typo.

This.

I'm very convinced that this has to be a typo. I mean...

110x9 (7 Armor Pieces & 2 Weapons) = 990, 100 TVS per 1 Raw Material...99,000 TVS for 990. And, this is just for VR16 gear alone on top of it...on ONE toon...ohmergerdhowcanyouevenwhatwhy?

Rinmaethodain

Korozenn wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

What's weird is VR15 uses WAY less. I don't recall the piece, but something I checked took 15 mats for VR15 and 150 for VR16. I am hoping its a typo.

This.

I'm very convinced that this has to be a typo. I mean...

110x9 (7 Armor Pieces & 2 Weapons) = 990, 100 TVS per 1 Raw Material...99,000 TVS for 990. And, this is just for VR16 gear alone on top of it ...ohmergerdhowcanyouevenwhatwhy?

Well, right now we can think this is probably a type or maybe a mistake.
But if for example, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_GinaBruno would be so kind to clarify if this is really intended or its a mistake, pass this information to appropriate dev team that would be great.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Pallmor wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Xaraan, don't forget the new glass motif and planar thingies! Yayyyy

Hey, you only need to get 200 or so fragments to put together that one glass motif!

Or you can just buy them in our Crown Store over here for a reasonable cost. ;-)

Korozenn wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

What's weird is VR15 uses WAY less. I don't recall the piece, but something I checked took 15 mats for VR15 and 150 for VR16. I am hoping its a typo.

This.

I'm very convinced that this has to be a typo. I mean...

110x9 (7 Armor Pieces & 2 Weapons) = 990, 100 TVS per 1 Raw Material...99,000 TVS for 990. And, this is just for VR16 gear alone on top of it ...ohmergerdhowcanyouevenwhatwhy?

As a crafter I really hope it isn't a typo. There is nothing wrong with making VR16 gear ridiculously hard to obtain and only slightly better than your current VR14 gear. This keeps VR14 stuff as the true end game gear for 99.999% of people, allows those who want to to slightly upgrade to VR15, and VR16 stuff just becomes a status symbol. Seems like a great way to be fair to long term "max" gear players.

Also, to reiterate, there is nothing anywhere that says you have to be able to easily obtain VR16 gear. If you want it earn it. If you don't want to earn it then you don't get it. If so few people want to earn it that it basically means no one has it then great, gameplay remains level.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

"Hey lets screw crafters sine more"
Zos logic....

Hope499

This sounds like absolute ***....

Wow, fix this crap

99Mile

Isn't that just to craft a set?

Paulhewhewria

So on top of the fun Tel Var Stone system I can now spend my life trying to make one piece of a set LOL. Yeah this DLC isn't looking too good to me and I'm a PVX player.

Korozenn

Until we get a response from someone, I'm just going to continue to assume the worst.

Time to leave some long /feedback on the PTS.

Paulhewhewria

Hay look I found a little hope http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/201737/hirelings-do-bring-new-mats#latest still not much.

kamikaze590

Hmm I mean if you just do the deconstruction XP method then you should be fine.

Zachy_B

Dumb.

Vizier

stock up on your mats...

Bookwyrm

Vizier wrote: »

stock up on your mats...

These are the new mats that come from IC drops/decon.

Recremen

I have to believe this is just some coding accident. Or a way to force us to craft V15 stuff for the first few weeks of PTS. It just seems so obviously out of tough and divorced from typical progression the game's put out so far, but it also seems right in line with testing requirements, like how template characters had none of their skills leveled for the 1.6 PTS run so all the ranks could be tested properly.

firstdecan

Tholian1 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I love it. I like it when the majority of the players wont put that much grind in. Makes my character more unique. I really hate this whole we all gotta be maxed out in a month! Boring, this way when someone makes this armor its an actual accomplishment.

I want as close of a game to .hack/sign. Where only a hand full of players are uber strong with the rest of us striving for such achievements.

Plus you are suppose to play this game for years

I can agree up to a point. They need to have some balance so no-lifers are challenged, but casual and moderate players still have a chance to feel like they are accomplishing something without it taking years.

Aren't the no-lifers challenged enough, hence the reason they're no-lifers?

Tholian1

firstdecan wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

I love it. I like it when the majority of the players wont put that much grind in. Makes my character more unique. I really hate this whole we all gotta be maxed out in a month! Boring, this way when someone makes this armor its an actual accomplishment.

I want as close of a game to .hack/sign. Where only a hand full of players are uber strong with the rest of us striving for such achievements.

Plus you are suppose to play this game for years

I can agree up to a point. They need to have some balance so no-lifers are challenged, but casual and moderate players still have a chance to feel like they are accomplishing something without it taking years.

Aren't the no-lifers challenged enough, hence the reason they're no-lifers?

Apparently ZOS doesn't think so since they seem to be making the climb more steep and unobtainable for the rest of us.

All stick and no carrot unless you have the time to make ESO a full time job.