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Justice System Needs Nerf
So people who get bounties for fun can't get rid of them because they get way too high and unplayable forcing them to delete their character. I liked how in skyrim you could simply sleep it off in jail. Another problem, the guards are way too OP. People with a bounty can't complete quest they have in the town because guards just chain you toward them and you can't enter buildings to escape sometimes. The chain ability they have makes it nearly impossible to escape if they guards see you. I would like to go on a crime spree for fun like in skyrim but, I can't unless I want to basically delete my character and start over because the time the bounty would take to be gone would be way too long. Also the fact that the guards are invincible should be a sign of their over powered ness in itself. I think skyrim should be a good model for the justice system, town by town, jail, and killable guards. I don't quite understand the harsh nature of the current justice system, why? Some people want to have fun. It wouldn't be unfair or anything because everyone could do so if they wish.
Before anyone says I'm mad because I have a high bounty: I don't have a high bounty and never had. Known people who have had a high bounty to know not to rack up a huge bounty for fun like in skyrim. I just think the justice system needs a nerf for players who wish to do crimes for fun without having to delete their character or wait days for bounty to clear just so they can do town quest.......
Before anyone says I'm mad because I have a high bounty: I don't have a high bounty and never had. Known people who have had a high bounty to know not to rack up a huge bounty for fun like in skyrim. I just think the justice system needs a nerf for players who wish to do crimes for fun without having to delete their character or wait days for bounty to clear just so they can do town quest.......
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here's a thought. DON'T COMMIT CRIMES!
Problem solved.
(I'm being sarcastic - I know, sometimes it's unavoidable)
Question: "Crimes for fun"? What's that? I only commit crimes for profit.6 -
VoidBlue✭✭✭✭Make a toon just for that, easy work around. Now you can still quest on your main and be a pirate on your crime alt.2
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Personally, I think criminals have it too easy ... those who get caught anyway. IMO, players should be allowed to bounty hunt criminals anywhere.
Heres' what I'd like to see:- If the bounty hunter finds the criminal, the criminal would receive a highlighted message with a countdown.
- If the criminal paid his bounty, the message would go away, and he would be cleared.
- If the criminal did not surrender the bounty, he would be toggled into PvP and face justice.
- If the criminal logged out, his bounty would automatically be deducted
Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If your bounty is too high to pay, you probably shouldnt have gotten caught so much.
Murder discreetly, steal carefully, and stick to the shadows.
You guys are going to have it even worse if they ever finish the justice system and add enforcers.PS4 / NA
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
There is more than enough things to kill in this game that do not give you a bounty, and mowing down Town NPCs is not all that much fun, they don't fight back, well that much. And, you can do all the in town business you need to other than listing things in the Guild Stores and never go to a town. Traveling Merchants for Vendoring and Repairs, Hidden Crafting Stations so you don't need to be in town to make stuff, and the Thieves Refuge offers banking services and a Guild Kiosk. So, not being able to get to town is not a game killer if your a rascally murdering type.Edited by Nestor on July 15, 2015 9:56PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Personally, I think criminals have it too easy ... those who get caught anyway. IMO, players should be allowed to bounty hunt criminals anywhere.
Heres' what I'd like to see:- If the bounty hunter finds the criminal, the criminal would receive a highlighted message with a countdown.
- If the criminal paid his bounty, the message would go away, and he would be cleared.
- If the criminal did not surrender the bounty, he would be toggled into PvP and face justice.
- If the criminal logged out, his bounty would automatically be deducted
Agreed, there is a lack of consequences for being a criminal right now.
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✭✭✭✭This kind of poster is why the game has been made so easy now.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Make a toon just for that, easy work around. Now you can still quest on your main and be a pirate on your crime alt.
Guards are still too op and then I don't have all my skills and level. Having to level up all the way again twice.Here's a thought. DON'T COMMIT CRIMES!
Problem solved.
(I'm being sarcastic - I know, sometimes it's unavoidable)
Question: "Crimes for fun"? What's that? I only commit crimes for profit.
