Better looking armor?

Mumnoch

So is ESO's stance going to be to bury/lock every thread asking for better looking armor for female avatars? There are a few vocal fanboy's who are ruining this forum by bashing anyone with a different opinion than theirs.

This game has some great content/potential but a lot of us isn't going to stare at ugly "habit wearing" avatar's all day to play it. Costume's are not the answer either as it's a all or nothing and you can't dye it.

Get back to the TES lore this game was "built" on. Give the masses option's instead of prudish ugly armor for females, heroic sexy armor for males!


Disclaimer:

This is a fantasy based game, "realism" post's don't hold in a fantasy based game with demon's and magic.
This is a TES game. This is the only game set in the TES universe that has been this strongly biased against female avatars.
This isn't a post asking for all armor to be converted. This is a post asking (justified imo) for better looking options for both views (repressed/non-repressed)
This is a post that would improve replay ability in a game with very little replay ability (we need a wardrobe tab but 1 thing at a time)
This post welcomes debate, but keep it civil and keep it on point. Please don't "shout" down people just because you can't stand to see females in anything but fully clothed gear.

Cody

well the level 1-14 argonian light armor lets one see cleavage:D As a guy, I will admit I enjoy that. lol

there goes my Quagmire side.

In all honestly. As long as I can see my characters face i do not care what else shows based on what they ware.

and if people cant handle the kind of clothing which you are asking for, then they need to play a different game. this is an M rated game, it is SUPPOSED to have this kind of content in it. Call me perverted or whatever, but its the truth.

now to sit back and watch the forum drama....

Bloodfang

And where exactly was sexy armor in tes lore? You're mistaking this series with either skyrim mods or with entirely other games.

PKMN12

Bloodfang wrote: »

And where exactly was sexy armor in tes lore? You're mistaking this series with either skyrim mods or with entirely other games.

Almexia's armor, Fur armor, Nocturnal's dress, and A LOT of stuff from Arena and Daggerfall, and even more besides

in-game, there are SEVERAL examples, just take a look at random NPCs

Bloodfang

PKMN12 wrote: »

Bloodfang wrote: »

And where exactly was sexy armor in tes lore? You're mistaking this series with either skyrim mods or with entirely other games.

Almexia's armor, Fur armor, Nocturnal's dress, and A LOT of stuff from Arena and Daggerfall, and even more besides

in-game, there are SEVERAL examples, just take a look at random NPCs

Actually there is only very little evidence of such armors in tes lore. And even these don't really look that "sexy" lol..You should know what I mean..The general rule is that skimpy armor is very TES Lore-Unfriendly. I don't really care if they make female armor more sexy, but I don't want to see some ridiculous armor ingame. For example anything like this would be a great insult to TES Lore: http://pixelheals.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/dark-lilith-front.jpg


I suppose this is passable: http://static-8.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/4275-1-1324480654.jpg

PKMN12

Bloodfang wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Bloodfang wrote: »

And where exactly was sexy armor in tes lore? You're mistaking this series with either skyrim mods or with entirely other games.

Almexia's armor, Fur armor, Nocturnal's dress, and A LOT of stuff from Arena and Daggerfall, and even more besides

in-game, there are SEVERAL examples, just take a look at random NPCs

Actually there is only very little evidence of such armors in tes lore. And even these don't really look that "sexy" lol..You should know what I mean..The general rule is that skimpy armor is very TES Lore-Unfriendly. I don't really care if they make female armor more sexy, but I don't want to see some ridiculous armor ingame. For example anything like this would be a great insult to TES Lore: http://pixelheals.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/dark-lilith-front.jpg


I suppose this is passable: http://static-8.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/4275-1-1324480654.jpg

um, i just gave you INGAME examples of skimpy armors from throughout TES games, sorry, but that means they are lore friendly. Almexia LITERALLY wears an armored bikini, the Fur armor is a Fur bikini in some of its forms. Norcturnal's dress does not hide anything down the middle of the torso and has massive sideboob

Now, do i WANT bikini armors or anything? no, not at all, Women can look sexy in full, heavy armor or robes, VERY easily, but to say that there is NO examples in TES of Skimpy, impractical female armors is hilarious

MercyKilling

Y'know...cosmetic modding (kinda like what's been in every elder scrolls game since Morrowind) would simply solve all this debate about ugly armors and costumes. Oh, weaponry, too.

