Anyone else waiting for ESO To take the path of WoW (not become WoW 2)

Love_Daggerfall

Noomfy-Mop wrote: »

And when I say "go WoW on itself" I mean release DLC that introduces new races, new abilities, new questing areas AANND (most importantly ) increase the level cap by 10.
Personally I think several things on the matter

- if they're going to get rid of the VR system, like I keep reading that they will be, then level cap will naturally increase to make up for the "lost" lvls.

- unless they introduce the Daedra as a playable race then I'm not too sure how they can introduce more races. And if they DID introduce a new race they'd technically have to "kill them off", so to speak, before the oblivion series being that ESO is a prequel. Though I think playing as a deadra would be pretty awesome.

- what new area would the introduce? I know it's a huge place that I'll probably never see all of but they've already got all the regions of Tamriel. Where can they expand to.

From what I read and heard in oblivion and skyrim there's no lore or anything mentioning the discovery of new lands or races in the past (besides the ones already in game).
I'm really enjoying this game so far but am wondering how they'll keep us playing in 12 months or so time.. It seems to me that they've givin us everything right from the get go and have backed themselves into a corner when it comes to future expansion.

Thanks for explaning. I was thinking WoW was referance to World At Warcraft history.

Iluvrien

Fartman wrote: »

Exactly what I'm talking about in regards to responses from certain people on here. Going out of their way to be rude instead of being helpful. It'd be awesome if people actually spoke to one another as if they were standing right in front of them.... with some respect.

I don't think the responses you are getting are based on attempting to be rude as much as they are in surprise and mild shock that you seem to be arguing that there should be less Elder Scrolls lore in The Elder Scrolls Online.

Fartman

Iluvrien wrote: »

Fartman wrote: »

Exactly what I'm talking about in regards to responses from certain people on here. Going out of their way to be rude instead of being helpful. It'd be awesome if people actually spoke to one another as if they were standing right in front of them.... with some respect.

I don't think the responses you are getting are based on attempting to be rude as much as they are in surprise and mild shock that you seem to be arguing that there should be less Elder Scrolls lore in The Elder Scrolls Online.

I'm not arguing that there should be less lore at all... I'm saying that I can't imagine investing that much time in to a video game... and the only people who respond to a comment like that would be people who read through every quest, every lore book they pick up, and probably everything they read online. Most people do not do that. Most are like me, who would not know the difference if there should or shouldn't be dragons in this game because the timeline only says there's like 4 alive and they live somewhere else on some island or something... THAT is what I'm saying. They are RUDE responses, and this wasn't the first time. I think some people just don't have the social skills that others do, so they don't know how to answer questions or respond to questions in a fair, reasonable way. If someone says something you think is "stupid", does it really matter? Is it really your job to correct them in a rude way? It's hard when this game reaches so many age groups, and me being older, don't have the time, nor the desire to learn everything in this World to ask questions according to the lore experts, in the correct way.

AngryNord

Jared_lindsey86_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Jared_lindsey86_ESO wrote: »

Potential playable races:

Possibly.
Snow elves for the DC
Imga for the Dominion
Lilmothitt for the pact

The only two remaining Snow Elves live in an underground cave complex in Skyrim. I'm kinda baffled as to how you'll find them 1) possible as a playable race and 2) a part of DC

Actually hundreds of Snow Elves survived in the chantry of Auri-el until a raid by The Betrayed (the blind Falmer) killed all save two. If there is one pocket of existence there could be others.

They would be with the DC because of geography and lore. Snow elves lived in the North and its possible that a settlement survives in the Wrothgarian mountains. I think they would be more likely to side with the Manmer and Orsimer than with the Nords. then again unlikely alliances seem to be common at this time.

Completely uunreal to have them roam all over Tamriel.

OtarTheMad

The_Sadist wrote: »

Stories-Bones-Tell wrote: »

Playable falamer please

If they do allow Falmer as a playable race the screen should be entirely black, because you know, blind and all.

