Why. Why are you increasing Vet levels to v16.

Chaos_Deception

Pray tell, what will ZOS do to Reimburse Players that obtained Max Veteran Rank.

As much as those that want its removal. There are just as many that do not. This is a Double Edged Sword.

KingKush

Because they lack any original content so they increase level cap to give the illusion of more content rather than admit to recycling content.

Funkopotamus

KingKush wrote: »

Because they lack any original content so they increase level cap to give the illusion of more content rather than admit to recycling content.

Be carful man.. I just had a post removed..
Due to "Bashing the employees"

I am just frustrated to see things the way they are they DO NOT HAVE to be this way..

Mojmir

Funkopotamus wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Because they lack any original content so they increase level cap to give the illusion of more content rather than admit to recycling content.

Be carful man.. I just had a post removed..
Due to "Bashing the employees"

I am just frustrated to see things the way they are they DO NOT HAVE to be this way..

employees at my work get disciplined for not doing there jobs, we dont punish the customer for complaining

Waseem

wow people playing their first mmo.. well here is how it goes. new DLC= new quests, armors, weapons, dungeons and other stuff, and as we'll be getting, a new level cap. can you grind it? yes, its the fastest way to reach the last v rank (16),, do you must grind it? no. unless you are planning to reach v16 on day one.
did u know that the new quests gives exp? that your daily undaunted or actually anything you do around give some exp?
u sure do. enjoy. oh and psijic ambrossia? have a nice day

a.skelton92

Armisael9 wrote: »

What the is going to happen to my gear I spent months farming and saving for upgrades. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THEM TO SCALE WITH THE PLAYER, AT LEAST THE UNDAUNTED MONSTER PLEDGE SETS?! I mean come on, this just straight up demotivating/ low/ discouraging/ frustrating. They said vet ranks was going away. HOURS OF TIME LOST ON CURRENT GEAR.

Everyone is in the same boat. It is an MMO. The bar is constantly being raised and so it should be. People who actually play out of fun rather than just out of habit will welcome the opportunity to once again make some progression.

Funkopotamus

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Armisael9 wrote: »

What the is going to happen to my gear I spent months farming and saving for upgrades. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THEM TO SCALE WITH THE PLAYER, AT LEAST THE UNDAUNTED MONSTER PLEDGE SETS?! I mean come on, this just straight up demotivating/ low/ discouraging/ frustrating. They said vet ranks was going away. HOURS OF TIME LOST ON CURRENT GEAR.

Everyone is in the same boat. It is an MMO. The bar is constantly being raised and so it should be. People who actually play out of fun rather than just out of habit will welcome the opportunity to once again make some progression.

But how exactly is being thrown into another hamster wheel to grind a few points actually "FUN" ??
I could see if it were raised upon unlocking a new dungeon... Or we actually received a new land upon this release, but this "Raise" is just a slap in the face.

Basically they are telling us "Get out of here and go GRIND because we do not have any new content right now!"

Mojmir

Funkopotamus wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Armisael9 wrote: »

What the is going to happen to my gear I spent months farming and saving for upgrades. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THEM TO SCALE WITH THE PLAYER, AT LEAST THE UNDAUNTED MONSTER PLEDGE SETS?! I mean come on, this just straight up demotivating/ low/ discouraging/ frustrating. They said vet ranks was going away. HOURS OF TIME LOST ON CURRENT GEAR.

Everyone is in the same boat. It is an MMO. The bar is constantly being raised and so it should be. People who actually play out of fun rather than just out of habit will welcome the opportunity to once again make some progression.

But how exactly is being thrown into another hamster wheel to grind a few points actually "FUN" ??
I could see if it were raised upon unlocking a new dungeon... Or we actually received a new land upon this release, but this "Raise" is just a slap in the face.

Basically they are telling us "Get out of here and go GRIND because we do not have any new content right now!"

With all the experience, failures and successes mmos have in the past this shouldnt be that hard to figure out. Raising the cap isn't the problem,it's WHY they're doing it.2 lvls? Looking at the player base they should've raised it to 20-25 then ignore us for 6 months,maybe some bug patches to keep us somewhat hopeful.then there's the flaw of a gap between 15-16's numbers.150 resources for a small buff? if your gonna dangle a carrot make sure you washed it first. this whole update wreaks of lazyness and lack of future insight.
when orsinium comes out ill bet were into the 20's on vet ranks with no insight as to why they havent taken out the vet ranks yet, CP's will be out of control, but that crown store will be full of "regift's".

starkerealm

AngryNord wrote: »

Did you cry just as much when you hit level 10 in Skyrim and discovered that your level 3 gear was no longer as useful, too?

