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[Datamine] New armor/weapon styles? Artifacts,Akaviri, Glass,DB/TG, 5th tier weapons/armor.
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Shaarizad✭✭
I've been pestering ZOS about this during every Ask us Anything, they don't respond. I thought they dropped the style and didn't want to mention it again, but apparently it's pretty much in game. I have no idea what's going on.
In another thread I tried to identify the weapon artifacts. Not sure about everything but it's pretty close I think:
Cleaver of St Felms (?)
Mace of the Crusader
Mace of Aevar Stone-Singer
Ebony Blade/Goldbrand
Hopesfire
Blackwater Blade
Chillrend
Debaser
Trueflame
Thornblade (?)
Umbra (?)
Sword of the Crusader (?)
Umbra (?)
Looks like a Daedric Battleaxe from TES:V
Scourge
Stendarr's Hammer
Volendrung
Staff of Indarys
Staff of Hasedoki
Spear of Bitter Mercy
?
Staff of the Everscamp (?)
Mehrunes' Razor
Fork of Horripilation
?
?
?
Auriel's Bow
Bow of Shadows
Shield of the Crusader
Auriel's Shield
Eleidon's Ward
Crosier of St Llothis
Staff of Magnus
Hrormir's Ice Staff
Wabbajack
As I wrote on the reddit post, great list! I think I can help out a bit. I believe the two before Auriel's Bow are the Frost Blade of the Monarch and Chrysamere. I also think the one that's on your list as scourge is actually the Wings of the Queen of Bats, an axe from morrowind which was never actually in-game.2 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »It's good to know that we can find the standard race variants at least.
I PvP quite a bit so it's a bummer that I can't craft these styles into a set piece but on one of my characters I have an extra spot for a set piece and since I don't waste my time on undaunted dailies anymore it just goes unused
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Hopefully, I can find a 5th tier Imperial shield and use it on that one.0 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
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I've been pestering ZOS about this during every Ask us Anything, they don't respond. I thought they dropped the style and didn't want to mention it again, but apparently it's pretty much in game. I have no idea what's going on.
In another thread I tried to identify the weapon artifacts. Not sure about everything but it's pretty close I think:
Cleaver of St Felms (?)
Mace of the Crusader
Mace of Aevar Stone-Singer
Ebony Blade/Goldbrand
Hopesfire
Blackwater Blade
Chillrend
Debaser
Trueflame
Thornblade (?)
Umbra (?)
Sword of the Crusader (?)
Umbra (?)
Looks like a Daedric Battleaxe from TES:V
Scourge
Stendarr's Hammer
Volendrung
Staff of Indarys
Staff of Hasedoki
Spear of Bitter Mercy
?
Staff of the Everscamp (?)
Mehrunes' Razor
Fork of Horripilation
?
?
?
Auriel's Bow
Bow of Shadows
Shield of the Crusader
Auriel's Shield
Eleidon's Ward
Crosier of St Llothis
Staff of Magnus
Hrormir's Ice Staff
Wabbajack
As I wrote on the reddit post, great list! I think I can help out a bit. I believe the two before Auriel's Bow are the Frost Blade of the Monarch and Chrysamere. I also think the one that's on your list as scourge is actually the Wings of the Queen of Bats, an axe from morrowind which was never actually in-game.
@Shaarizad @Faulgor
The collaboration to put names to all of these based off of semi-vague icons is awesome. Keep it up!
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gurluasb16_ESO✭✭✭✭I wonder how those would be released if they ever are.
I hope it's not tied to PVP0 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
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I've been pestering ZOS about this during every Ask us Anything, they don't respond. I thought they dropped the style and didn't want to mention it again, but apparently it's pretty much in game. I have no idea what's going on.
In another thread I tried to identify the weapon artifacts. Not sure about everything but it's pretty close I think:
Cleaver of St Felms (?)
Mace of the Crusader
Mace of Aevar Stone-Singer
Ebony Blade/Goldbrand
Hopesfire
Blackwater Blade
Chillrend
Debaser
Trueflame
Thornblade (?)
Umbra (?)
Sword of the Crusader (?)
Umbra (?)
Looks like a Daedric Battleaxe from TES:V
Scourge
Stendarr's Hammer
Volendrung
Staff of Indarys
Staff of Hasedoki
Spear of Bitter Mercy
?
Staff of the Everscamp (?)
Mehrunes' Razor
Fork of Horripilation
?
?
?