It's where you have "fun" in a game and don't take it so seriously.Personally, I think criminals have it too easy ... those who get caught anyway. IMO, players should be allowed to bounty hunt criminals anywhere.
Heres' what I'd like to see:- If the bounty hunter finds the criminal, the criminal would receive a highlighted message with a countdown.
- If the criminal paid his bounty, the message would go away, and he would be cleared.
- If the criminal did not surrender the bounty, he would be toggled into PvP and face justice.
- If the criminal logged out, his bounty would automatically be deducted
Criminals defanilty don't have it too easy that's certain. Lots of people go into the game thinking its like skyrim and get destroy by the justice system. Guards have infinite health and a chain that you cant escape. Bounty cant be paid by sleeping, far too OP justice system..
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✭✭✭✭✭FYI, for those unaware, the second phase of the justice system was intended to introduce 'enforcers' - players who can act as town guards. Enforcers would have to wear a special tabard that would mark them as guards, and while wearing the tabard they would be able to see what players have a high bounty, and be open to attacking them (or being attacked by those players).
Of course, ZOS cant finish anything they start, so we'll probably never see phase 2.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
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✭Is there anything people won't cry nerf for? If there is, let's just make the game revolve around that5 -
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✭✭✭Personally, I think criminals have it too easy ... those who get caught anyway. IMO, players should be allowed to bounty hunt criminals anywhere.
Heres' what I'd like to see:- If the bounty hunter finds the criminal, the criminal would receive a highlighted message with a countdown.
- If the criminal paid his bounty, the message would go away, and he would be cleared.
- If the criminal did not surrender the bounty, he would be toggled into PvP and face justice.
- If the criminal logged out, his bounty would automatically be deducted
There is supposed to be an Enforcer Skill that allows players to hunt Outlaws coming, unless that has changed.
As for this thread's topic it's the player's fault for being careless and stupid. Wanna commit murder? Then do it in assassin form and perform Stealth Attacks on NPCs you can fell in 1 hit when no others are around. If they drop dead immediately and no one bears witness you get no bounty. Looting is an art and yes sometimes NPCs pull *** moves and bust you out of nowhere but 'tis the risk thieves take when trying to make an illegal living. Safeboxes are especially risky! Pickpocketing... Well just get your Thieving Skill Tree up so you can activate the passive to make it easier and you should get caught less often. Breaking and entering? Just wait until daytime to go in...
Only one person is at fault for having a super high bounty and trouble in town for it: The one that got the bounty! ZoS owes those players nothing for their mistake. You can also do what VoidBlue said and make a toon exclusively for racking up a bounty for spits and giggles.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 15, 2015 10:03PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭Have you ever used block, dodge roll, bolt escape, mist form, dragon blood, breath of life or hardened ward when chased by a guard. Any of those should allow you to escape easiely.1 -
Korozenn✭✭✭✭RainbowDashMage wrote: »Make a toon just for that, easy work around. Now you can still quest on your main and be a pirate on your crime alt.
Guards are still too op and then I don't have all my skills and level. Having to level up all the way again twice.Here's a thought. DON'T COMMIT CRIMES!
Problem solved.
(I'm being sarcastic - I know, sometimes it's unavoidable)
Question: "Crimes for fun"? What's that? I only commit crimes for profit.
It's where you have "fun" in a game and don't take it so seriously.Personally, I think criminals have it too easy ... those who get caught anyway. IMO, players should be allowed to bounty hunt criminals anywhere.
Heres' what I'd like to see:- If the bounty hunter finds the criminal, the criminal would receive a highlighted message with a countdown.
- If the criminal paid his bounty, the message would go away, and he would be cleared.
- If the criminal did not surrender the bounty, he would be toggled into PvP and face justice.
- If the criminal logged out, his bounty would automatically be deducted
Criminals defanilty don't have it too easy that's certain. Lots of people go into the game thinking its like skyrim and get destroy by the justice system. Guards have infinite health and a chain that you cant escape. Bounty cant be paid by sleeping, far too OP justice system..
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭FYI, for those unaware, the second phase of the justice system was intended to introduce 'enforcers' - players who can act as town guards. Enforcers would have to wear a special tabard that would mark them as guards, and while wearing the tabard they would be able to see what players have a high bounty, and be open to attacking them (or being attacked by those players).
