Why. Why are you increasing Vet levels to v16.

Armisael9 · July 2015

What the is going to happen to my gear I spent months farming and saving for upgrades. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THEM TO SCALE WITH THE PLAYER, AT LEAST THE UNDAUNTED MONSTER PLEDGE SETS?! I mean come on, this just straight up demotivating/ low/ discouraging/ frustrating. They said vet ranks was going away. HOURS OF TIME LOST ON CURRENT GEAR.

BrassRazoo · July 2015

This is good news. Been VR14 for too long and need something else to aim for.

notimetocare · July 2015

Armisael9 wrote: »

What the is going to happen to my gear I spent months farming and saving for upgrades. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THEM TO SCALE WITH THE PLAYER, AT LEAST THE UNDAUNTED MONSTER PLEDGE SETS?! I mean come on, this just straight up demotivating/ low/ discouraging/ frustrating. They said vet ranks was going away. HOURS OF TIME LOST ON CURRENT GEAR.

Is this your first MMORPG? I think it is. I am sorry you had to find out this way, but eventually you need new gear.

Ackwalan · July 2015

To sell more crown xp scrolls.

Troneon · July 2015

To sell more crown xp scrolls silly.

tinythinker · July 2015

Gear power and certain forms of base stat increase are currently bound to rank. Want powerful new gear for new challenges/advancement and rewards for completing new content? (Maybe not, but other do.) It comes with new veteran ranks until the VR system can be fully replaced.

They added VR11-12 for lower Craglorn and VR13-14 for upper Craglorn. No real surprise (to me) that until the final phase of removing VR is complete new ranks would come with a new zone given how things have gone previously.

GreySix · July 2015

Because...

AngryNord · July 2015

Did you cry just as much when you hit level 10 in Skyrim and discovered that your level 3 gear was no longer as useful, too?

Sausage · July 2015

LOL, so Zen tricked us, awesome. If that the plan sure the game can go with two endgame progression. I hope though VR becomes account-wide though.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Remember when people would rejoice when they heard the level cap was going up? lol

AngryNord · July 2015

Sausage wrote: »

I hope though VR becomes account-wide though.

Yeah, I mean, why play the game at all? Hell, everyone should just be given a v16 character with full gear right away, right?

Sausage · July 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

I hope though VR becomes account-wide though.

Yeah, I mean, why play the game at all? Hell, everyone should just be given a v16 character with full gear right away, right?

So CP is account-wide, is CP becoming a semi-endgame progression now? Man did they just pulled a tons of *** on them, yes, they did.

Bromburak · July 2015

Sausage wrote: »

LOL, so Zen tricked us, awesome.

In this industry its been called doing business.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

Well my opinion who cares? just means 2 more attribute and skill points and better craftable gear. I say bring it make my Whitestrake armor and Greatsword stronger.

Sausage · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

LOL, so Zen tricked us, awesome.

In this industry its been called doing business.

I hope so. They can do whatever they want, its their game, but this looks like some Amateurish mess.

ChingChangChui · July 2015

Not sure if the title of the thread is a question or statement...

Farorin · July 2015

This is bull****.

I do not give a damn about reasons, or rational behind it, the fact is they continue telling us one thing, and doing another.

That is NOT an insult, but a reasonable statement deduced from their own actions.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Garethjolnir · July 2015

It is to be expected. Welcome to MMO's.

OzJohnD · July 2015

Garethjolnir wrote: »

It is to be expected. Welcome to MMO's.

QFT

Rev Rielle · July 2015

Garethjolnir wrote: »

It is to be expected. Welcome to MMO's.

And therein lies the problem. Inherent to the vast majority of MMOs these days. One day, one day, a company will be brave enough to truly be different and break out of the mold.

tinythinker · July 2015

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Garethjolnir wrote: »

It is to be expected. Welcome to MMO's.

And therein lies the problem. Inherent to the vast majority of MMOs these days. One day, one day, a company will be brave enough to truly be different and break out of the mold.

The current bind for ZOS is that they are trying to release new content and remove VR at the same time. If they delay new content until VR is removed, well, we've seen how well big delays have gone over. If they release major new content without progression, some players will get bored or feel they aren't being rewarded.

It's a problem they created, so this isn't about sympathy, but if I had to decide I would go with new VR levels rather than incur even more delays. Not ideal, but honestly Imperial City and Wrothgar should have been out already. Would be nice if ZOS gave us a status update on completing phase three of growing out of the VR system like they did with the preview of the Championship System at the guild summit last year, but they haven't given any sign of being ready, able, or willing to do so yet.

Tors · July 2015

This game costs nothing to play, how can you really have a go at them for trying to monitorise it?

Not that I think an increase in level comming in because of that.

2 Levels of VR will take a day to grind out, hardly a massive money spinner on exp scrolls.....

Garion · July 2015

To everyone defending this:

ARE YOU FORGETTING WE WERE TOLD THAT VET RANKS WOULD BE REMOVED AND THE GRIND WOULD BECOME BEARABLE?

Yeah.

brindemavieb16_ESO · July 2015

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I_killed_Vivec · July 2015

tinythinker wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Garethjolnir wrote: »

It is to be expected. Welcome to MMO's.

And therein lies the problem. Inherent to the vast majority of MMOs these days. One day, one day, a company will be brave enough to truly be different and break out of the mold.

