Silver and gold isnt so bad. I like being able to see all sides of the war
Being forced to do this on all my characters is actually what's stopping me from levelling past 50 and constantly making me think about quitting ESO. I hear you OP
Cadwell
Assume you are a member of the Daggerfall Covenant for this section.
- Cadwell's Silver will begin as it does now. following the end of the Main Quest. But:
- As soon as you arrive in the starter city of Vulkhel Guard, the following text appears on-screen: New Task: Cadwell's Silver - Experience the Aldmeri Dominion.
- Cadwell's Silver is then removed/hidden from the Journal. This is so that the quest is not there hanging over you if you don't want to do it. (Progress tracking in Cadwell's Almanac proceeds as normal.)
- A projection of Cadwell invites you to visit the Aldmeri version of the Harborage to return to your own alliance. There's a projection of him in the Aldmeri Harborage as well, with the same dialogue he would have if you met him in the normal (Daggerfall) Harborage.
- Activating the Light of Meridia in the Aldmeri Harborage returns you to the Daggerfall Harborage, where Cadwell is waiting... with a new quest for you.
- Cadwell's Gold will begin as soon as you return to the Daggerfall Harborage after your initial trip to the Dominion lands. Cadwell's dialogue here ("Well, you've experienced two of the three alliances. Care to finish the set?[...]") does not need to be changed, as you have still technically experienced two alliances.
- As before, as soon as you arrive in Davon's Watch, you get a New Task: Cadwell's Gold - Experience the Ebonheart Pact.
- Cadwell's Gold is removed/hidden from the Journal to avoid clutter.
- You now have access to both Cadwell areas without being required to complete one of them first, aside from visiting the first city and leaving again.
- Returning to any version of the Harborage gives you access to the Light of Meridia. Activate it whenever you like to be given a choice of alliances to visit. eg, press E for Dominion, F for Pact or X for Covenant.
- If either section of Cadwell's Almanac is completed, you see Task Completed: Cadwell's Silver/Gold - You have completed the Dominion/Pact section of Cadwell's Almanac. At this time, the relevant quest reappears in the Journal for you to turn in to Cadwell in the Daggerfall Harborage. Turn in works as it does now.
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
Averya_Teira wrote: »Lord_Draevan wrote: »
Except you actually help the other alliances instead of undermining them from within as a spy would do ... which makes no f-ing sense.
I don't see how technical accuracy is laughable. Silver and gold are technically endgame, so there's nothing wrong with saying so.lol @ thinking silver and gold are endgame. i stopped reading after that
MornaBaine wrote: »So apparently this terrible excuse for "end game" isn't going away any time soon nor is it being replaced by anything that would be a viable alternative to the horror we all know as Cadwell's Silver and Gold. So here's a few ideas on making it....not so awful.
1. Allow players to choose which zone they unlock first as Silver. All my characters are DC. This means Silver for me is AD. No offense you snobby Altmers and insane, "Are you....eating a SALAD? DIE!!!" Bosmers but I REALLY hate that faction. I love Elswhyr and getting to learn about the khajiit but overall the idea of dragging yet another character through that zone makes me want to run amuck at ZoS headquarters with a rusty chainsaw. And the real agony is that because you HAVE TO DO ALL THEIR MAIN STORY QUESTS you can't just grind to get the heck out of there! In fact, grinding will not help you AT ALL. You can pop double XP potions and overlevel yourself all you want...you are not escaping from Cadwell's Silver one second earlier. Now, once you get to Gold there's nothing left to unlock so you can pretty much just do whatever you want there to level. You can even IGNORE their Main Story quests because not doing them will not adversely affect you at all. So you can grind or explore the fun side quests as this is just now a few more levelling zones. Please ZoS, for the love of all that is holy, let me chose EP as my Silver zone.
2. Remove the Main Story quests requirement for both factions. Just let us grind or do interesting side quests that maybe don't have us turning traitor to our own faction and level just as we did in our own faction for 1-50. Just don't MAKE us do those quests to get the heck out of there. This doesn't negate Cadwell's premise of having us "see the other side" at all, it still lets us see the war from the perspective of the other side without having to kiss Ayrenn's arse. Is that really so much to ask?
3. Just open up both factions at once. Scale all quests to level and be done with it.
Any or all of these things would make things sooooo much better.
notimetocare wrote: »It wont effect you unless you need skill points. Its not that Silver and gold are unbearable, its that they don't offer value for replay. I enjoyed them both already, twice. Id rather go grind but silver seems a blockade to that.
Come on, CP was the very first real structure for endgame, now they just needs to build the endgame around it and they are set. Im sure the transformation is ready in 1 year and then they can focus on content.
And that right there is the problem with Silver and Gold. They are technically endgame (as they come after the Level Cap at Level 50), advertised as endgame, but you have to level through them because 50 is a false summit. Levelling through endgame is a contradiction to what endgame is supposed to be (and why removal of vet ranks should address it).while my previous post may be on the troller side. Endgame cannot be established when there are levels left. Any game made before this day, endgame happens after the leveling stop. When your focus shifts from the number by your character to things like gear, collections, achivements then my friend, you have started the endgame.
MornaBaine wrote: »Come on, CP was the very first real structure for endgame, now they just needs to build the endgame around it and they are set. Im sure the transformation is ready in 1 year and then they can focus on content.
I don't want to put up with Silver the way it is for one more year. The changes I mention above are pretty minor and well within the realm of the do-able.
MornaBaine wrote: »Come on, CP was the very first real structure for endgame, now they just needs to build the endgame around it and they are set. Im sure the transformation is ready in 1 year and then they can focus on content.
I don't want to put up with Silver the way it is for one more year. The changes I mention above are pretty minor and well within the realm of the do-able.
MornaBaine wrote: »3. Just open up both factions at once. Scale all quests to level and be done with it.
MornaBaine wrote: »3. Just open up both factions at once. Scale all quests to level and be done with it.
I'd say this one, but leave the level spread so that "Silver" is still lower level than "Gold". Though if we are moving to V16 and they are upping quest XP, they really need to rescale all the vet zones upward. I'm always overleveled when I do Silver/Gold because I do other stuff, not just questing.
notimetocare wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »Come on, CP was the very first real structure for endgame, now they just needs to build the endgame around it and they are set. Im sure the transformation is ready in 1 year and then they can focus on content.
I don't want to put up with Silver the way it is for one more year. The changes I mention above are pretty minor and well within the realm of the do-able.
None of these options are actually minor. I want what you is smokin'.
MaximusDargus wrote: »I agree that there should be no restriction to which zone you can go. After finishing own alliance you should be allowed to freely travel both to silver and gold zones. But players should keep in mind that if they go to caldwell gold zone first (because they should be allowed to go there) they will get wrecked by VR10 mobs if they are freshly VR1
Being forced to do this on all my characters is actually what's stopping me from levelling past 50 and constantly making me think about quitting ESO. I hear you OP