Justice System Needs Nerf

GreySix

lathbury wrote: »

Ysne58 wrote: »

@ZOS_GaryA , @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom could someone please lock this thread? I'm getting real tired of reporting various posts in here.

not seen anything to bad

Concur. Have seen nothing that would violate forum rules.

A particular poster being hard-headed may be annoying, but it doesn't violate the rules of the forum

Vizier

Shrug. Don't get caught. You can pickpocket, but that's a choice. There are other ways to level legerdemain that offer almost no risk. Steal from homes and castles etc. It is the pickpocketing and killing that gives the bounty. Stop doing that if it's too much to overcome...shrug.

lathbury

maybe try returning the stuff like this burglar

RainbowDashMage

Azurulia wrote: »

RainbowDashMage wrote: »

Azurulia wrote: »

RainbowDashMage wrote: »

Also your probably veteran several times since you defend keeping the guards rediciously OP. Besides the point, if they would simply make one city with nerfed justice system for lower levels would it really be less fun for you? Some people want the game to be hard some want medium and some want easy. People who play hard are hardcore gamers. I play this game every once in a while I'm not a hardcore gamer but that doesn't mean you should dictate all the rules since you are super high level probably a veteran. Their should be easy cities, medium cities, and hard cities. I mean could you atleast support 1 nerfed justice system city for those who dont want the game to be super hard? It doesn't make any sense that you should get the whole game to be hard on justice system when some dont play as much as you and aren't as good.

What on earth are you talking about? Did you even read what I wrote?

First off, I don't think the guards are OP, I think they're guards. Even being a wimpy ass low level I have escaped them a number of times. (I quickly learnt not to go into water.) Like baiting them behind soemthign and stun and run out of their los so they cannot grab you right away. Hope over objects they cannot, etc. Though now I rarely aggro them because I memorized their pathing, so if a guard catches me and I die, I deserved it.

Using your head to outsmart the AI works great you just have to, well, use your head. Also, mobs are almost twice my level around were I am. I have to be super careful. There is nothing hardcore about it. It's quick, it's fast and it's easy. I just spent a lot of time doing it over a short period of time. anyone could do what I did over the course of a week or more. It's not impossible.

However what I do think sucks is being caught inside with a guard, you cannot do anything but die. I think there are better ways something could be done to prevent people from stealing next to doors as an escape than then outright making them have to die.

Also, pay more attention and actually read before posting. You just sound like an angry kid who doesn't have their facts straight trying to argue with adults.

Still trying to aurge that its easy to beat guards despite the fact that the majority of players are struggling with the justice system. Then the minority (The ones who sit on these forums and have veteraned before) complain their not hard enough. All you did in this post is put ways you escaped from the guard and tips. Doesn't really make a difference to people who don't play this game all the time and aren't hardcore gamers.

You... I don't even know what to say to you anymore. You're a lost cause.

But seeing as I am an idiot, too. I'll try 1 more time, real simple like.

It's not a mater of hardcore. It's not a matter of time. Hell, it's almost not even a matter of skill.

What it is, is thinking. Stealing is all about THINKING. Something every living person in the world is capable of.

Literally, you stop. Look around you. Find the guards and npcs locations in the immediate area. Then decide: if I try to do this at this moment, are they likely to move and me get caught? or should I wait a few seconds for a safer opportunity. You weigh the risk vs the reward and if saving a tiny bit of time is worth the possibility of being caught.

Okay, now this step is where the "Majority" are making their one biggest mistake. They either don't look, or they don't wait. waiting 5-20 seconds is TOO LONG for them to be asked to wait, so they take the risk then get caught, end up with bounties and aggro guards. Then they log onto the forums and complain about the system needing to be nerfed because they are incapable of thinking for themselves and having a bit of patience.

Like I said, stealing is all about thinking. With that said, are you going to complain that you are not a hardcore thinker who can think for themselves, so it should be watered down for you? Or maybe that your not a "Hardcore Waiter" who can wait a few seconds so lock picking should be instant so there is no risk of being caught for you?