Think he meant Snow Elf not Falmer. Like this:

jircris11

AngryNord wrote: »

Jared_lindsey86_ESO wrote: »

Potential playable races:

Possibly.
Snow elves for the DC
Imga for the Dominion
Lilmothitt for the pact

The only two remaining Snow Elves live in an underground cave complex in Skyrim. I'm kinda baffled as to how you'll find them 1) possible as a playable race and 2) a part of DC

This game is WAAAAAAAAAY before skyrim so it is more plausible to find snow elves though unlikely.

FancyTuna8

AngryNord wrote: »

Completely uunreal to have them roam all over Tamriel.

I agree, but then again we are all in a dichotomy of playing with a bunch of people, and at the same time each one of us are the center of our own universe. You would just be locking on to that latter side of things if you made a snow elf. It could be done, like I mentioned previously, where you have to keep your race secret and are not part of a faction. Trying to hide in plain sight, passing off as another race. ESO could have some very unique gameplay style for snow elf players.

Psychobunni

@Noomfy-Mop Yes, I have been waiting for ESO to go MMO on itself.

I will say this, there is A LOT they don't put in patch notes and unless you re-roll from scratch 6month, a year later....you wouldnt even know the changes they have made.

FancyTuna8

Fartman wrote: »

I'm not arguing that there should be less lore at all... I'm saying that I can't imagine investing that much time in to a video game... and the only people who respond to a comment like that would be people who read through every quest, every lore book they pick up, and probably everything they read online. Most people do not do that. Most are like me, who would not know the difference if there should or shouldn't be dragons in this game because the timeline only says there's like 4 alive and they live somewhere else on some island or something... THAT is what I'm saying. They are RUDE responses, and this wasn't the first time. I think some people just don't have the social skills that others do, so they don't know how to answer questions or respond to questions in a fair, reasonable way. If someone says something you think is "stupid", does it really matter?

I think you should read your first post in this thread. It sounds a bit rude, or at least passive-aggressive, and if you do think other people know "too much" about this game, does it really matter?

As far as investing time in a video game, there are plenty of people, like yourself, who don't absorb much of the story/lore of the game, but play it a very large amount of time. You could find a player who has 500+ hours of pvp in this game, doesn't know the story at all, and another player who has played exactly the same amount but has spent about 5 hours reading up on the history and background of the game, read all of the lore books, etc., and knows a lot about this game world. That second player has put 1% extra time into this game, and is probably 1/2 a champion point or less behind the previous player.

I think some who responded to your post were rude or flippant, but then again you are on the forum for an elder scrolls game and basically said "what does the story of this game world even matter?" It was pretty likely to get a response.

Gidorick

olemanwinter wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Release 2 year

2 per year you mean?

That seems hilariously optimistic with this company. I think instead of 13 years....it would take more like 39 years at the rate they are going.

Or more likely, the game won't even last long enough to introduce those zones.

lol. yea. Sorry. 2 per year. While I agree that's optimistic, if they can't have 2 releases a year, ESO is doomed.

The_Sadist

OtarTheMad wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Stories-Bones-Tell wrote: »

Playable falamer please

If they do allow Falmer as a playable race the screen should be entirely black, because you know, blind and all.

Think he meant Snow Elf not Falmer. Like this:

I"m very much aware of what he meant, but a majority of the Snow Elves have devolved into the Falmer or have bred with other races and are no longer considered Snow Elves, so either way the answer is still 'lore breaking and therefore no'.

Noomfy-Mop

so I keep reading the words "lore breaking"..
And as much as I agree. If something doesn't fit into the universe of the game it shouldn't be there.

But If ZOS really... REALLY wanted to they could simply take the terminator stance on the subject and be all "the future is unwritten" and/or "the future is what we make of it" and introduce what ever they want.

I don't think they will because they understand the fan base and realise that such a move would be a shot in the foot (if not the head).

Just to be clear I don't think that they should introduce such a stance it was merely something that popped into my head while reading through this thread. Although I still think it'd be cool to play as a Daedra

k9mouse

I *NEED* a reason to do stuff in a game. The reason is called lore. I do not like FPS type games because I have no reason to go around kill stuff -- just mindless actions. In RPG games, I have a reason to be a hero or do a quest. Also, lore gives history to make the world feel more real besides giving a framework why stuff works in the way it does and other stuff does not work in the game world. Lore is King (or Queen )!