It would also free up the art department to be able to work on other things, like environments for NEW CONTENT. There are some very talented modders out there that I'm sure are just foaming at the mouth to be able to exercise their creativity on this game, and I really think Zenimax should take advantage of that fact.

And no, not every modder will put up "skimpy" or "sexy" armors, but rather put up improved versions of what's already there.

Take most gauntlets(heavy), for example. There's fur underneath, but it's so flat....it looks painted on. Guaranteed a modder could make it look more realistic. I just recently got a look at what appears to be the Forsaken armors, and they're godawful.

It's hard to fathom this fact when the environments look so......great. Sunlight dappling through trees...the water actually looks like water does when it's flowing downstream. It's a beautiful world that we all walk through...but we are consigned to wearing flat armor that's painted on the models.

JUST SAY NO TO FLAT ARMOR. Let the modding community improve upon your product and make everyone happier. Please, Zenimax?

Mettaricana

Bloodfang wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Bloodfang wrote: »

And where exactly was sexy armor in tes lore? You're mistaking this series with either skyrim mods or with entirely other games.

Almexia's armor, Fur armor, Nocturnal's dress, and A LOT of stuff from Arena and Daggerfall, and even more besides

in-game, there are SEVERAL examples, just take a look at random NPCs

Actually there is only very little evidence of such armors in tes lore. And even these don't really look that "sexy" lol..You should know what I mean..The general rule is that skimpy armor is very TES Lore-Unfriendly. I don't really care if they make female armor more sexy, but I don't want to see some ridiculous armor ingame. For example anything like this would be a great insult to TES Lore: http://pixelheals.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/dark-lilith-front.jpg


I suppose this is passable: http://static-8.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/4275-1-1324480654.jpg

im not hoping for that but more armor along the dark seducer golden saint and some belly and cleavage would not kill the game. i mean even as a sorc i'd like a little bit more skin rather than wearing mittens on my tonsils seriously what is 14 layers of cloth gonna protect other than my chastity im dead either way when i get hit with a sword may as well look better getting killed lol and medium armor could stand to be a bit more revealing i mean if its all about stealth how much protection do i really need. if players wanna cover up wear heavy there cleavage and belly wiggle room for light and medium.

Bloodfang

PKMN12 wrote: »

Bloodfang wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Bloodfang wrote: »

And where exactly was sexy armor in tes lore? You're mistaking this series with either skyrim mods or with entirely other games.

Almexia's armor, Fur armor, Nocturnal's dress, and A LOT of stuff from Arena and Daggerfall, and even more besides

in-game, there are SEVERAL examples, just take a look at random NPCs

Actually there is only very little evidence of such armors in tes lore. And even these don't really look that "sexy" lol..You should know what I mean..The general rule is that skimpy armor is very TES Lore-Unfriendly. I don't really care if they make female armor more sexy, but I don't want to see some ridiculous armor ingame. For example anything like this would be a great insult to TES Lore: http://pixelheals.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/dark-lilith-front.jpg


I suppose this is passable: http://static-8.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/4275-1-1324480654.jpg

um, i just gave you INGAME examples of skimpy armors from throughout TES games, sorry, but that means they are lore friendly. Almexia LITERALLY wears an armored bikini, the Fur armor is a Fur bikini in some of its forms. Norcturnal's dress does not hide anything down the middle of the torso and has massive sideboob

Now, do i WANT bikini armors or anything? no, not at all, Women can look sexy in full, heavy armor or robes, VERY easily, but to say that there is NO examples in TES of Skimpy, impractical female armors is hilarious

Go on any TES Lore Forum you want and try to claim Skimpy Armor is Lore-Friendly. I'd like to see that. Sadly I don't have the time to bother with this.