I have absolutely 0 sympathy for self-entailed fools who are incapable of problem solving, then try to ruin everyone else fun because of it. They cry "We're not hardcore! You're just the minority!" when in actuality, they are just really bad at video games in general, or not very smart people. "Gamers" should not have to suffer becaouse of these people. Not hardcore gamers, not core gamers, not casual gamers, Just "Gamers" or people who genuinely love video games and are remotely decent at them.

Doing okay on a single player game like skyrim or any other elder scrolls game does not entitle you to do well here, online, with other people, where you actions effect more than just yourself.

This is the part where you just stop posting about this, RainbowDashMage, because I'm only going to make you look like a bigger fool than I just did, next time.

It's really not as easy as thinking, people intentionally try to pass guards to complete a quest because they have a huge bounty but then still get caught. Then they try serveral times and eventally give up. I have never had a big bounty, and I steal just fine thank you for making assumptions. I simply want it nerfed so people can actaully play the game if they have a huge bounty. I also want to be able to do crime sprees for fun like in skyrim. But it really is the minority like you that are fine with the system. I know tons of people and met many more that have had to delete characters because of their high bounty.

Also this is so cringe worthy. Makes me cringe so hard when I read this- " This is the part where you just stop posting about this, RainbowDashMage, because I'm only going to make you look like a bigger fool than I just did, next time."

Makes me want to take a peace of chalk and scrap it over a peace of glass so it would be less cringe worthy. It makes it sound like you are in some fantsys land were their are winners and losers of aurgements. Not going in further into detail.

lathbury

there are winners and losers in arguments ask my missus. unfortunately for all the tons of ppl you say want this change the only ppl turning up to your thread are the ones dont. You have been told a solution for your friends and seen that actually you are in the minority on this.

GreySix

RainbowDashMage

lathbury wrote: »

there are winners and losers in arguments ask my missus. unfortunately for all the tons of ppl you say want this change the only ppl turning up to your thread are the ones dont. You have been told a solution for your friends and seen that actually you are in the minority on this.

"there are winners and losers in arguments"
That cringe tho.... its strong in this one...

Yep I am the minority on this forum. Like I said, the only poeple who want the justice system to stay the way it is are the minority people who are veterans and spend way too much time on the game (People on this forum)

RainbowDashMage

to be fair to lathbury what he said wasn't nearly as cringe worthy as that other dude

Azurulia

lathbury wrote: »

there are winners and losers in arguments ask my missus. unfortunately for all the tons of ppl you say want this change the only ppl turning up to your thread are the ones dont. You have been told a solution for your friends and seen that actually you are in the minority on this.

^ this.

So I'm not even going to bother commenting about it any more.

What I will say, is that as a thief, I have my fingers crossed so hard for the enfrocer bit, or players being able to do soemthing about thsoe with bounties. To me, that makes stealing all the more risky, and thrilling. Knowing that I got to watch my back becoause an enforcer player could catch me only adds to the actual fun.

Sure, it is likely to drastically effect my profits, but stealing will be a lot more fun. It essentially will become one big game of cops and robbers. Which to me, personally, sounds awesome.

lathbury

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RainbowDashMage wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

there are winners and losers in arguments ask my missus. unfortunately for all the tons of ppl you say want this change the only ppl turning up to your thread are the ones dont. You have been told a solution for your friends and seen that actually you are in the minority on this
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"there are winners and losers in arguments"
That cringe tho.... its strong in this one...

Yep I am the minority on this forum. Like I said, the only poeple who want the justice system to stay the way it is are the minority people who are veterans and spend way too much time on the game (People on this forum)

if you dont think its possible to win an argument why are you trying? your logic is astounding (not in a good way). also insulting everyone who uses the forums not a good way to win ppl to your side but doing it while you yourself are using the forums priceless

Azurulia

lathbury wrote: »

if you dont think its possible to win an argument why are you trying? your logic is astounding (not in a good way). also insulting everyone who uses the forums not a good way to win ppl to your side but doing it while you yourself are using the forums priceless.

I may have written some cringe worthy stuff and came off as a tremendous A-hole, but the truth can be a bitter pill.