Auriel's Bow
Bow of Shadows
Shield of the Crusader
Auriel's Shield
Eleidon's Ward
Crosier of St Llothis
Staff of Magnus
Hrormir's Ice Staff
Wabbajack
As I wrote on the reddit post, great list! I think I can help out a bit. I believe the two before Auriel's Bow are the Frost Blade of the Monarch and Chrysamere. I also think the one that's on your list as scourge is actually the Wings of the Queen of Bats, an axe from morrowind which was never actually in-game.
You are absolutely correct about everything.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
golfer.dub17_ESO✭✭✭✭
Nope, not at all.
Maormer is just a recoloration of ancient elf, but Aldmeri is quite different in that image.Edited by golfer.dub17_ESO on April 23, 2015 5:31AM0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭I still cannot fathom why the Akaviri swords are not katanas or dai-katanas.
The swords that you find in Oblivion that come from this time period are all katanas..
It doesn't follow lore. : /
And also, they are ugly.0 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭I still cannot fathom why the Akaviri swords are not katanas or dai-katanas.
The swords that you find in Oblivion that come from this time period are all katanas..
It doesn't follow lore. : /
And also, they are ugly.
Oblivion was hundreds of years after this. How does this not follow the lore? This came first. It establishes the lore.Edited by MCMancub on April 23, 2015 1:56PM0 -
PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »I wonder how those would be released if they ever are.
I hope it's not tied to PVP
It would be cash shop, almost Definitively.0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭I still cannot fathom why the Akaviri swords are not katanas or dai-katanas.
The swords that you find in Oblivion that come from this time period are all katanas..
It doesn't follow lore. : /
And also, they are ugly.
Oblivion was hundreds of years after this. How does this not follow the lore? This came first. It establishes the lore.
Um, Ruined Akaviri Blades in Cyrodiil (in Oblivion) came from THIS time period.
...which is why they are ruined. They came from the war that happened shortly before this game takes place, and that war is the reason that there is an Ebonheart Pact in ESO.
That's also the reason that Dragon Knights are in this game, as that is supposedly the martial art of Akavir that was adopted by the people in the time of ESO.
It stands to reason that there should be TONS of those katanas and dai-katanas floating around, as they were highly prized and THIS is the time period that they proliferated across the land.
That's why the ridiculous barbarian swords that are being called "Akaviri" in the data-mined weapons don't fit the lore of the times, or ANY TES game.
In fact, I'd challenge you to find ANY Akaviri sword from ANY time period that is not in the style of a katana, dai-katana, or tanto, aside from ESO, which for some reason decided that they didn't want to follow lore.Edited by Varicite on April 23, 2015 2:05PM7 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭I still cannot fathom why the Akaviri swords are not katanas or dai-katanas.
The swords that you find in Oblivion that come from this time period are all katanas..
It doesn't follow lore. : /
And also, they are ugly.
Oblivion was hundreds of years after this. How does this not follow the lore? This came first. It establishes the lore.
Um, Ruined Akaviri Blades in Cyrodiil (in Oblivion) came from THIS time period.
...which is why they are ruined. They came from the war that happened shortly before this game takes place, and that war is the reason that there is an Ebonheart Pact in ESO.
That's also the reason that Dragon Knights are in this game, as that is supposedly the martial art of Akavir that was adopted by the people in the time of ESO.
It stands to reason that there should be TONS of those katanas and dai-katanas floating around, as they were highly prized and THIS is the time period that they proliferated across the land.
That's fair. +1 for knowledge.3 -
DerpyShadowz✭✭✭✭
He means in-game year, Oblivion is set hundred of years after so technically, ESO lore is earlier, even though oblivion was created first.Lurking in the shadows.1 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭I Highlander l wrote: »
He means in-game year, Oblivion is set hundred of years after so technically, ESO lore is earlier, even though oblivion was created first.
Why is it that prequels ruin lore and franchises? *Cough Star Wars Cough*
jk I actually like the prequels for what they were but inconsistencies bugged me the same way they do in ESO. 2 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭I Highlander l wrote: »
He means in-game year, Oblivion is set hundred of years after so technically, ESO lore is earlier, even though oblivion was created first.
Except in cases like the one I'm talking about, because artifacts found in the game Oblivion date back to THIS time period ( a little before, actually), causing its lore to set the tone for this specific case. : P0 -
wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I still cannot fathom why the Akaviri swords are not katanas or dai-katanas.