The current bind for ZOS is that they are trying to release new content and remove VR at the same time. If they delay new content until VR is removed, well, we've seen how well big delays have gone over. If they release major new content without progression, some players will get bored or feel they aren't being rewarded.

It's a problem they created, so this isn't about sympathy, but if I had to decide I would go with new VR levels rather than incur even more delays. Not ideal, but honestly Imperial City and Wrothgar should have been out already. Would be nice if ZOS gave us a status update on completing phase three of growing out of the VR system like they did with the preview of the Championship System at the guild summit last year, but they haven't given any sign of being ready, able, or willing to do so yet.

The real bind is that they said new content would scale to player level - so that everyone has access to DLC (for obvious financial reasons).

How can you scale content? What convenient ranking mechanism would give you an easy way to scale?

And while you're at it, make it so you can scale gear, potions, food, the whole ESO experience using that same ranking...

Even better if such a ranking mechanism is already in the game.

Just why would they get rid of VR? And what could replace it? CP count?

Remember, while you're grinding out those CP you get VR for free!

2 new VR levels for new content is fine by me - even if I don't buy the DLC I'll still level up to VR16 as I continue on the CP grind...

xeneblaze · July 2015

The increase of level caps and the associated quest for new gear is staple mmorpg stuff. If you dont like it, play something else. Are you really saying thta

Armisael9 wrote: »

What the is going to happen to my gear I spent months farming and saving for upgrades. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THEM TO SCALE WITH THE PLAYER, AT LEAST THE UNDAUNTED MONSTER PLEDGE SETS?! I mean come on, this just straight up demotivating/ low/ discouraging/ frustrating. They said vet ranks was going away. HOURS OF TIME LOST ON CURRENT GEAR.

The increase of level caps and the associated quest for new gear is staple mmorpg stuff. If you don't like it, play something else. And surely you are not saying that you got all the way to VR14 and you only just discovered this concept?

Jules · July 2015

BrassRazoo wrote: »

This is good news. Been VR14 for too long and need something else to aim for.

Lol. "Need something else to aim for"
Seriously? ....Seriously??

HOW ABOUT, INSTEAD, ZOS aims for:

- a new trial more than once a year
- a lag free and balanced cyro
- and a partridge in a pear tree

Gidorick · July 2015

Garion wrote: »

To everyone defending this:

ARE YOU FORGETTING WE WERE TOLD THAT VET RANKS WOULD BE REMOVED AND THE GRIND WOULD BECOME BEARABLE?

Yeah.

Because ZOS isn't allowed to change their minds or plans?

lathbury · July 2015

Garion wrote: »

To everyone defending this:

ARE YOU FORGETTING WE WERE TOLD THAT VET RANKS WOULD BE REMOVED AND THE GRIND WOULD BECOME BEARABLE?

Yeah.

can you point me to the bit where they said that this is not their intention?

tinythinker · July 2015

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Garethjolnir wrote: »

It is to be expected. Welcome to MMO's.

And therein lies the problem. Inherent to the vast majority of MMOs these days. One day, one day, a company will be brave enough to truly be different and break out of the mold.

The current bind for ZOS is that they are trying to release new content and remove VR at the same time. If they delay new content until VR is removed, well, we've seen how well big delays have gone over. If they release major new content without progression, some players will get bored or feel they aren't being rewarded.

It's a problem they created, so this isn't about sympathy, but if I had to decide I would go with new VR levels rather than incur even more delays. Not ideal, but honestly Imperial City and Wrothgar should have been out already. Would be nice if ZOS gave us a status update on completing phase three of growing out of the VR system like they did with the preview of the Championship System at the guild summit last year, but they haven't given any sign of being ready, able, or willing to do so yet.

The real bind is that they said new content would scale to player level - so that everyone has access to DLC (for obvious financial reasons).

How can you scale content? What convenient ranking mechanism would give you an easy way to scale?

And while you're at it, make it so you can scale gear, potions, food, the whole ESO experience using that same ranking...

Even better if such a ranking mechanism is already in the game.

Just why would they get rid of VR? And what could replace it? CP count?

Remember, while you're grinding out those CP you get VR for free!

2 new VR levels for new content is fine by me - even if I don't buy the DLC I'll still level up to VR16 as I continue on the CP grind...

Yeah, I asked about this months ago. Haven't heard an answer. I suspect it is one reason why VR is still around. I don't mind VR but according "to everyone" (so say all the posts on the matter) I am in the minority. Not sure if it was Firor or Sage but I got an answer on Reddit once that level-gating would be a thing of the past. OK, maybe, but if so, I hope they at least have completion-gating for some content (you've completed the initial main quest, you've completed Cadwell's Silver, you've completed Cadwell's Gold). I doubt it if it's all going to be DLC. I've also asked if everything new would be DLC, no answer there either that I know of.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

brindemavieb16_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Remember when people would rejoice when they heard the level cap was going up? lol

Which was primarily due to the fact that there was content to play through and new exciting gear to acquire coming along with the cap raise. People are now forced to spend time in the same old places doing the same old stuff acquiring gear -- the same old gear, basically, only two VRs higher -- for the sole benefit of keeping up with eachother.

How do you know there will not be any new content with the increase?