I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭RainbowDashMage wrote: »
Why do you need levels and skills to be a criminal ?
All you need is the ledgermain skillline. And you can level that up as you pirate away just a mere 15 levels to be an amazing full time pirateEdited by VoidBlue on July 15, 2015 10:08PM0 -
To the people saying "Don't get that high bounty!" or the "Its your fault". I don't have a bounty at all right now and have never had a high bounty I have known people who have to know not to get one that high. I want to go on crime sprees for "fun" its a game not real life, for fun!0
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Nope killing high lvl citizens requires high level to get the high level citizens. A lvl 3 will get pwned by everyone in the city.RainbowDashMage wrote: »
Why do you need levels and skills to be a criminal ?
All you need is the ledgermain skillline. And you can level that up as you pirate away
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Slonekb05✭✭✭Your friends just sound bad at stealing/killing, the whole objective is not to get caught. I have had high bounties and was able to sneak around to talk to quest npc's, do tradeskills, bank. then sneak out of town. Your friends are probably being impatient and just running through town when they have a bounty.1 -
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Then don't kill them. Just pickpocket them.RainbowDashMage wrote: »Nope killing high lvl citizens requires high level to get the high level citizens. A lvl 3 will get pwned by everyone in the city.
IMO, it should be hazardous to release your inner psychopathic tendencies, even in a game like ESO.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭RainbowDashMage wrote: »
Nope killing high lvl citizens requires high level to get the high level citizens. A lvl 3 will get pwned by everyone in the city.RainbowDashMage wrote: »
Why do you need levels and skills to be a criminal ?
All you need is the ledgermain skillline. And you can level that up as you pirate away
Well mister picky! I suggest you hurry up and get a level 50 pirate for your high crimes0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭RainbowDashMage wrote: »To the people saying "Don't get that high bounty!" or the "Its your fault". I don't have a bounty at all right now and have never had a high bounty I have known people who have to know not to get one that high. I want to go on crime sprees for "fun" its a game not real life, for fun!
Wouldn't t be more fun in real life? Not to mention more profitable?
I'm confused why crime, in any form would be considered "fun". I don't commit crimes if I can help it in any game I play (I know sometimes you have to)... Okay, except in the case of murder... you know, wanton, joyful homicide.
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Siniztor✭✭✭what is a high level? i mean ive fenced over 200k and never had a bounty over 3k..are you or err your friend just killing town npcs?0 -
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✭RainbowDashMage wrote: »So people who get bounties for fun can't get rid of them because they get way too high and unplayable forcing them to delete their character. I liked how in skyrim you could simply sleep it off in jail. Another problem, the guards are way too OP. People with a bounty can't complete quest they have in the town because guards just chain you toward them and you can't enter buildings to escape sometimes. The chain ability they have makes it nearly impossible to escape if they guards see you. I would like to go on a crime spree for fun like in skyrim but, I can't unless I want to basically delete my character and start over because the time the bounty would take to be gone would be way too long. Also the fact that the guards are invincible should be a sign of their over powered ness in itself. I think skyrim should be a good model for the justice system, town by town, jail, and killable guards. I don't quite understand the harsh nature of the current justice system, why? Some people want to have fun. It wouldn't be unfair or anything because everyone could do so if they wish.
Before anyone says I'm mad because I have a high bounty: I don't have a high bounty and never had. Known people who have had a high bounty to know not to rack up a huge bounty for fun like in skyrim. I just think the justice system needs a nerf for players who wish to do crimes for fun without having to delete their character or wait days for bounty to clear just so they can do town quest.......
Can slide into a refuge and have your name cleared.
Most refuges have entrances outside of town so you don't have to deal with guards."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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✭Oh I commit crimes in ESO, stealing stuff left and right.
But I'm careful about it, and in the very few instances in which I'm caught red-handed, I haul ass from the area ... and if I can't get away, I surrender and pay the bounty.