The swords that you find in Oblivion that come from this time period are all katanas..
It doesn't follow lore. : /
And also, they are ugly.
Oblivion was hundreds of years after this. How does this not follow the lore? This came first. It establishes the lore.
Um, Ruined Akaviri Blades in Cyrodiil (in Oblivion) came from THIS time period.
...which is why they are ruined. They came from the war that happened shortly before this game takes place, and that war is the reason that there is an Ebonheart Pact in ESO.
That's also the reason that Dragon Knights are in this game, as that is supposedly the martial art of Akavir that was adopted by the people in the time of ESO.
It stands to reason that there should be TONS of those katanas and dai-katanas floating around, as they were highly prized and THIS is the time period that they proliferated across the land.
That's why the ridiculous barbarian swords that are being called "Akaviri" in the data-mined weapons don't fit the lore of the times, or ANY TES game.
In fact, I'd challenge you to find ANY Akaviri sword from ANY time period that is not in the style of a katana, dai-katana, or tanto, aside from ESO, which for some reason decided that they didn't want to follow lore.
The Lord's Mail set that starts at Vet6 is like the one from the Morrowind quest line, Akaviri style and when I held the sword, it did look like a katana, so yes, there are katanas in ESO..:)
Edited by wenchmore420b14_ESO on April 24, 2015 4:55PMDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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WrathOfRegicide✭✭✭I just hope the ashlander armor isn't what bonemold armor will look like if we ever get that motif, because it has the resemblance of bonemold but just look plain and awful.0 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭WrathOfRegicide wrote: »I just hope the ashlander armor isn't what bonemold armor will look like if we ever get that motif, because it has the resemblance of bonemold but just look plain and awful.
If you want to see what Ashlander looks like then I think the "Red Mountain" set is ashlander style. Also, I think the Ashlander style is similar to what Angof wears. There are also some ashlanders in Shadowfen that wear it too. 3 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »I still cannot fathom why the Akaviri swords are not katanas or dai-katanas.
The swords that you find in Oblivion that come from this time period are all katanas..
It doesn't follow lore. : /
And also, they are ugly.
Oblivion was hundreds of years after this. How does this not follow the lore? This came first. It establishes the lore.
Um, Ruined Akaviri Blades in Cyrodiil (in Oblivion) came from THIS time period.
...which is why they are ruined. They came from the war that happened shortly before this game takes place, and that war is the reason that there is an Ebonheart Pact in ESO.
That's also the reason that Dragon Knights are in this game, as that is supposedly the martial art of Akavir that was adopted by the people in the time of ESO.
It stands to reason that there should be TONS of those katanas and dai-katanas floating around, as they were highly prized and THIS is the time period that they proliferated across the land.
That's why the ridiculous barbarian swords that are being called "Akaviri" in the data-mined weapons don't fit the lore of the times, or ANY TES game.
In fact, I'd challenge you to find ANY Akaviri sword from ANY time period that is not in the style of a katana, dai-katana, or tanto, aside from ESO, which for some reason decided that they didn't want to follow lore.
The Lord's Mail set that starts at Vet6 is like the one from the Morrowind quest line, Akaviri style and when I held the sword, it did look like a katana, so yes, there are katanas in ESO..:)
Actually, the Lord's Mail set is a recolor of the costume that you receive at V1, the Golden Saint armor. You can tell most easily by looking at the helmet.
The Golden Saint armor is not Akaviri-styled, it is actually a recreation of THIS armor from Oblivion:
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Saint_Armor
But yes, the Lord's Longsword is a katana. Here is a picture:
HOWEVER, here is a picture of an "Akaviri" styled great sword, which has always been a dai-katana in TES universe:
See what I'm talking about? That is NOT an Akaviri styled weapon.Edited by Varicite on May 1, 2015 11:51PM1 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭THIS is an Akaviri styled great sword. Not the atrocity above.
It should also be noted that Skyrim features Sky Haven Temple, an Akaviri temple built during the First Era (for comparison, ESO takes place in the Second Era, and Tiber Septim / Talos becomes Emperor at the start of the Third Era).
In that temple, you find a number of Akaviri artifacts, notably blades of this style that date back farther than the weapons available in this game. All of the Ruined Akaviri Blades in Oblivion also come from this time period.
Lore clearly supports that from the time the Akavir came to Tamriel, they have used this style of weapon. And even after the era that ESO takes place in, they continued using this style of weapon.
ESO is the only outlier that doesn't seem to follow lore, because... reasons. I guess.