Shadesofkin

No additional races. That's a terrible idea, just absolutely terrible.

No, I don't expect it to go the way of WoW (or any other major MMORPG) when it comes to the things they release in DLC/Xpacks.

I expect the following: Quests, Zones, and storylines; maybe (maybe) classes; Dungeons.

Aett_Thorn

The problem with setting ESO before the other games in the series is that it does limit a bit of what you can do. If you let players go with these rarer races that are extinct later in the series, you kind of need to explain what happens.

As such, I think that the most likely scenario is that we'll get sub-races of the ones that we have. Different types of khajiit and argonians, for instance. Or the Forsworn/barbaric Breton types. Maybe a sub-race of Redguards from the more interior of the desert who are more nomadic. Wood orcs or Vardenfell Dunmer. High elves from the other Summerset islands, or maybe even a sub-race of Imperials that have made pacts with various Daedric princes.

I am betting that we see more of that than new other races as playable.

Ffastyl

@Aett_Thorn , that begs the idea of racial classes. Such as Forsworn for Bretons, nomads for Redguards, Shamans for Argonians, Necromancers for Dunmer, Soldier for Imperial, etc.

In regards to the timeline, this particular period has almost no history in it. It is largely blank on Tamriel's timeline. Which makes it a good setting for an Elder Scrolls game set in the past -- there is more room for creative freedom. Certain races may or may not be extinct by this time, so additional races to the standard 10 could be added. Alternatively the current races could be subdivided into sub-races and cultural divisions (i.e. the Crowns and Forebears for the Redguards).

While events that have transpired cannot be changed [with ease], there are many unrecorded events to invent for ESO.
As ZOS's own loremaster said, the gods can change the past, present, and future, with the only certainty being your own existence.

wafcatb14_ESO

Nope I`m waiting for one of these games to launch.


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ATM land of britan, shroud, and unchained show the most promise.

Gidorick

wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »

ATM land of britan, shroud, and unchained show the most promise.

But none of them are set on Nirn.

Sausage

Why did u rename the title to troll topic? Feel like trolling?

Arato

Noomfy-Mop wrote: »

And when I say "take the path of WoW" I mean release DLC that introduces new races, new abilities, new questing areas AANND (most importantly ) increase the level cap by 10.
Personally I think several things on the matter

- if they're going to get rid of the VR system, like I keep reading that they will be, then level cap will naturally increase to make up for the "lost" lvls.

- unless they introduce the Daedra as a playable race then I'm not too sure how they can introduce more races. And if they DID introduce a new race they'd technically have to "kill them off", so to speak, before the oblivion series being that ESO is a prequel. Though I think playing as a deadra would be pretty awesome.

- what new area would the introduce? I know it's a huge place that I'll probably never see all of but they've already got all the regions of Tamriel. Where can they expand to.

From what I read and heard in oblivion and skyrim there's no lore or anything mentioning the discovery of new lands or races in the past (besides the ones already in game).
I'm really enjoying this game so far but am wondering how they'll keep us playing in 12 months or so time.. It seems to me that they've givin us everything right from the get go and have backed themselves into a corner when it comes to future expansion.

absolutely not. Enough MMO's go the level cap increase route as it is, too many.

Champion Points provide continued progression as it is.

Zorrashi

No to new races. Despite the existence of certain races (i.e Snow Elves, Krothringi), they only exist in small pockets and likely have little to no legitimate reason to dedicate themselves to one faction or even participate in the three banners war at all. I mean, sure, you can bend the lore, but there is only so much you can bend before it becomes ridiculous. Like adding dragon all over the place like in Skyrim.
Bending lore is acceptable and even healthy for an MMO, but adding more player races just for the sake of it seems shoddy at best. While ESO should not maintain premade lore with an iron fist, it should be respected (and it is).

But new abilities and new areas? Well yeah we all want them. We have the entirety of the surface of Tamriel and its underground (Blackreach anyone?). More skill lines can be made, and current ones can be expanded (by more morphs I imagine).

Increasing the level cap is also a possibility, but I personally think it should be lvl50 and done as far as leveling is concerned. We have the champion system so the basis of a horizontal progression system is already in place. They can even add onto the champion system if they so wish, or add yet another horizontal system.

