Better looking armor?

PKMN12

Mumnoch wrote: »

As many other's pointed out including myself; Zenimax have 1 talented developer create a tool to unpack and repack armor files. Then change the patcher to not care about the size of armor files. Then throw a party for yourselves. You just satisfied 100% of your playerbase for the first time since your companies conception.

that would not satisfy most MMO players, actually that would kill the majority of the playerbase cause of abuse and cheating.
Cosmetic modding DOES NOT work in an MMO.

MercyKilling

PKMN12 wrote: »

appearence modding can be MAJORLY abused. Can be used to make enemies trynig to sneak easier to see, or just enemies in general easier to see from far away. allows you to make it easier to figure out what kind of role/class your enemies are facing or make it easier to see what kind of attack they are doing

That's not how sneaking works. Doesn't matter what color your armor is, you'd still be hidden to view.
Also completely irrelevant. Exactly how many modders do you think would do something like this? They have pride in their work.
As I said before, get past this idiotic knee-jerk response to modding and you'll be surprised at what turns up.
Besides, to go off what I read in the forums every day, PvP in this game is a wreck anyway. Who cares if someone makes a hot pink armor mod and only has it on their screens?

eNumbra wrote: »

The people who cite Almalexia, Vivec and Nocturnal however, as evidence of skimpy armor? These characters are Gods/demigods and Nocturnal's robe is pretty clearly just a fancy poncho.

And our characters are soulless beings that have beaten down Molag Bal, Mannimarco and a host of Daedra, rendering us very godlike as well. Your point is?

By knee-jerk naysaying modding, you will never see things like this:

Or this:

or this:

or this:

You would never see skimpy armor on your screen unless YOU installed a skimpy armor mod. That's the beauty of it. Conform the game world's fashion to YOUR tastes. Win-win.

eNumbra

MercyKilling wrote: »

And our characters are soulless beings that have beaten down Molag Bal, Mannimarco and a host of Daedra, rendering us very godlike as well. Your point is?

"godlike"


There's a difference between RPG hero and Immortals who can create and destroy their own planes of existence on a whim and you only wound Molag Bal as a result of being imbued with the power of Akatosh. Don't think for a minute that was your fantastic build at work.

The POINT however, was that these beings are Immortals far beyond the worries characters in ESO, they have no real need for armor and can thus, wear whatever the hell they want.

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MercyKilling

eNumbra wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

And our characters are soulless beings that have beaten down Molag Bal, Mannimarco and a host of Daedra, rendering us very godlike as well. Your point is?

"godlike"


There's a difference between RPG hero and Immortals who can create and destroy their own planes of existence on a whim and you only wound Molag Bal as a result of being imbued with the power of Akatosh. Don't think for a minute that was your fantastic build at work.

The POINT however, was that these beings are Immortals far beyond the worries characters in ESO, they have no real need for armor and can thus, wear whatever the hell they want.

And I'll reiterate a point I made in another post....

you obviously have no problems accepting that a small band of metal that fits around your finger (a ring) can be enchanted to protect the wearer(or provide other magical gifts), and so can something that resembles what Almalexia or Vivec or Nocturnal is wearing. Pretty sure in Morrowind, you can fight Vivec and take him out. Point is...we're the protagonist of the story, and nothing is impossible for us.

At least be honest. The only reason(that I can see)why you don't want things like that is because it offends your sensibilities.
I say push your boundaries and expand your horizons.
Also, it bears repeating: If you do not have said mod installed on your computer, you'd never see what someone else has. Cosmetic mods are only(and always have been) customer side. Never will be client side.

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PKMN12

eNumbra wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

And our characters are soulless beings that have beaten down Molag Bal, Mannimarco and a host of Daedra, rendering us very godlike as well. Your point is?

"godlike"


There's a difference between RPG hero and Immortals who can create and destroy their own planes of existence on a whim and you only wound Molag Bal as a result of being imbued with the power of Akatosh. Don't think for a minute that was your fantastic build at work.

The POINT however, was that these beings are Immortals far beyond the worries characters in ESO, they have no real need for armor and can thus, wear whatever the hell they want.

IT is all but stated that Almexia wore that armored bikiki even BEFORE she became a god, so yeah, there goes that argument.

Also as stated, you can enchant a ring to protect you, why not do the same for cloths.

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Pizzathegreat

First: sorry for my terrible english.

What it could be done concerning armors and modding is, that maybe Zenimax could have a monthly contest for armor modding, there is no need for expensive prices or anything weird.

