PvE Tanking Future. - DO NOT GET RID OF STAM REGEN WHILE BLOCKING IN PVE

Nifty2g

No stamina regen while blocking will put a stop to the perma blockers. This is more directed toward PvP, but unfortunately will affect PvE as well.

How exactly do you expect people to tank in PvE now?

Blocking in PvE END GAME content is a must, there is a high use of stamina regen for tanking in PvE you can't just take that away, you will completely destroy the PvE content and cause a horrible uproar with this decision, I really hope ZOS that you are only having this affect PvP only as an effect in Cyrodill because there is no way a tank can take damage in Trials and plan certain bosses they will get one shot, there is no way you can tank in VDSA with everything eating your stamina and having no regen.

I hope those at ZOS have actually played trials before to understand this.

Artemiisia

you will have to block whens needed and not just sit there doing perma block

Nifty2g

Artemiisia wrote: »

you will have to block whens needed and not just sit there doing perma block

Then you pretty much die in Trials / VDSA, anything that power attacks you is a one shot. Have you not done any end game pve?

tordr86b16_ESO

Apparently they don't want tanks in their game anymore.

Reeko

Or maybe now you will need more skill to tank in PvE? I say bring it!

Nifty2g

Reeko wrote: »

Or maybe now you will need more skill to tank in PvE? I say bring it!

It's not skill to tank, you will actually not be able to do it. Blocking takes way too much stamina. Even with block reduction in Champion System.
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Please tell me you thought about this right and you guys have tanked end game content before? This decision will ruin PvE

Sausage

Well, that was needed, currently tanks press block and suck all magicka and stamina in PVP from 10+ guys. Thats why DKs hated NBs fear so much and wanted it to be nerfed to make them even more powerful. Truth is that fear is only way to kill good tanks. Justice!

uso245

The people saying "need more skill" I understand both sides of this. It can be fun to actively block at proper times but honestly from an endgame PvE standpoint this will merely turn most of the tanks off which doesn't help with the fact that MMOs tend to have a shortage of tanks to begin with.

PS: I'll still tank on my stamina dk personally but I know quite a few tanks that have already decided to call it quits.

Nifty2g

Sausage wrote: »

Well, that was needed, currently tanks press block and suck all magicka and stamina in PVP from 10+ guys. Thats why DKs hated NBs fear so much and wanted it to be nerfed to make them even more powerful.

Thread is about PvE not PvP sure it's ruining PvP but then again, you are a tank built for taking damage, and having the resources to do so, not have them forcefully taken away, but anyway. This is going to fully impact PvE to a point where the content is going to be unbeatable and then they will have to change it. May as well change it now

Bromburak

Nifty2g wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking will put a stop to the perma blockers. This is more directed toward PvP, but unfortunately will affect PvE as well.

How exactly do you expect people to tank in PvE now?

Like a man.

Sausage

Nifty2g wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Well, that was needed, currently tanks press block and suck all magicka and stamina in PVP from 10+ guys. Thats why DKs hated NBs fear so much and wanted it to be nerfed to make them even more powerful.

Thread is about PvE not PvP sure it's ruining PvP but then again, you are a tank built for taking damage, and having the resources to do so, not have them forcefully taken away, but anyway. This is going to fully impact PvE to a point where the content is going to be unbeatable and then they will have to change it. May as well change it now

Im sure we find a solution to it, but I just wanted say why it was needed.

dodgehopper_ESO

Sausage wrote: »

Well, that was needed, currently tanks press block and suck all magicka and stamina in PVP from 10+ guys. Thats why DKs hated NBs fear so much and wanted it to be nerfed to make them even more powerful. Truth is that fear is only way to kill good tanks. Justice!

Yet they also pay a price in damage output for this ability. Its not just DK's that will be hurt by this. I've seen some excellent tanks from all classes. Dk's are just the most obvious one. These changes aren't good though. The increased cost to roll dodging sounds great, until you realize that a magicka DK can talon you ad infinitum. All they've done is swing the balance in favor of magic again, in a major way. I also feel you're grossly misrepresenting the power of blocking with the 10+ guys issue. If 10+ guys can't take down a single tank, they're doing something wrong or they are way underclassed with respect to that tank. Please don't compare an Emperor Tank decked out in Gold Set Gear designed for tanking in Pvp with the entire populace.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Hmm thing is this doesn't effect true tanks cause we know what in oblivion were doing apose to the wanna be tanks who coward behind a shield.

Brothers and sisters in metal let us form a impregnable wall and laugh at those who think were dead.

Faulgor

Best change ever.

Love Dark Souls mechanics in my ESO.

tordr86b16_ESO

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Well, that was needed, currently tanks press block and suck all magicka and stamina in PVP from 10+ guys. Thats why DKs hated NBs fear so much and wanted it to be nerfed to make them even more powerful. Truth is that fear is only way to kill good tanks. Justice!

Yet they also pay a price in damage output for this ability. Its not just DK's that will be hurt by this. I've seen some excellent tanks from all classes. Dk's are just the most obvious one. These changes aren't good though. The increased cost to roll dodging sounds great, until you realize that a magicka DK can talon you ad infinitum. All they've done is swing the balance in favor of magic again, in a major way. I also feel you're grossly misrepresenting the power of blocking with the 10+ guys issue. If 10+ guys can't take down a single tank, they're doing something wrong or they are way underclassed with respect to that tank. Please don't compare an Emperor Tank decked out in Gold Set Gear designed for tanking in Pvp with the entire populace.

Exactly, no normal tank without the emp buff can tank that many.