I simply had had enough, so I applied a bit of my philosophy minor education in with a bit of spite, which looking back may have been a bit much, so I do apologize. However my point remains.

It's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

Garwulf

Might be better to nerf the people who cry wolf. This game gets easier and easier with every month. A shadow of the game I purchased in April 2014.
Sometimes we need to be responsible for our actions. Killing randomly has consequence. In real life and in this game. If you do not like the consequences then do not kill the NPCs. At least it is better than real life where you will be goaled for years or in some backward countries, executed if caught. Hmm. Executing toons who randomly kill the NPCs .Now that is an excellent idea. String them up each week or at the very least allow PVPers to kill the NPC serial killers.

RainbowDashMage

I've laid

lathbury wrote: »

if you dont think its possible to win an argument why are you trying? your logic is astounding (not in a good way). also insulting everyone who uses the forums not a good way to win ppl to your side but doing it while you yourself are using the forums priceless.

their is nothing too win. I am expressing my opinion so the developers can see as well as others who might agree with me. What we just did was a disccusing, which had serveral petty insults I won't lie, I participated in them as well. I expressed my opinion, he expressed his. We tried to poke holes in each others. But that whole thing about it being an aurgement and him winning just came out of no where. Thats why it made me cringe so bad. I think azulia guy is right tho, we have expressed our opinions already their is nothing more to be said. I have better things to do then check this everyday for the new replies which will be more of these people who play the game all day and are all mad at me stating what the majority of people think for the developers. Like I would say 90% or above people on this forum are people who play this game way too much AKA verterans. The fact that this has over 70 replies shows that its not a fact that the justice system doesn't need to be nerfed. Thats an opinions. Facts dont need 70+ replies the fact that people landed on the moon doesn't need 70+ Replies to explain. We both shared opinions not facts. Their was no aurgument here. I wasn't angry you were angry. I wasn't trying to purswade you into believing my opinion was right, I was stating my opionion for others and the developers. So peace ~~

Azurulia

RainbowDashMage wrote: »

I've laid

lathbury wrote: »

if you dont think its possible to win an argument why are you trying? your logic is astounding (not in a good way). also insulting everyone who uses the forums not a good way to win ppl to your side but doing it while you yourself are using the forums priceless.

their is nothing too win. I am expressing my opinion so the developers can see as well as others who might agree with me. What we just did was a disccusing, which had serveral petty insults I won't lie, I participated in them as well. I expressed my opinion, he expressed his. We tried to poke holes in each others. But that whole thing about it being an aurgement and him winning just came out of no where. Thats why it made me cringe so bad. I think azulia guy is right tho, we have expressed our opinions already their is nothing more to be said. I have better things to do then check this everyday for the new replies which will be more of these people who play the game all day and are all mad at me stating what the majority of people think for the developers. Like I would say 90% or above people on this forum are people who play this game way too much AKA verterans. The fact that this has over 70 replies shows that its not a fact that the justice system doesn't need to be nerfed. Thats an opinions. Facts dont need 70+ replies the fact that people landed on the moon doesn't need 70+ Replies to explain. We both shared opinions not facts. Their was no aurgument here. I wasn't angry you were angry. I wasn't trying to purswade you into believing my opinion was right, I was stating my opionion for others and the developers. So peace ~~

Well said, and as was I.

Despite what people may think or believe, devs love feedback. They gobble the stuff up, your voices DO matter and are heard.

I've worked with an indie developer as direct Development QA (tested stuff as developers added it in before the pushing to staging servers.) and quest/mission writing on an MMO and saw first hand how much they really do listen and take into account what the players think and feel, they simply don't often say anything on the forums about it because they don't want to make any misconceptions, misunderstanding, or miscommunication.

They have been given thoughts on two sides of the justice system coin, so now we just wait and see what they think about it.

delushin

Doesn't the bounty slowly reduce over time anyways?

I remember handing in a quest in a bar when I was around level 40 and accidentally aoed the entire bar, so I killed everyone trying to attack me and got a 4k bounty.

I just went questing and it went away overtime, when I logged in it was gone?