And I laugh at the ones who stand and fight the guard, suffering an inglorious death.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Then don't kill them. Just pickpocket them.RainbowDashMage wrote: »Nope killing high lvl citizens requires high level to get the high level citizens. A lvl 3 will get pwned by everyone in the city.
IMO, it should be hazardous to release your inner psychopathic tendencies, even in a game like ESO.
LMAO! If you think this game is like real life, with real life consequences you probably shouldn't be playing it. If games were like real life you would be punished hard and not to mention have to live with the guilt of killing someone. This is not a person this is a robot. Their is a difference. Robots do not have souls and are not living creatures. If you think you are killing actaul people in the game you should probably not be playing it as that is psychopathic. To willing kill what you think is real people. Thats like saying killing people in call of duty makes you a psychopath or killing people in grand theft auto makes you a psychopath....0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭RainbowDashMage wrote: »LMAO! If you think this game is like real life, with real life consequences you probably shouldn't be playing it.
No, I think it is like former TES games, where stupid criminals should die ... a lot.
Edited by GreySix on July 15, 2015 10:19PMCrotchety Old Man Guild
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chaserstorm16909✭✭✭✭✭There is nothing wrong with the justice system. Your bounty even decays while you're not online. If you're going to get caught committing crimes, do it right before you're going to be offline for a while. Otherwise, don't play as a criminal.0
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✭✭✭RainbowDashMage wrote: »To the people saying "Don't get that high bounty!" or the "Its your fault". I don't have a bounty at all right now and have never had a high bounty I have known people who have to know not to get one that high. I want to go on crime sprees for "fun" its a game not real life, for fun!RainbowDashMage wrote: »
Then don't kill them. Just pickpocket them.RainbowDashMage wrote: »Nope killing high lvl citizens requires high level to get the high level citizens. A lvl 3 will get pwned by everyone in the city.
IMO, it should be hazardous to release your inner psychopathic tendencies, even in a game like ESO.
LMAO! If you think this game is like real life, with real life consequences you probably shouldn't be playing it. If games were like real life you would be punished hard and not to mention have to live with the guilt of killing someone. This is not a person this is a robot. Their is a difference. Robots do not have souls and are not living creatures. If you think you are killing actaul people in the game you should probably not be playing it as that is psychopathic. To willing kill what you think is real people. Thats like saying killing people in call of duty makes you a psychopath or killing people in grand theft auto makes you a psychopath....
Do you honestly expect the civilians to just roll over at your sadism? Real life or virtual life doesn't matter which one it is they both follow their laws and this game has medieval laws so deal with it.
Also you're comparing other games to the Elder Scrolls series which has always followed a sort of realistic theme in the first place. Shame on you...Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 15, 2015 10:24PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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IWannaBeATiger✭✭✭I'd rather have a better sneak system than a nerfed justice system. Too many times i've pick pocketed someone (with 3 points in pick pocketing so 100% chance on easy targets) with the eye fully closed only to get a bounty.
Or waiting for the eye to close only for it to pop open just before its fully closed with no one nearby and it starts closing immediately after only to repeat 3 or 4 times.Edited by IWannaBeATiger on July 15, 2015 10:27PM2 -
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hahahahah elder scrolls, "realistic" ? LMAO!! I guess il go sleep off my tax payments XD or maybe just pay half of what the item is worth to steal LOLOLOLOL. Please don't make that joke, games are the last thing to realistic. Yeah sure the npc saying the same line over in over are the most real.... XP also my suggestion for the justice system was the way skyrim did it. Which is a past elder scrolls game. But really XD taking games seriously?? this forum is way too serious. Thinking NCPs are actaul people hahahahahah. No wonder this game was made so hard compared to skyrim. The mmo rpg people are way too serious. You shouldn't take games seriously or expect them to be realistic, they are not they are games. They are mental people who have taken games seriously and done crazy things because they think they can get away with crimes because they do it in games. Don't think of games as real life big differences. Games don't have any real life concequences and don't effect anyone but you. Real life is differnt then games. What you do in real life does effect others and has concequences. Dont get them confuesedUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Also you're comparing other games to the Elder Scrolls series which has always followed a sort of realistic theme in the first place. Shame on you...
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