Just give the winners free acces to their cosmetic creation and that could solve it, for a modder the best thing that could happend is to have their work recognized as official.

They could release some basic templates like this ones:



People will post their armors following that format and people will choose wich one they want.

After all the vote is done, an official lore master could revisit if they will fit on the lore and then the 3 armors that get the most votes and are aproved by Zenimax will be added to the crown store as cosmetics and that will also help them to get some money to keep running the game.

The ideal will be for them to share the basic body mesh for modders to adapt their new mesh armor models and textures, that way Zenimax dont have to waste resources on imitating the winner concept art on a brand new 3d model but just implement the already functional modeled new armor into the game.

Doing it this way it will not have the freedom like skyrim does with modding, but it will assure quality and lore friendly armors instead of those weird bikini chainmails.

And 3 new cosmetics armor every month its a good number for people that care about how they character looks.

If it is done, please allow people to all parts of the world to join in, I am really tired of never been able to participate of anything because I am from Argentina and not the EEUU.

Thank you for the reading and sorry for the bad english.

MercyKilling

eNumbra wrote: »

[...]

For everyone's viewing pleasure:




For the record, this isn't what I'm asking for. But, to include everyone, I'm not excluding this option.


Edit:

Pizzathegreat wrote: »

*A really great proposal!*

This guy gets it. +1

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WrathOfRegicide

Just no metal bikini's, my god that looks so ridiculously dumb and impractical.

CaptainObvious

So the number of people running around the game with no clothing equipped is on the rise. Basically generating the effect of the above. Evidently the guards don't have a problem with it.

TheShadowScout

MercyKilling wrote: »

For everyone's viewing pleasure:




For the record, this isn't what I'm asking for. But, to include everyone, I'm not excluding this option.

For everyones amusement:



That pretty much sums up my thoughts about this sort of "armor", and why I want to see clothing like that only as part of the (sadly currently only stealable) "civilian clothing"...

MercyKilling

TheShadowScout wrote: »

That pretty much sums up my thoughts about this sort of "armor", and why I want to see clothing like that only as part of the (sadly currently only stealable) "civilian clothing"...

Totally because what the blue lady in the red dress is wearing cannot be enchanted to provide equivalent or even better protection than what the other female is wearing.

I get that the cartoon is for amusement, but the argument you are trying to put forward is bunk, when you consider magical armors and cloths.

Cloak of Elvenkind?
Cloak of Protection?

Don't you think those kinds of enchantments could be cast upon any clothing? Even underwear, should someone so desire?

...I kinda giggled at "underwear of elvenkind".

Arcanasx

MercyKilling wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

...I kinda giggled at "underwear of elvenkind".

Oh, the possibilities!

Anyways, clearly whats going on here is mostly a functionality vs cosmetic arguement. We already have the "boob-plate", which is actually not so practical, but then again wearing 40 pounds of plate armor only to show some cleavage and your midriff...might as well not wear armor at all.

Huggernaut

I'd like to see better looking gear PERIOD.

So much of this gear looks horrible that I mostly just run around in costumes, but that is getting, real old, real fast.

I will agree with the OP though that the female armor seems to be considerably worse looking than the male versions. So much so that the ONLY alt I have ever made and actually leveled, I had to make a male simply for this reason alone.

Arcanasx

Huggernaut wrote: »

I'd like to see better looking gear PERIOD.

So much of this gear looks horrible that I mostly just run around in costumes, but that is getting, real old, real fast.

I will agree with the OP though that the female armor seems to be considerably worse looking than the male versions. So much so that the ONLY alt I have ever made and actually leveled, I had to make a male simply for this reason alone.

Depends on your preferences, but I find the Breton heavy armor satisfying; its the most realistic looking heavy armor in the game.

Then you have argonian armor and weapons, which are made of flint, and have the same stats as something made of steel.

Arcanasx

MercyKilling wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

[...]

For everyone's viewing pleasure:




For the record, this isn't what I'm asking for. But, to include everyone, I'm not excluding this option.


Edit:

Pizzathegreat wrote: »

*A really great proposal!*

This guy gets it. +1

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Imagine what the blacksmith was thinking making that armor...

Bodycounter

There are enough games out there, that are made for horny young men. And the line between armor, that's still practical or plain sexual is small. Eso has highly realistic proportions and i would dislike armors, that are only implemented to show as much naked skin as possible. Yes, current armors are prudish, but don't go over a certain limit as many other games did.