But, Skyrim doesn't use leveled gear... o.O

Mojmir

starkerealm wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Did you cry just as much when you hit level 10 in Skyrim and discovered that your level 3 gear was no longer as useful, too?

But, Skyrim doesn't use leveled gear... o.O

this isnt skyrim, but man if only players could mod the fixes to ESO

Paradox

notimetocare wrote: »

Armisael9 wrote: »

What the is going to happen to my gear I spent months farming and saving for upgrades. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THEM TO SCALE WITH THE PLAYER, AT LEAST THE UNDAUNTED MONSTER PLEDGE SETS?! I mean come on, this just straight up demotivating/ low/ discouraging/ frustrating. They said vet ranks was going away. HOURS OF TIME LOST ON CURRENT GEAR.

Is this your first MMORPG? I think it is. I am sorry you had to find out this way, but eventually you need new gear.

I'd agree, but this game's loot system is by far the worst of any MMO out there.

Personofsecrets

the same could be asked about anything that has been done which tons of people dislike.

JD2013

Why are people so against levelling?? You have to level to achieve things in about 97 percent of games!

And before people say "new levels come with new content . . . "

They are. They are coming with Imperial City. New. Content.

Mojmir

JD2013 wrote: »

Why are people so against levelling?? You have to level to achieve things in about 97 percent of games!

And before people say "new levels come with new content . . . "

They are. They are coming with Imperial City. New. Content.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2173190#Comment_2173190
yes new content

JD2013

Mojmir wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Why are people so against levelling?? You have to level to achieve things in about 97 percent of games!

And before people say "new levels come with new content . . . "

They are. They are coming with Imperial City. New. Content.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2173190#Comment_2173190
yes new content

Obviously they're changing the values of other sets. They are raising sets to V16 as well as new sets and drops and dungeons and Quests etc

Your point?

Muizer

My issue with how progression is arranged is that the content that comes with it does not cater to everyone. There's a whole slew of dropped gear you won't ever get your hands on if you don't like forced group content. I bet IC will have rewards that people who loathe PvP will never get their hands on.

So why don't they just make IC and Orsinium V14? That way there'll betop tier drops for everyone, questers, group PVE players and PvPers.

Mojmir

My point is, this is not what anyone asked for,drastic change is not good, same as easing the cap to 16 and requiring "special " resources for basic equipment, also what we didn't ask for.nothing wrong with leveling,just seems like a slap in the face for an error on the devs part.personally I don't mind leveling, that's a good thing,but don't tell me your going to do something,then pull a 360 on something I got comfortable with. Yes mmos change,but it doesn't /shouldn't have to be with so many penalties.

Mojmir

Muizer wrote: »

My issue with how progression is arranged is that the content that comes with it does not cater to everyone. There's a whole slew of dropped gear you won't ever get your hands on if you don't like forced group content. I bet IC will have rewards that people who loathe PvP will never get their hands on.

So why don't they just make IC and Orsinium V14? That way there'll betop tier drops for everyone, questers, group PVE players and PvPers.

apparently its so hard to put this into the patch notes too.

JD2013

Mojmir wrote: »

My point is, this is not what anyone asked for,drastic change is not good, same as easing the cap to 16 and requiring "special " resources for basic equipment, also what we didn't ask for.nothing wrong with leveling,just seems like a slap in the face for an error on the devs part.personally I don't mind leveling, that's a good thing,but don't tell me your going to do something,then pull a 360 on something I got comfortable with. Yes mmos change,but it doesn't /shouldn't have to be with so many penalties.

You require mats for gear anyway. Whatever gear that you craft. They've just added new crafting materials. We've been stuck on Void Cloth etc for a long while.

And really, when they take away vet levels what are we going to do then? Endlessly grind champion points? Thrilling.

Perhaps people have forgotten that a game shouldn't be about maxing. It's about the journey. Having the top tier gear has never bothered me in the slightest. I would much rather have levels to get to than endlessly grinding 3600 champion points. And believe you me, when people start grinding to the top champ rank, and they will, the amount of complaining about the champion system on these forums will get even worse than it has been already. Especially when they start adding the seasonal caps.

olsborg

I dare say the majority of the players didnt want an increase in veteran ranks, but what are you gonna do...ZOS clearly dont care.

Mojmir

JD2013 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

My point is, this is not what anyone asked for,drastic change is not good, same as easing the cap to 16 and requiring "special " resources for basic equipment, also what we didn't ask for.nothing wrong with leveling,just seems like a slap in the face for an error on the devs part.personally I don't mind leveling, that's a good thing,but don't tell me your going to do something,then pull a 360 on something I got comfortable with. Yes mmos change,but it doesn't /shouldn't have to be with so many penalties.

You require mats for gear anyway. Whatever gear that you craft. They've just added new crafting materials. We've been stuck on Void Cloth etc for a long while.