PKMN12

MercyKilling wrote: »

Y'know...cosmetic modding (kinda like what's been in every elder scrolls game since Morrowind) would simply solve all this debate about ugly armors and costumes. Oh, weaponry, too.

It would also free up the art department to be able to work on other things, like environments for NEW CONTENT. There are some very talented modders out there that I'm sure are just foaming at the mouth to be able to exercise their creativity on this game, and I really think Zenimax should take advantage of that fact.

And no, not every modder will put up "skimpy" or "sexy" armors, but rather put up improved versions of what's already there.

Take most gauntlets(heavy), for example. There's fur underneath, but it's so flat....it looks painted on. Guaranteed a modder could make it look more realistic. I just recently got a look at what appears to be the Forsaken armors, and they're godawful.

It's hard to fathom this fact when the environments look so......great. Sunlight dappling through trees...the water actually looks like water does when it's flowing downstream. It's a beautiful world that we all walk through...but we are consigned to wearing flat armor that's painted on the models.

JUST SAY NO TO FLAT ARMOR. Let the modding community improve upon your product and make everyone happier. Please, Zenimax?

because Cosmetic modding is SO incredibly abusable in MMOs, there is a VERY good reason it is not in game.

TheShadowScout

The threads keep getting locked because people.

Mumnoch wrote: »

This is a fantasy based game, "realism" post's don't hold in a fantasy based game with demon's and magic.

Citing "fantasy" is no reason to throw realism out of the window and introduce bladeproof nudity. The setting within itself has to make sense within the constraints of its logic, and wearing something tough to keep the metal pointy ends of the things in your enemies hands away from the red stuff in your veins is logical in most backgrounds.

That stated, I wish they'd take it a bit further, and divide costumes into two kinds - combat costumes that stay during fighting (the armor sets), and roleplaying-support costumes that become unequipped as soon as you get hit (like, say, wedding dresses...) - but I guess that's just me longing for more realism on the costume front...

Mumnoch wrote: »

This is a TES game. This is the only game set in the TES universe that has been this strongly biased against female avatars.

I wouldn't say that, a lot of the armors in other TES games I recall were all of the boring "realistic" kind too. Maybe not back in Daggerfall, but morrowind and up, things got more realistic looking over time.
Of course... there also have been other armor styles...

Mumnoch wrote: »

This isn't a post asking for all armor to be converted. This is a post asking (justified imo) for better looking options for both views (repressed/non-repressed)

Now here we come to an accord. I am all for more options, many more options!

Mumnoch wrote: »

This is a post that would improve replay ability in a game with very little replay ability (we need a wardrobe tab but 1 thing at a time)

I'd be happy if they replaces all disguises with the same visuals as costumes-on-tab after completion of the accompaning quest, since I like to keep the looks, and they do clog up a characters inventory somewhat...

Mumnoch wrote: »

This post welcomes debate, but keep it civil and keep it on point. Please don't "shout" down people just because you can't stand to see females in anything but fully clothed gear.

Good idea to keep this one staying un-locked!

Now... while I really dislike games that allow people to dash into battle wearing heavy armor while keeping the looks of a exotic dancer (cough, SWTOR, cough), I do enjoy having options. And as long as the actual effect of the gear worn reflects its visuals, I have no problem whatsoever with skimpy armor.

I once in another thread suggested giving more options for some armor pieces. Making the current ones "full mail", and adding skimpier "half-mail" versions to all chestpieces, legpieces, and headpieces, possibly even hands, feet and shoulders (can't really imagine a lighter version of the belt, since that's basically just a belt buckle here).
Those half-mail versions could then be "lighter", showing skin, having ventillated straps instead of full leather covering, sleeveless style instead of arms covered, light open faces helmets instead of the current facemasks, kilts/skirts instead of greaves, that sort of thing... but would also have a reduced armor value, say, only 65-75% of the full mail version?
Then people themselves could decide if their visuals are worth the lower protection - realism, yay!