The_Sadist

Noomfy-Mop wrote: »

so I keep reading the words "lore breaking"..
And as much as I agree. If something doesn't fit into the universe of the game it shouldn't be there.

But If ZOS really... REALLY wanted to they could simply take the terminator stance on the subject and be all "the future is unwritten" and/or "the future is what we make of it" and introduce what ever they want.

I don't think they will because they understand the fan base and realise that such a move would be a shot in the foot (if not the head).

Just to be clear I don't think that they should introduce such a stance it was merely something that popped into my head while reading through this thread. Although I still think it'd be cool to play as a Daedra

ESO is founded on lore and I'm playing the game because I loved prior games and the associated lore. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for new ideas and whatnot, but things beyond the realm of possibility are just an instant no from me.

Yes and no, given ESO is set before certain games which already has pre-written lore. So creating a lot of Snow Elves doesn't make sense as they have all but vanished. Likewise, the Dwemer have been gone for ages now, it makes no sense that they'd appear briefly only to vanish again.

Indeed, there's no reason to mess up an already good system, but who knows with ZeniMax!

Well it would cool, I don't see Daedra happening at all. The current races are fine, expansions are where it's at. I'd honestly be surprised if they do end up implementing more races, as in prior games it has always been the same selection of races.

dlepi24

I'm not going to bother to read 3 pages worth of comments, but aren't there several races in TES lore that haven't even been introduced in the games? Why couldn't they add one of those in?

GreySix

Whatever happened to the lizard men in the original TES game?



Are those the modern Argonians?

MrGhosty

Gidorick wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

i don't see anymore playable races being added seeing how all the ones from past TES games are here already. I could see new maps and such, no lvl increase maybe some new armors and crafts though.

I would LOVE to see other playable races. I think if ESO lasts long enough we will see some added. More specifically though, I would like to see variations in the races that we have. Both Khajiit and Argonian are WAY underrepresented in ESO (and Elder Scrolls as a whole.) I have made threads about these two beast races here:

• http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147221/concept-for-a-future-argonian-centric-update
• http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/141710/suggestions-for-an-eventual-khajiit-centric-update/p1

Orcs could have additional options also to encompass the Wood, Iron, and Tribal Orc racial differences.

Lol, it's like you have a search feature setup to autoscan for threads that relate to your Gidorick. Keep banging that drum brother!

to the OP,

Plenty of places to take the game before it's "tapped out". Whether they go there or not is still up for debate but they've already shown us working/in progress areas that they'll take their time.

Don't forget there is still stuff like housing, arenas, spellcrafting, jewelry crafting, factions, etc to mine for new content as well. I don't look for anything ground breaking to be added anytime soon though. As for lvl cap raise? no. Just. No. With XP now tied directly to CP there are very few ways to good amounts of XP and the thought of slogging through even more silly barriers is just a bit no in my eyes. I don't expect that will happen anytime soon either as they've already said that the new zones they release will essentially level you up to a max amount so that people can play the new content in any order they please (like cyrodiil)

Noomfy-Mop

@Sausage

No actually. But here's 10 points for reaching a false assumption based on who knows what information.

I changed the title because it was brought to my attention that the previous title made it seem like I was trying to compare ESO to WoW and a lot of people weren't reading the actual post based on that assumption and were making posts that didn't really relate to what I was asking. Also thanks for not contributing to the discussion AT ALL!!!

As for everyone else this thread took off more than I thought it would and I thank you all for your input.

What I'm reading is that generally increasing lvl cap is unpopular.
Introducing new playable races is doable but a bit of a stretch and kind of limited to a small handful of races.
New abilities seem to be an idea that wasn't met with an "oh god no" reaction.
If you ask me this has been a good discussion so far with plenty of views and opinions and I thank everyone again for sharing theirs.
I do realise it's early days for the game. Especially on console (even more so in Aus) so a lot of this is mere speculation and more "fishing" for what other people think should be the future of ESO as opposed to demanding what I want and telling ZOS how to do their job.
Thanks again everyone....
Except sausage lol