And really, when they take away vet levels what are we going to do then? Endlessly grind champion points? Thrilling.

Perhaps people have forgotten that a game shouldn't be about maxing. It's about the journey. Having the top tier gear has never bothered me in the slightest. I would much rather have levels to get to than endlessly grinding 3600 champion points. And believe you me, when people start grinding to the top champ rank, and they will, the amount of complaining about the champion system on these forums will get even worse than it has been already. Especially when they start adding the seasonal caps.

i wholehearted agree it shouldnt be grindy, thats why im hoping at some point they wake up and realize this doesnt have to be "just another mmo" if they did away with vr like they said, you and i would be having an entirely different conversation. with the champ points at least we each have our own way of customizing the character, whether we choose a cookie cutter build or not, 3600 points or 136 points. what theyre doing isnt going to slow the grinders down, its just another obstacle in the maze. the destination doesnt need to have all the hazards, it should be worth getting to. going into this we already know whats ahead, theres no guessing, theyre forcing the grind anyways.

Rune_Relic

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

To everyone defending this:

ARE YOU FORGETTING WE WERE TOLD THAT VET RANKS WOULD BE REMOVED AND THE GRIND WOULD BECOME BEARABLE?

Yeah.

can you point me to the bit where they said that this is not their intention?

LOL YEA ITS CALLED THEY JUST ADDED 2 MORE VET RANKS.

#learntomaths

They were pretty clear. While it is a long term goal to remove vet ranks they cannot let the game stagnate another year while they figure it out. So they added the two new vet ranks for a temporary "level increase" to go along with the new zones coming out. People like myself want new levels so we can get new gear etc. Otherwise its just a new zone with nothing to work for.

That's the mistake a lot of you are making, you don't the need extra levels to get new gear to "work" toward... Some people like myself just like to play the game after reaching a cap instead of constantly having to "work" over again and again.

Then maybe you should stick to single player RPGs. MMOs dont work like that. When I say work towards you know exactly what I mean. Earn more xp get higher level and get better gear. What MMO in the world never raises the level cap?

Those that use horizontal progression instead of vertical progression.

Rune_Relic

gjmgamesub17_ESO wrote: »

The "grind" as it is is not bad at all lol. I have gotten a vet level a day so far on console, and that's being slow about it. If i pushed i could easily get 2 maybe even 3.

Every game has some kind of grind (most have multiple kinds), that's the whole point of a game like this. Grind levels, then gear, get to the top, get bored, new content, repeat process.

It's a proven money making model that works great.

Don't fix it if it isn't broke.

Wrong. Its about never ending character progression.
And not in power but in versatility....new options..not more power.

You can choose to stay in your existing gear...or you can choose to swap things around and try the new (balanced) gear.
Options + choices...not compulsion + gates.

Valn

BrassRazoo wrote: »

This is good news. Been VR14 for too long and need something else to aim for.

New armor sets
New crafting recipes
New potions
New dungeons
New raids
New daily areas

There was no need to increase the levels imo

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

armor sets again(wow)

JamilaRaj

I am puzzled too. Veteran ranks were said to be removed and replaced with champion system, not kept around and increased (the cap). Though I think it would be best to remove both vet ranks and champion system a replace it with, say, w-ranks, or whale ranks. With P2W in full swing, it would be more accurate to measure one's power and progressin in how much money has he spent on the game, but it would work similarly: players with higher whale ranks would have better stats, access to better gear, even content could scale according to it, and there would be some icon next to a player's name, so cheaper players of lower whale rank would know who to avoid in PvP.

DaveMoeDee

My only issue with the raising cap is their plan to release new content every 3 or 4 months. This could mean additional VR levels a few times a year, unlike games that release large expansions and up the level cap only once.

While I like the increased cap for leveling, it seems a bit painful for gear due to the costs of refining new gear to make it gold.

The upside of continual level increases would be that there is less time spent wasting XP that doesn't count towards leveling.

neueregel

why why!! coulndt I just stay at 1 years old! I had to get to 2... then 3... omg! my cloths dont fit anymore after reaching 18! I have to have new goals as a 21 year old? Crap, mid life comes... I have to keep up with the Jones'...

Games are much like real life... things change, if not we would all be level 1's in RL and the game...

SkinnyDG

Lol! Guys it's really REALLY simple.... If you like the game, keep playing it. If you don't like the game, stop playing it. If you like the game but don't like the changes then STOP playing because no one is going to reprogram or recode eso for your self entitled ass. STFU and GTFO. This game will be better without you.

CidxLucy

So when they remove vet it will give you a nice number 65
v1 is lvl 50
v16 is lvl 65

would be funny if 63 was max lvl
v1 is lvl50
v14 lvl63

this is my opinion