I would really want to here what females think, how light, medium and heavy armors should look like. I can imagine, that most of them are sick of the cliche of half naked women and heavy armored (male) heroes.

TheShadowScout

If wool clothing can be enchanted to provide protection, then steel clothing can be enchanted to provide more protection. Which is pretty much what all the light, medium and heavy armors are about...

As for enchantment in ESO... how many "glyphs of armor rating" did you enchant lately? Last time I did enchanting, the armor options were add stamina, add magica, or add health. Supporting magic for the wearer, not mystical protection like is possible in D&D (Bracers AC-0, Ring of Protection+5, etc.)

And while cloak of elvenkind or cloak of protection are nice, for fond memories of playing D&D (though I have to admit, I always was more partial to the cloak of displacement myself, when I could get one), we still don't even get a "oilskin cloak of rain repulsion" or "wool cloth of winter warmth" here in ESO yet...


...
...and now... for something completely different...

Underwear of elvenkind is a valid but seldom mentioned part of many fantasy worlds. When found, it usually generates a lot of snickering among the male human adventurers, and embarrassed looks from their elven comrades, due to the, uhm, tailoring, which is also the reason it only fits elves... or girls. And some speculate on... a great many things while contemplating underwear on elvenkind. And can lead to some unfortunate experiences when enough mead enters the equation too. But I fear the forum standards prohibit from getting into detains here...

Arcanasx

TheShadowScout wrote: »

If wool clothing can be enchanted to provide protection, then steel clothing can be enchanted to provide more protection. Which is pretty much what all the light, medium and heavy armors are about...

As for enchantment in ESO... how many "glyphs of armor rating" did you enchant lately? Last time I did enchanting, the armor options were add stamina, add magica, or add health. Supporting magic for the wearer, not mystical protection like is possible in D&D (Bracers AC-0, Ring of Protection+5, etc.)

And while cloak of elvenkind or cloak of protection are nice, for fond memories of playing D&D (though I have to admit, I always was more partial to the cloak of displacement myself, when I could get one), we still don't even get a "oilskin cloak of rain repulsion" or "wool cloth of winter warmth" here in ESO yet...


...
...and now... for something completely different...

Underwear of elvenkind is a valid but seldom mentioned part of many fantasy worlds. When found, it usually generates a lot of snickering among the male human adventurers, and embarrassed looks from their elven comrades, due to the, uhm, tailoring, which is also the reason it only fits elves... or girls. And some speculate on... a great many things while contemplating underwear on elvenkind. And can lead to some unfortunate experiences when enough mead enters the equation too. But I fear the forum standards prohibit from getting into detains here...

I believe the magical property of the underwear has something to do with no longer needing and kind of "hygienic" product. The kind of thing that you can use forever and pass down to your children which they pass on to their children and so on, or even share with your friends. Makes Bounty look like a joke.

Mumnoch

Bodycounter wrote: »

There are enough games out there, that are made for horny young men. And the line between armor, that's still practical or plain sexual is small. Eso has highly realistic proportions and i would dislike armors, that are only implemented to show as much naked skin as possible. Yes, current armors are prudish, but don't go over a certain limit as many other games did.

I would really want to here what females think, how light, medium and heavy armors should look like. I can imagine, that most of them are sick of the cliche of half naked women and heavy armored (male) heroes.

Well for what it's worth back when my wife played this game this was her #1 reason she quit. She couldn't stand how repressed her "self" in this game looked once we hit lvl 50+. She mentioned it, got flamed down by repressed individual's and quit the game.

"...that are made for horny young men." Careful please, as you are accusing everyone here without repressed views as being horny young men. That's pretty sexist. Not to mention inaccurate, anyone who did any research into TES lore should conclude that ESO is departing from the TES universe with how much repressed the female avatar is over the male avatar. There was many armor's in light, medium, and heavy that you would consider created "for horny young men". None of us are asking for all armors to be changed. We want choices, we want our female "badasses" to not be wearing habits.

@zenimax_nagahashi @zenimaxeb17_ESO

Cheveyo

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

For everyone's viewing pleasure:




For the record, this isn't what I'm asking for. But, to include everyone, I'm not excluding this option.

For everyones amusement:



That pretty much sums up my thoughts about this sort of "armor", and why I want to see clothing like that only as part of the (sadly currently only stealable) "civilian clothing"...