Natjur

Templar spears will be come more important for FEEDING the tank stamina

Acrolas

Well, ideally we'd all spend 3,000 crowns apiece for Frost Mares, line them up as a barrier, and let them do the tanking while we pick and choose our shots.

But then we'd have to buy new Frost Mares for every raid. Unless I can trade a few dozen stacks of Frost Glue and Frost Cheval for a new Mare.

Nifty2g

Can you please, take the PvP talk out of here, it's about PvE end game content which will be made unable to play, you will get one shot if you do not block or have stamina to block. Nothing will be able to work around this, you will die in Sanctum, HRC, AA and VDSA on the first bosses.

Zeg0ta

For endgame pve this is gonna suck. Tanking AA axes for example your taunting 3 sometimes 4 axes at a time it's very crucial that you can't run out of stam or drop block or you'll get one shot. Blocking cost a lot even with reduced block cost . This is really gonna turn tanks away from endgame pve. There has to be another way . Say for example reduce the amount of damage you do while blocking or if you wear a 5 piece heavy armor set you negate the no regeneration debuff.

PBpsy

You will have to anticipate the damage just like templars with their BOL will anticipate you will get splattered all over the place.. Its all about anticipation and stuff.
Anyway most of was actually fun and well thought out in this game was destroyed back in 1.6 .They can't really ruin this much further.

lathbury

uso245 wrote: »

The people saying "need more skill" I understand both sides of this. It can be fun to actively block at proper times but honestly from an endgame PvE standpoint this will merely turn most of the tanks off which doesn't help with the fact that MMOs tend to have a shortage of tanks to begin with.

PS: I'll still tank on my stamina dk personally but I know quite a few tanks that have already decided to call it quits.

I'm in the process of leveling my first dedicated tank having said that i have tanked a few trials by re gearing my stamina dps char and I'm looking forward to trying it out.
in short challenge accepted

Yinmaigao

Man, PvP based changes that fundamentally alter PvE kill me.

I really hope they come up with some way to make tanking viable still...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Umm guys just reroll Nightblade tanks with Siphoning Attacks > lay down caltrops > Stand and twisted path (weak damage, no heal but it hit more enemies so.. Yea) I have a 7 heavy magic tank with 25k~ magic and 10~ stamina with 700~ regen that perma blocks with no problems at all and off hand resto for self heals like really.

Nightblade is the "new" tanking class you can't match respire return like Siphoning Attacks it even makes Path of Darkness useful and that's no short order

BuggeX

Nifty2g wrote: »

No stamina regen while blocking will put a stop to the perma blockers. This is more directed toward PvP, but unfortunately will affect PvE as well.

How exactly do you expect people to tank in PvE now?

When? Wy? who told this? wath is about permarollers? yea just nerf DKs to the ground and buff NB even more with vigor rank 5

xManimalx

They think they have a PvP game. Hahah now that's funny.

PBpsy

xManimalx wrote: »

They think they have a PvP game. Hahah now that's funny.

Yeah. It is hilarious .

...but they think they have a compelling pve game also. Which is even more funny.

xManimalx

PBpsy wrote: »

xManimalx wrote: »

They think they have a PvP game. Hahah now that's funny.

Yeah. It is hilarious .

...but they think they have a compelling pve game also. Which is even more funny.

Changing the game to meet PvP machanics is like catering to dwarfs and making all bathroom stalls two feet high.

ckbud

This "no-stam-regen" while blocking idea is the worst possible idea I've ever heard of for this game. Tell me one person who plays this game who's actually asked for this and how would it improve the game?!?

There are many instances in PVE where the tank is not just on ONE completely solitary boss with no adds, holding block, standing still. There are MANY instances where the tank is on ONE or TWO bosses, and simultaneously gathering, taunting and tanking ALL the adds that spawn. In stage 7 of VDSA, while everyone is off killing sacrifices, I'm taunting and tanking and holding like 8 adds. Plus there are 2 bosses for that stage, and adds that spawn on top of them. Again, not just ONE boss and nothing else to worry about. Plus, remember the boss and the 3 and 4 Centurions in VDSA stage 8.

Don't see how I'm supposed to let go of block to regen my stam in any of these situations. This idea is just crazy, complete craziness. THIS IDEA MUST BE STOPPED BEFORE IT'S EVERY IMPLEMENTED! Please take a poll of the community on this before implementing it. Again, how does this improve people's enjoyment of the game?

How about no-stam-regen while blocking ONLY in PVP. I'd like to see Eric Wrobel tank endgame PVE with no stam regen while blocking. Completely preposterous. This is too drastic a change for PVE right now. How about we try it out at just 50%-stam-regen while blocking to start out with and we'll let you know how that goes? Never thought I'd hear news like this today. Crazy.

PBpsy

Come to think of it probably content will be nerfed a bit and it will be even more about dps. Vet dungeons can be done pretty fast without a tank and 4 DPS/heals. It is actually easier if the dps is competent you can skip most mechanics by just melting the boss.. I had pugs where I didn't notice the boss til after it was dead already. With some more cp and maybe some more dps buffs maybe everything can be done with just dps. We will all equip Shooting star and wreak everything with moar deeps.

Rinmaethodain

Soon in any faction capital city with undaunted enclave:

"DPS LFG Vet pledge" X 10, 20,50,150
and
"LF1M tank vet pledge" X 10,20,50,150

How nice, when minority of pvp junkies and whiners are ruining pve experience for majority of players.

Nifty2g

I can't wait when they ignore this thread and still bring it in. Lol @ZOS lol