Fragment Ratio from provisioning discovery thread

UrQuan

Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »

How some players were already selling the Potions on Tuesday, i am just amazed.

They didn't do it alone, I can guarantee you that. There will have been 2 types of people who got the entire recipe and started selling the drink that fast:

• Those willing to pay whatever price was needed to buy all of the fragments ASAP so they could be first to market with the drink and make money gouging those who would pay any price to get a head start by using the XP pots early.
• Those who are dedicated crafters for their guilds, who had an entire guild worth of people doing writs and funneling fragments to them so that they would then be able to keep the guild supplied with XP pots.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was overlap between those groups too.

Faugaun

UrQuan wrote: »

Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »

How some players were already selling the Potions on Tuesday, i am just amazed.

They didn't do it alone, I can guarantee you that. There will have been 2 types of people who got the entire recipe and started selling the drink that fast:

• Those willing to pay whatever price was needed to buy all of the fragments ASAP so they could be first to market with the drink and make money gouging those who would pay any price to get a head start by using the XP pots early.
• Those who are dedicated crafters for their guilds, who had an entire guild worth of people doing writs and funneling fragments to them so that they would then be able to keep the guild supplied with XP pots.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was overlap between those groups too.

or those that paid attention and had 50 bags ready to turn in?

SnipingYetii

Faugaun wrote: »

or those that paid attention and had 50 bags ready to turn in?

Were bags/fish retroactive? I thought it was only bags earned / fish caught after the update.

Surfinginhawaii

I just started doing this and have done 6 max level writs and have no fragments.

Faugaun

10 more writs 0 frags of these 4 were belkarth sacks

helediron

12 more max level writs, zero frags.
Total 24 writs, 1 frag.

Jofish

K, well still no frags...not judging but here's what I have

Monday---

2writs lvl2, deshaan: 2 writs lvl3, shadowfen: 1 writ lvl4 on a 6/6, Eastmarch: 1 writ lvl6 on a 6/6, Craglorn = 0

So let's up it a bit..

Tuesday thru Saturday---

1 writ lvl1, Davon's watch; 1 writ lvl2, deshaan: 1 writ lvl3, shadowfen: 1 writ lvl4 on a 6/6, Eastmarch: 4 lvl6 each at 6/6, Craglorn. = 0

so total of 46 writs; 21 on 6/6 craglorns and 6 on 6/6 Eastmarch...

I can't believe I even stay up for this... ;D

Nebthet78

9 Craglorn writs.. 0 frags

Casdha

UrQuan wrote: »

Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »

How some players were already selling the Potions on Tuesday, i am just amazed.

They didn't do it alone, I can guarantee you that. There will have been 2 types of people who got the entire recipe and started selling the drink that fast:

• Those willing to pay whatever price was needed to buy all of the fragments ASAP so they could be first to market with the drink and make money gouging those who would pay any price to get a head start by using the XP pots early.
• Those who are dedicated crafters for their guilds, who had an entire guild worth of people doing writs and funneling fragments to them so that they would then be able to keep the guild supplied with XP pots.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was overlap between those groups too.

Full 500 member hard corp guilds would have been hard pressed getting one crafter these writs in a single day and that is assuming that all had level 50 crafters which I highly doubt.

I think the more reasonable and logical answer is that a lot of the day one fragments came from the players who "will never reveal themselves".

edit: p.s. Still no writs here, 3 level 50 provisioning crafters. That is 15 writs but one of my crafters was low level on the first day.

Xendyn

Another day
5 more writs
another big fat 0

Total of 25 writs/0 fragments so far

Pangnirtung

Another day. 2 level 50 Craglorn crafters and not a single writ since the introduction.

At this rate how many months will it take to be able to make the potion? The drop rate of the fragments seems seriously sporked.

Rosveen

Casdha wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »

How some players were already selling the Potions on Tuesday, i am just amazed.

They didn't do it alone, I can guarantee you that. There will have been 2 types of people who got the entire recipe and started selling the drink that fast:

• Those willing to pay whatever price was needed to buy all of the fragments ASAP so they could be first to market with the drink and make money gouging those who would pay any price to get a head start by using the XP pots early.
• Those who are dedicated crafters for their guilds, who had an entire guild worth of people doing writs and funneling fragments to them so that they would then be able to keep the guild supplied with XP pots.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was overlap between those groups too.

Full 500 member hard corp guilds would have been hard pressed getting one crafter these writs in a single day and that is assuming that all had level 50 crafters which I highly doubt.

I think the more reasonable and logical answer is that a lot of the day one fragments came from the players who "will never reveal themselves".

edit: p.s. Still no writs here, 3 level 50 provisioning crafters. That is 15 writs but one of my crafters was low level on the first day.

I suspect people started saving up writ reward boxes the day we found out about Psijic Ambrosia and mass-opened them when it was introduced.

neueregel

Am I doing something wrong? I have all 8 players maxed at 50 provisioning... each also is maxed of 4/4 quality and 6/6 improvement. i have done the provisioning writ every day since patch, so 48 writs... NOT ONE RECIPE PIECE!