You can shoot fire with your mouth, but magical clothes that act like armor is beyond your ability to imagine?

Cheveyo

TheShadowScout wrote: »

The threads keep getting locked because people.

Mumnoch wrote: »

This is a fantasy based game, "realism" post's don't hold in a fantasy based game with demon's and magic.

Citing "fantasy" is no reason to throw realism out of the window and introduce bladeproof nudity. The setting within itself has to make sense within the constraints of its logic, and wearing something tough to keep the metal pointy ends of the things in your enemies hands away from the red stuff in your veins is logical in most backgrounds.

Magic is a thing in the ESO universe. You realize that, right?

1. I can bring a person back from the dead.
2. Our souls were stolen and we walk around without them for a while.
3. I can shoot a fiery chain like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat and either bring my target, who probably weights at least 150 pounds, to me... or drag myself to that target. In some cases, I can drag monsters that weigh closer to a ton.
4. Fiery spikes of gods-know-what kind of material can sprout from my torso.
5. I can turn into a Vampire or a Werewolf.
6. I can murder a person in town and 20 minutes later, they're walking around like nothing happened.
7. I can summon demons.
8. I can shoot lightning, fire, ice, magic healing lights.
9. I can swing a two handed weapon hard enough that I can uppercut someone twice my size and send them flying

But you can't wrap your head around skimpy clothing?

golfer.dub17_ESO

No, ZoS shouldn't waste hours of time programming just so some fanboys can oggle at some breasts.

That this is a constant request on these forums amazes me.

We want choices, we want our female "badasses" to not be wearing habits.

Because a woman isn't a badass unless she's objectified. Forget that Lyris can break apart rocks with her Axe, her boobs aren't spilling out of her armor so it doesn't count.

got flamed down by repressed individual's

Because anyone who opposes pandering, immersion breaking nonsense is "repressed".
Rofl.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Can players please stop asking for skimmpy metal bikinis already. Like really M rated doesn't always mean sexual content female characters have real armor get over it.

TheShadowScout

Cheveyo wrote: »

Magic is a thing in the ESO universe. You realize that, right?
-snip-
But you can't wrap your head around skimpy clothing?

Yes, magic is indeed a thing. But that doesn't mean its every thing. Now, trell me again... which of the magical abilities we have in Tamriel can make skimpy clothes provide extra protection again? Vestige status? Oh, no, wait, that's just for our respawns. Fiery chains? Nope, doesn't look like it. Occasional furryness? Maybe good for a cold wind, but otherwise... not too likely. Shooting balls of fire from your eyes and bolts of lightning from your ar... uhm... no, wait, that was a braveheart quote, wasn't it?

I am saying, the system should make sense within its own logic. And not just do whatever "because magic". In game systems where there are rings and bracers that provide "mystical protection", I have no problem with chainmail bikinis doing the same. But TES games never were D&D games where you could find Rings of Protection and Bracers AC-0... so why should the effect now suddenly appear?

If you want skimpyness with magical protection, you can always go in your underwear and spam sorceror/templar shields, right? See how far that gets you...

And again, I'm not saying we shouldn't get skimpy clothes too in ESO. I am just saying they shouldn't count as -armor- Keep the battlefield folk looking like warriors, and let people wear whatever in town, match function to form when it comes to attire, that's my word.

Mumnoch

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

No, ZoS shouldn't waste hours of time programming just so some fanboys can oggle at some breasts.

That this is a constant request on these forums amazes me.

We want choices, we want our female "badasses" to not be wearing habits.

Because a woman isn't a badass unless she's objectified. Forget that Lyris can break apart rocks with her Axe, her boobs aren't spilling out of her armor so it doesn't count.

got flamed down by repressed individual's

Because anyone who opposes pandering, immersion breaking nonsense is "repressed".
Rofl.

I can understand your point of view in that the female body scares you. I get it, we all do. However, the vast majority of individual's are not scared of what happens to us when we see a bit of skin on the opposite sex much less being unable to control ourselves and conduct ourselves in a responsible/civil manner. If a request for Zenimax to stop basing their higher tiered armors on such puritan concepts causes you to fly off the handle and not understand simple points like "...we want our female "badassess" to not be wearing habits" maybe online games isn't the right choice for you.

This is a constant request on these forum's because ESO has horribly puritan concepts for only female avatars. There are ton's of TES fan's who want to play ESO but find this repressed attitude of Zenimax horrible. And finally because the choice isn't there currently ingame and we want choices like we have had in every other TES game to date!