And of course there now is that "civilian clothing" we can steal... I would love to see this expanded upon with many, many more styles and looks, making it purchasable from tailors and maybe even craftable by clothiers - each piece could be a style that needs to be researched just like a weapon trait, and some styles could be hard to find... so much that could be done with this!
And in the end, it would allow players a lot of dye-able looks without any armor value at all for their enjoyment and roleplaying-support. I'd support any idea going with this, and adding everything from beggars rtags over nobles threads, from monks habits to, uhm, "nightflower working clothes" to this category.
As long as it doesn't have any armor effect, I don't care if its just some bandages placed over the naughty bits, the game IS mature rated, one should be able to deal with this kind of visuals. And people going into battle can get more realism as to why most warriors all over history liked to wear armor...

MercyKilling

Bloodfang wrote: »

Go on any TES Lore Forum you want and try to claim Skimpy Armor is Lore-Friendly. I'd like to see that. Sadly I don't have the time to bother with this.

Okay, I've got the time. Here's some pics from the Elder Scrolls games:






















Notice the last two? Almalexia and Vivec. To say that revealing armor isn't in the lore is....well....ludicrous.

Also equally ludicrous is the idea that a ring can be magically enchanted to protect the wearer, but something like what Almalexia and Vivec are wearing cannot. This renders the "no protection" and "less protective" arguments invalid.

Like the original post said, nobody is asking for a total replacement of anything, but rather a simple inclusion so people can make the CHOICE of what fashion statement to make.

Unless you're afraid that more people would choose the style you so obviously dislike? In which case, opening the game up for cosmetic modding would alleviate that, because you, the offended would never see what offends you unless you install the cosmetic mod.

Edited to change links into images.

Endurance

not happening unless ZOS allowed ESO Nexus modding community to edit/repack the armor textures & meshes and release them as modded addons

vrine

Most of you claiming there isn't skimpy armour in TES lore haven't played the originals! And if you have, you should know better.

WhiskyBob

I wouldn't count Daggerfall and Arena (especially Arena) as games rich with ES lore.

The ES lore explosion begun with Morrowind, previous games were just a cheesy generic fantasy games with style dictated by fantasy standards of that time. Honestly tried both of them and I didn't find them fun and had less Elder Scrolls feel than crown store potions.

Yes, Almalexia and Vivec wear skimpy armor but they are Gods or semi-gods or dudes with godly powers, if I possessed such power I would run around completely naked.

I understand light armor with some "sexy factor" but a huge NO to sexy heavy/medium armors, those are ARMORS not BDSM accessories.

CaptainObvious

WhiskyBob wrote: »

I wouldn't count Daggerfall and Arena (especially Arena) as games rich with ES lore.

Then please replay them and pay attention. There are undertones that were missed. Probably easier to do because back in the day things were not overtly telegraphed.

MercyKilling

PKMN12 wrote: »

because Cosmetic modding is SO incredibly abusable in MMOs, there is a VERY good reason it is not in game.

Anything in an MMO is abusable. Are you forgetting about the dupe bug early in the game's launch? Oh, how about animation cancelling? I could go on, and cite examples from other games as well.

Point being, players will abuse anything, but developers put it into the game anyway. Considering how the developers were able to code only certain parts of the UI and mechanics so people could mod the UI and get damage numbers and such for themselves, but not other people's stats and stuff, it wouldn't be that hard to isolate only the appearance of a thing and let the talent out there have at it.

I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at what results. If the initial knee-jerk reaction can be put aside, of course.

WhiskyBob

CaptainObvious wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

I wouldn't count Daggerfall and Arena (especially Arena) as games rich with ES lore.

Then please replay them and pay attention. There are undertones that were missed. Probably easier to do because back in the day things were not overtly telegraphed.

Daggerfall maybe a little. But Arena has barely any relevant lore in it.

Zosia

I'll repeat my statement from the other topic, feminine and beautiful armor doesn't mean it has to be skimpy. I'll give you three best (in my opinion, of course) examples from the Skyrim modding community on The Nexus:

Triss Armor Retextured CBBE HDT by Psyke23 - oldholo - ChronoTrigger77

Screenshot by lessthan3

It's actually an armor from The Witcher 2

Unclaimed Delivery by SkyrimForDaWin

Screenshot by SkyrimForDaWin

Elven Archer Armor - UNP by NewerMind43 (retextured by tanishin)

Screenshot by VRDaphni

Well, the thighs are visible... is it considered skimpy? I don't know, for me it's not skimpy at all.