Alphashado

neueregel wrote: »

Am I doing something wrong? I have all 8 players maxed at 50 provisioning... each also is maxed of 4/4 quality and 6/6 improvement. i have done the provisioning writ every day since patch, so 48 writs... NOT ONE RECIPE PIECE!

Wow, that must be depressing. I thought I was doing bad at 0/18 as of this morning.

neueregel

Alphashado wrote: »

neueregel wrote: »

Am I doing something wrong? I have all 8 players maxed at 50 provisioning... each also is maxed of 4/4 quality and 6/6 improvement. i have done the provisioning writ every day since patch, so 48 writs... NOT ONE RECIPE PIECE!

Wow, that must be depressing. I thought I was doing bad at 0/18 as of this morning.

Yes, is ridiculous.

Casdha

If folks are getting a higher drop rate of these fragments by not being maxed out with skill points and/or level in provisioning then I would consider this either a bug, or extremely sorry on ZOS's part.

Note: If true, nothing against the folks who have gotten one this way, its not your fault.

Pangnirtung

neueregel wrote: »

Am I doing something wrong? I have all 8 players maxed at 50 provisioning... each also is maxed of 4/4 quality and 6/6 improvement. i have done the provisioning writ every day since patch, so 48 writs... NOT ONE RECIPE PIECE!

You're not doing anything wrong. My suspicion is that they are supposed to be so difficult to get that you give up and buy them from the Crown Store. Am I wrong because the drop rate seems to be insanely low and at this rate it might take a year before you are able to create the potion?

Grapdjan

I did 9 craglorn writs, 1 fragment. EP.

Also about 10 skill 50 but low level alik ones, no fragment.

Woolenthreads

MissBizz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I'm now up to 20 provisioning writs, 2 fragments.

I am now jealous. With 0 fragments.

I only qualify for one with Recipe Improvement at 6 while all of my characters are spread across the levels. The only one I might bring up is doing R.I.5 Writs, so I feel like you, MB, jealous of Ur-quan, in this instance. Considering how good RNG is to me in general though I just shrug my shoulders . Hail LWH!

#edit: Oops forgot 3 R.I.6 Writs finished with no result.

Also you might want to consider averaging 3 different characters who have gotten ten fragments each for your median value.

Rivan12

0 fer 28 since I started counting.

But, kinda glad they are rare...seems as they should be.

Faugaun

4 more crag turn in and 1 non crag 0 frag

UrQuan

Woolenthreads wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I'm now up to 20 provisioning writs, 2 fragments.

I am now jealous. With 0 fragments.

T only qualify for one with Recipe Improvement at 6 while all of my characters are spread across the levels. The only one I might bring up is doing R.I.5 Writs, so I feel like you, MB, jealous of Ur-quan, in this instance. Considering how good RNG is to me in general though I just shrug my shoulders . Hail LWH!

#edit: Oops forgot 3 R.I.6 Writs finished with no result.

Also you might want to consider averaging 3 different characters who have gotten ten fragments each for your median value.

Oh, and for the record, once I've got the entire recipe, I'll happily craft the drink for you @Woolenthreads or any other guildies who want it, as long as you provide the mats for it. But please don't send me any mats for that until I do have the entire recipe

Jofish

k, just finished my 25th 6/6 craglorn writ and my 7th 6/6 Eastmarch and would like to say that I received my first frag... I'd like to but I'd be lying through my teeth....;D

Well, there's always November...

Casdha

18 and still nothing.

gwillard_ESO

18:2

pdebie64b16_ESO

28 writs, 3 frags.

smacx250

5 (max-level) writs, 1 frag

Faugaun

Well so it seems that unless you have 8 vr toons, with 50 in provisioning at 6/6 and 4/4 then you will not likely get a full set for a long time. Even with 8 vr toons like above you might be talking only a less than 5% chance. At 5% it would take 8 toon 3 days per frag ...if only one toon then 20 days per frag. If a brand new player on PC you don't have the money to buy these and you just get further and further behind. While others get the exp and the profits from selling....

I've not done the math but just eyeballing 1/20 seems a ballpark guess.

I_killed_Vivec

I'd like to start a new conspiracy theory

Since the introduction of fragments, not only have I received no fragments but all of my level 6 writs have returned only common ingredients and green recipes.

Casdha

Faugaun wrote: »

Well so it seems that unless you have 8 vr toons, with 50 in provisioning at 6/6 and 4/4 then you will not likely get a full set for a long time. Even with 8 vr toons like above you might be talking only a less than 5% chance. At 5% it would take 8 toon 3 days per frag ...if only one toon then 20 days per frag. If a brand new player on PC you don't have the money to buy these and you just get further and further behind. While others get the exp and the profits from selling....

I've not done the math but just eyeballing 1/20 seems a ballpark guess.

That's not true. You have to be a level 50 crafter for the best chance, but the best chance don't come with 4/4, proof is in the following post as well as others I've read.

UrQuan wrote: »

All 3 of the fragments I got were on characters who aren't capable of crafting blue or purple recipes. The only character I have who has put any points into that is my main provisioner, and she hasn't received a fragment yet.