Snowstrider

I agree that we should get better looking armor,But not only for females,You may want different things then i . I for one want more detailed better looking armor that doesnt look like paper mache or painted on suit.

I want something more like other elder scrolls games and the concept art showing proper armor,No toy armor plz

golfer.dub17_ESO

I can understand your point of view in that the female body scares you.

Adorable, really.

If someone doesn't want every bit of serious and mature media on the planet to be sexualized for the sake of it they are 'repressed'.

This is a constant request on these forum's because ESO has horribly puritan concepts for only female avatars.

Most male armor is also full-body covering. What are you even talking about? The only revealing armor in the game, for both males and females, is low-level, which makes sense. The more revealing armor is the less it tends to actually function as armor..

maybe online games isn't the right choice for you.

Maybe you would be more comfortable playing Scarlet Blade.

Cloak of Elvenkind?
Cloak of Protection?

Don't you think those kinds of enchantments could be cast upon any clothing? Even underwear, should someone so desire?

Okay, wear skimpy armor (or none at all) and spam damage shields. I fail to see the problem there.

"But the armor underneath the magic is weaker than full protection". Yeah, what did you expect running around half naked once your magic fails you? Magic isn't infallible and non-enchanted threads shouldn't give more protection than specialized full-body armor once magic stops being a factor.

Zosia

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Can players please stop asking for skimmpy metal bikinis already.

No one is doing such a thing in this thread.

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Because a woman isn't a badass unless she's objectified.

No one is asking to be objectified, that would be horrible.

Have you guys/girls read this thread or are you basing your statements purely on assumptions? Because it feels like it's the latter.

And for those that say "just go naked", you're missing the point. Most of us are asking for a fancy, yet tasetful armor that can (but doesn't have to) reveal some skin, not for a skimpy one. And fancy not in the terms of adding tons of useless things like the dreaded hip flaps. A naked character isn't wearing anything good-looking, quite the opposite. Seriously, if I wanted to stare at a naked female body, I'd just undress myself and look in the mirror.

MercyKilling

Zosia wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Can players please stop asking for skimmpy metal bikinis already.

No one is doing such a thing in this thread.

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Because a woman isn't a badass unless she's objectified.

No one is asking to be objectified, that would be horrible.

Have you guys/girls read this thread or are you basing your statements purely on assumptions? Because it feels like it's the latter.

And for those that say "just go naked", you're missing the point. Most of us are asking for a fancy, yet tasetful armor that can (but doesn't have to) reveal some skin, not for a skimpy one. And fancy not in the terms of adding tons of useless things like the dreaded hip flaps. A naked character isn't wearing anything good-looking, quite the opposite. Seriously, if I wanted to stare at a naked female body, I'd just undress myself and look in the mirror.

This person gets it. Have an awesome on me.

Mumnoch

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

I can understand your point of view in that the female body scares you.

Adorable, really.

If someone doesn't want every bit of serious and mature media on the planet to be sexualized for the sake of it they are repressed.

This is a constant request on these forum's because ESO has horribly puritan concepts for only female avatars.

Most male armor is also full-body covering. What are you even talking about? The only revealing armor in the game, for both males and females, is low-level, which makes sense. The more revealing armor is the less it tends to actually function as armor..

maybe online games isn't the right choice for you.

Maybe you would be more comfortable playing Scarlet Blade.

Cloak of Elvenkind?
Cloak of Protection?

Don't you think those kinds of enchantments could be cast upon any clothing? Even underwear, should someone so desire?

Okay, wear skimpy armor (or none at all) and spam damage shields. I fail to see the problem there.

"But the armor underneath the magic is weaker than full protection". Yeah, what did you expect running around half naked once your magic fails you? Magic isn't infallible and non-enchanted threads shouldn't give more protection than specialized full-body armor once magic stops being a factor.

The fallacy of your arguments (male armor, "function as armor", thinking enchantments = casting spells, etc) and the bias of only having in this game what you are comfortable seeing tells me it's pointless trying to discuss this with you further.

Most of us are unhappy with the armor's in this game when it comes to female avatars. As another poster pointed out aside from this bias against females the low quality of this armor is also a problem for a lot of us and we want Zenimax to address and fix this for the health of this game.


I still believe having a developer whip up a quick tool to unpack and repack texture files and releasing it to the modder's is the best solution and quickest solution to keep everyone happy. @zenimax_nagahashi @zenimaxeb17_ESO