And, to be honest, I'm much more angered by the "boob plate" we now have in ESO, because it's one of the least realistic designs of an armor I've seen. It makes the blade of a weapon go straight for the center of your ribcage, instead of making it slide off to the side. If we want realism, then get rid of the boob plate. If we don't want it, let the other unrealistic designs exist, too.

CaptainObvious

Zosia wrote: »

And, to be honest, I'm much more angered by the "boob plate" we now have in ESO, because it's one of the least realistic designs of an armor I've seen. It makes the blade of a weapon go straight for the center of your ribcage, instead of making it slide off to the side. If we want realism, then get rid of the boob plate. If we don't want it, let the other unrealistic designs exist, too.

Yay. As denoted in the quote, the system is already broken for aesthetic reasons. People should just embrace the want for as many clothing options as possible to support everyone.

Instead of the "No, the armor should only look the way I want it!" There should be posts like, it would be nice to see something that looked like 16th century plate armor X or pre-existing design Y or Tankini Z.

Will be up to the devs/artists on what actually gets built. Right now, I suspect that the acidic atmosphere has them a bit gun shy because anything released will cause rioting by some party.

PKMN12

MercyKilling wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

because Cosmetic modding is SO incredibly abusable in MMOs, there is a VERY good reason it is not in game.

Anything in an MMO is abusable. Are you forgetting about the dupe bug early in the game's launch? Oh, how about animation cancelling? I could go on, and cite examples from other games as well.

Point being, players will abuse anything, but developers put it into the game anyway. Considering how the developers were able to code only certain parts of the UI and mechanics so people could mod the UI and get damage numbers and such for themselves, but not other people's stats and stuff, it wouldn't be that hard to isolate only the appearance of a thing and let the talent out there have at it.

I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at what results. If the initial knee-jerk reaction can be put aside, of course.

appearence modding can be MAJORLY abused. Can be used to make enemies trynig to sneak easier to see, or just enemies in general easier to see from far away. allows you to make it easier to figure out what kind of role/class your enemies are facing or make it easier to see what kind of attack they are doing

Mumnoch

PKMN12 wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

because Cosmetic modding is SO incredibly abusable in MMOs, there is a VERY good reason it is not in game.

Anything in an MMO is abusable. Are you forgetting about the dupe bug early in the game's launch? Oh, how about animation cancelling? I could go on, and cite examples from other games as well.

Point being, players will abuse anything, but developers put it into the game anyway. Considering how the developers were able to code only certain parts of the UI and mechanics so people could mod the UI and get damage numbers and such for themselves, but not other people's stats and stuff, it wouldn't be that hard to isolate only the appearance of a thing and let the talent out there have at it.

I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at what results. If the initial knee-jerk reaction can be put aside, of course.

appearence modding can be MAJORLY abused. Can be used to make enemies trynig to sneak easier to see, or just enemies in general easier to see from far away. allows you to make it easier to figure out what kind of role/class your enemies are facing or make it easier to see what kind of attack they are doing

Yes and No.

Sure a modder could make all heavy armor pink, all medium armor blue, all light armor yellow and then tell from far away what kind of armor you are wearing but he/she would have to go to each individual set and then each individual piece in that set and color it. A massive amount of work to only gleam what kind of armor his enemy is wearing from a distant and nothing else.

PKMN12

Mumnoch wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

because Cosmetic modding is SO incredibly abusable in MMOs, there is a VERY good reason it is not in game.

Anything in an MMO is abusable. Are you forgetting about the dupe bug early in the game's launch? Oh, how about animation cancelling? I could go on, and cite examples from other games as well.

Point being, players will abuse anything, but developers put it into the game anyway. Considering how the developers were able to code only certain parts of the UI and mechanics so people could mod the UI and get damage numbers and such for themselves, but not other people's stats and stuff, it wouldn't be that hard to isolate only the appearance of a thing and let the talent out there have at it.