What a complete and utter disappointment.
Edited by Varicite on May 1, 2015 11:48PM3 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WrathOfRegicide wrote: »I just hope the ashlander armor isn't what bonemold armor will look like if we ever get that motif, because it has the resemblance of bonemold but just look plain and awful.
You mean it doesn't look like a Star Wars stormtrooper outfit? :P0 -
Shaarizad✭✭THIS is an Akaviri styled great sword. Not the atrocity above.
It should also be noted that Skyrim features Sky Haven Temple, an Akaviri temple built during the First Era (for comparison, ESO takes place in the Second Era, and Tiber Septim / Talos becomes Emperor at the start of the Third Era).
In that temple, you find a number of Akaviri artifacts, notably blades of this style that date back farther than the weapons available in this game. All of the Ruined Akaviri Blades in Oblivion also come from this time period.
Lore clearly supports that from the time the Akavir came to Tamriel, they have used this style of weapon. And even after the era that ESO takes place in, they continued using this style of weapon.
ESO is the only outlier that doesn't seem to follow lore, because... reasons. I guess.
What a complete and utter disappointment.
I agree that the game could use a good Dai-katana, but I think ESO's akaviri swords are far from a travesty. ESO's swords fit perfectly with the artistic style of the akaviri, and they look unique compared to other weapons in the game. Not every akaviri sword has to look the same, in fact we should assume that they don't. Not every japanese sword is a katana, and not all akaviri culture is derived from Japan. In short,
(P.S., while a two-handed katana is a logical extension of the akaviri swords pre-ESO, techincally all dai-katanas in previous games come either from Morrowind or the Daedra, as demonstrated by Mephala's Ebony Blade in your example. Just a technical nit pick)Edited by Shaarizad on May 2, 2015 5:56PM0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not every akaviri sword has to look the same, in fact we should assume that they don't. Not every japanese sword is a katana, and not all akaviri culture is derived from Japan.
Perhaps you could provide some examples in TES lore of what you are saying? I don't know of any Akaviri swords in previous games that did not look like this, ever.
I also do not recall any of the scant references to Akaviri culture not being heavily influenced by southeast Asia.
Do you have anything at all to back up these statements, or are you simply being argumentative for the sake of it?techincally all dai-katanas in previous games come either from Morrowind or the Daedra
I'm not sure where you heard this, but that is not true at all. <.<
Dai-katanas have been found in every TES game except for Redguard, from Arena to Skyrim. They've been found almost wherever the Akaviri have had major battles in Tamriel, which is a lot of places. Notable places include Sancre Tor, multiple locations in Skyrim, and most especially Cyrodiil.0 -
WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Maybe they're Kamal-styled blades (IIRC the Dragonguard, Blades, and by extension their weapons and gear were derived from the Tsaesci Akaviri)?#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »Maybe they're Kamal-styled blades (IIRC the Dragonguard, Blades, and by extension their weapons and gear were derived from the Tsaesci Akaviri)?
The Akaviri that came to Tamriel were the Tsaesci army, yes. But there's nothing really to suggest that they carried Kamal weaponry, or left behind the weaponry of any of the other races on Akavir.
All we really have to go on is that in every appearance of a blade wielded by the Akaviri in the TES games, it has been an eastern styled weapon (Katana, Dai-katana, Wakizashi). We also know that these weapons have been found in every TES game, save for the spinoff Redguard.
There are numerous examples following this trend, and only one completely unexplained example that doesn't: ESO.
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WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »Maybe they're Kamal-styled blades (IIRC the Dragonguard, Blades, and by extension their weapons and gear were derived from the Tsaesci Akaviri)?
The Akaviri that came to Tamriel were the Tsaesci army, yes. But there's nothing really to suggest that they carried Kamal weaponry, or left behind the weaponry of any of the other races on Akavir.
I think you misunderstood me. I am suggesting that the datamined examples are Kamal weapons/armor. There WAS after all an invasion by same ~10 years ago game time; it would be relatively easy to come by after that. Whereas what we consider to be the traditional Akaviri weapons are the swords used by the Blades etc. which are Tsaesci in origin. Ergo, expecting them to match may be like expecting Dunmer and Argonian styles to be the same just because they're both from Tamriel.
Also, curious: are you including Dawnfang/Duskfang in your list of Akaviri weapon appearances? I do not pretend to be an expert in swords but I do not believe it is a katana or dai-katana.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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