Siniztor

lathbury wrote: »

maybe try returning the stuff like this burglar

lol im stealing this picture...ill pay the bounty for it lol

Reverb

Speed/stam pots and caltrops are my keys to escaping guards.

Vizier

Garwulf wrote: »

Might be better to nerf the people who cry wolf. This game gets easier and easier with every month. A shadow of the game I purchased in April 2014.
Sometimes we need to be responsible for our actions. Killing randomly has consequence. In real life and in this game. If you do not like the consequences then do not kill the NPCs. At least it is better than real life where you will be goaled for years or in some backward countries, executed if caught. Hmm. Executing toons who randomly kill the NPCs .Now that is an excellent idea. String them up each week or at the very least allow PVPers to kill the NPC serial killers.

QFT-

this is so true. Every aspect of this game is easier. NPC's, Bosses, raising skills, XP, etc. I don't think there is any single aspect of the game that hasn't been sugar coated to appease the lowest common denominator. Well, other than grinding. That got nerfed hard. Still XP requirements were reduced. Some aspects needed to be lightened up a bit but dang, it's a cake walk now.

Only overall changes I want to see is reasonable XP for PvP and a reduction in the grind. (NPC's should still be about 30% more difficult at least.) Well and about a dozen other things but that's at the top of the list.

SugaComa

RainbowDashMage wrote: »

So people who get bounties for fun can't get rid of them because they get way too high and unplayable forcing them to delete their character. I liked how in skyrim you could simply sleep it off in jail. Another problem, the guards are way too OP. People with a bounty can't complete quest they have in the town because guards just chain you toward them and you can't enter buildings to escape sometimes. The chain ability they have makes it nearly impossible to escape if they guards see you. I would like to go on a crime spree for fun like in skyrim but, I can't unless I want to basically delete my character and start over because the time the bounty would take to be gone would be way too long. Also the fact that the guards are invincible should be a sign of their over powered ness in itself. I think skyrim should be a good model for the justice system, town by town, jail, and killable guards. I don't quite understand the harsh nature of the current justice system, why? Some people want to have fun. It wouldn't be unfair or anything because everyone could do so if they wish.


Before anyone says I'm mad because I have a high bounty: I don't have a high bounty and never had. Known people who have had a high bounty to know not to rack up a huge bounty for fun like in skyrim. I just think the justice system needs a nerf for players who wish to do crimes for fun without having to delete their character or wait days for bounty to clear just so they can do town quest.......

Onlynthing I see that needs changing is the killing innocents.

Once a gaurd confronts you if you have the do notbkill innocents options enabled you can not kill a guard, it needs changing so once you're accosted theyre no longer innocents and can be combatted

Everything else is fine, the timer soon runs down and you can pay off your bounty in a thieves den

Same as sleeping it off in essenece

Somakarma

Justice system needs a buff.

LaLiLuLeLo

When people complain, I see there are certain individuals who tell them how they should "opt out" or "stop doing crime" if they're not happy with it. I don't think you can just fly high with telling people to stop getting involved into something that they're already mostly involved in, whether they want it or not. ( ಠ _ ಠ)

The general idea of this system is awesome. I like it but you have to admit, here are still plenty of flaws within it.

Personally I don't want to be forced having my hands tied up from the spells within the city around populace. Was the city supposed to feel like a detention center? I feel like I'm doing something wrong if I have to find some sort of elusive hole under a rock to avoid other players just to experiment with my healing spells.

For instance, getting randomly killed by the guards that were feeling a tad trigger happy when some criminal happened to run past me as I happen to cast a certain aoe healing spell. That ain't very fun [and very embarrassing]. Seriously, why do I have to be killed and robbed without any warnings or any way out of it? Even if you'll heal the criminal intentionally while he's battling the guards, that should not earn you an instant death sentence.

I have no problem with just getting a bounty, but this injustice and excessive force calls for a lawyer. I shall not stand for this malicious prosecution from the city guards!
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grumlins

Have to agree with the building problem. If no guards have gotten to me yet but they are in chase, I absolutely should be able to get out the door. This keeping me inside the building nonsense is for the birds, there ARE guards outside and if I am clever enough to escape them I should be able to! Please remove the keep you inside a building bug!