I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at what results. If the initial knee-jerk reaction can be put aside, of course.

appearence modding can be MAJORLY abused. Can be used to make enemies trynig to sneak easier to see, or just enemies in general easier to see from far away. allows you to make it easier to figure out what kind of role/class your enemies are facing or make it easier to see what kind of attack they are doing

Yes and No.

Sure a modder could make all heavy armor pink, all medium armor blue, all light armor yellow and then tell from far away what kind of armor you are wearing but he/she would have to go to each individual set and then each individual piece in that set and color it. A massive amount of work to only gleam what kind of armor his enemy is wearing from a distant and nothing else.

it would also allow a player to see them from a distance and see how many are coming, or as i said, possibly in stealth.

sorry, but even the chance that it could be abused like that means it will NEVER be implemented

Mumnoch

Endurance wrote: »

not happening unless ZOS allowed ESO Nexus modding community to edit/repack the armor textures & meshes and release them as modded addons

You are absolutely right. There are a ton of modder's out there that would solve all of this for free if only Zenimax would allow them. Then it would be zero work on Zenimax's side and a entire Modding community both pleased and working for free giving both sides of this discussion what they want (repressed/non-repressed looks for females). Win/Win

@zenimax_nagahashi @zenimaxeb17_ESO


Devote 1 individual to creating a tool to unpack and repack the files and release it on the Nexus or here. Tweak the system file to not care if cosmetic files are larger or smaller. Wipe your hands of all of this knowing you just made 100% of your community happy for once!

c.p.garrett1993_ESO

There's plenty of ugly and beautiful armor for both males and females.
If this is another skimpy armor thread. No. Why?
If this is simply asking for more options than what currently exist? Sure. There's no such thing as having too many options in this sort of situation. I would, however, recommend you be more specific in what you want to see. It would be highly beneficial to describe what you want and reference images if possible, that way ZOS can actually consider it.

Rune_Relic

PKMN12 wrote: »

Mumnoch wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

because Cosmetic modding is SO incredibly abusable in MMOs, there is a VERY good reason it is not in game.

Anything in an MMO is abusable. Are you forgetting about the dupe bug early in the game's launch? Oh, how about animation cancelling? I could go on, and cite examples from other games as well.

Point being, players will abuse anything, but developers put it into the game anyway. Considering how the developers were able to code only certain parts of the UI and mechanics so people could mod the UI and get damage numbers and such for themselves, but not other people's stats and stuff, it wouldn't be that hard to isolate only the appearance of a thing and let the talent out there have at it.

I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at what results. If the initial knee-jerk reaction can be put aside, of course.

appearence modding can be MAJORLY abused. Can be used to make enemies trynig to sneak easier to see, or just enemies in general easier to see from far away. allows you to make it easier to figure out what kind of role/class your enemies are facing or make it easier to see what kind of attack they are doing

Yes and No.

Sure a modder could make all heavy armor pink, all medium armor blue, all light armor yellow and then tell from far away what kind of armor you are wearing but he/she would have to go to each individual set and then each individual piece in that set and color it. A massive amount of work to only gleam what kind of armor his enemy is wearing from a distant and nothing else.

it would also allow a player to see them from a distance and see how many are coming, or as i said, possibly in stealth.

sorry, but even the chance that it could be abused like that means it will NEVER be implemented

Distance.... could be limited by view distance and graphics performance issues anyway. Cant really give everyone the same graphics card unless its console.
Stealth... is a visibility switch internally coded. How could costume/armour have any baring on stealth ?

Rune_Relic

I am inclined to agree with a few of the others here.
My only goal is options/choices.
I am sure people hate my taste on some stuff.
That's fine.
God knows a lot of people hate some of ZOS stuff or this post wouldn't exist.

+1 Let Zenimax issue templates and have style/design competitions using the templates.
Perhaps let ZOS compile the designs into armour themes for the guild store or vote on one off costumes.
Whoever wins gets said design/costume added to the game.
Perhaps they get some in game rewards for winning.

1. This frees up ZOS an incredible amount of time.
2. This frees up ZOS an incredible amount of cash.
3. This improves the player/ZOS relationship no end.
4. This build a community program out of whats supposed to be a community based program.
5. The playerbase is actually creating stuff they buy while the cash goes to ZOS ??? Lol

I see nothing but win all round to be honest.
One way to look at it is ZOS can offload as much as possible on the community and get them invested in the game. At the same time freeing up funds and resources on areas the community cant help with....major content.
Business survive on minimum costs and maximum profit.
ZOS has a whole army of a workforce who charge nothing scratching their arse

failkiwib16_ESO

I want more skimpy armor and I want more covered armor, I want more different looking armor and I want option to actually dye all the armor - and not having to deal with parts of the armor, while some parts of it is undyeable ..... I WANT CHOICES !!! many many choices!!!!!!!!!


I wanna be able to change my chars appearance, gender, age, class, race and much much more. I don't like feeling limited


Btw. my female chars have always looked skimpy and beautiful and young, and my male chars have always looked old, fat, short and as ugly as possible. I would be happy to be able to change one of my males into a handsome mature man, and one of my females to a rough 1980's stereotypical criminal woman. I love costumizing, and I spend a lot of time on it. Q_Q

Mumnoch

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I want more skimpy armor and I want more covered armor, I want more different looking armor and I want option to actually dye all the armor - and not having to deal with parts of the armor, while some parts of it is undyeable ..... I WANT CHOICES !!! many many choices!!!!!!!!!


I wanna be able to change my chars appearance, gender, age, class, race and much much more. I don't like feeling limited


Btw. my female chars have always looked skimpy and beautiful and young, and my male chars have always looked old, fat, short and as ugly as possible. I would be happy to be able to change one of my males into a handsome mature man, and one of my females to a rough 1980's stereotypical criminal woman. I love costumizing, and I spend a lot of time on it. Q_Q

I just wanted to point out 1 thing you said;

"I love customizing, and I spend a lot of time on it."

This in the past was the #1 reason while the TES universe is still popular today. Every game in the past has allowed the community to create/improve/change/tweak the TES games giving people the ability to customize their playing experience. This in turn caused them to spend a lot of time with the game.

As many other's pointed out including myself; Zenimax have 1 talented developer create a tool to unpack and repack armor files. Then change the patcher to not care about the size of armor files. Then throw a party for yourselves. You just satisfied 100% of your playerbase for the first time since your companies conception.

Veridiano02

Don't worry, ZOS is not going to make any adition to anything, because everything they make is a mistake, and recieved with hate and anger for this, in theory "supportive" community, here in the forums. Maybe the best ZOS can do is shut down this forums. And let dozens of trolls homeless. I've entered here to seek some advice, to discuss about I game I actually love. Then I see a lot of people flamming everything. It's the last time I enter in this forums.

Last thing to say: As long as they keep the designs for the Dark seducer and the Valenwood spinner exactly how they are now, I'm more than happy.

eNumbra

Mumnoch wrote: »

So is ESO's stance going to be to bury/lock every thread asking for better looking armor for female avatars? There are a few vocal fanboy's who are ruining this forum by bashing anyone with a different opinion than theirs.

"Better looking"

Let's start with the fact that this is wholly opinion. Skimpy armor is neither better nor worse looking armor for females, it is simply different - and much rarer in Elder Scrolls lore than more realistic and practical looking armors. Does it exist? Sure, almost exclusively at low levels, reflecting the unprotective nature of bare midriffs and *** pasties. The skimpy armors that exist in Elder Scrolls lore are most often cloth and low level hide and this is acceptable, if Zenimax were to start introducing more revealing outfits, they should be limited primarily to cloth styles - something that could be achieved by making all tiers of style craftable.

The people who cite Almalexia, Vivec and Nocturnal however, as evidence of skimpy armor? These characters are Gods/demigods and Nocturnal's robe is pretty clearly just a fancy poncho.


If you want skimpy armor, that's fine; but if it provides any actual armor, what you're asking for, I hope you never find in Elder Scrolls Online.