How do you feel about the changes to Redguard and Orc armor designs

Therwind

I like none of the changes.

The new chest plates are horrid!! Has anyone seen the dominion light shoulders? They're 3 inches off floating in the air. Cheap and lazy AF. Sorry I wish I had a link, if someone could post a preview of this horrific site...

MornaBaine

I like the new textures/sharpened lines, but do not like many of the design changes

Villious wrote: »

I've been reading the controversy concerning the "boob window" for a while now. Now that I'm able to see side by side photos, I see what everyone is talking about.

I don't get it. The "boob window" was not very revealing. Why was so much offense taken that caused them to change it?

This is a result of the modern 'PC culture", and why we can't have nice things.

Actually, it's the result of a very (in my opinion) poor redesign decision where they quit making armors with a female torso and merely started "morphing" female armor over a male torso. For the full low down, see this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1

dodgehopper_ESO

Villious wrote: »

I've been reading the controversy concerning the "boob window" for a while now. Now that I'm able to see side by side photos, I see what everyone is talking about.

I don't get it. The "boob window" was not very revealing. Why was so much offense taken that caused them to change it?

This is a result of the modern 'PC culture", and why we can't have nice things.

My only complaint about them was their lack of utility. It makes no sense for armor to open up your vitals like that. As a case in point the bosmer tree climbing costume could exist as a 'light armor' if you want to call it that. It would make no sense to call it Heavy or Medium though. Not only is it just a cloth wrapping, it leaves lungs, neck, face and heart completely exposed. In other words it isn't actually armor. There's a realism issue here (or at least suspension of disbelief), that is part of what has made the Elder Scrolls series so cool with respect to nonsense that comes out of 300-pound-Two-handed-sword wielding, miniskirt panty-flashing characters in Japanese games. I appreciate the esthetic of the series that gave characters dirty smudges, and bald spots, and burn marks and scars and warts and the rest of it.

I do think that the weight of armor should effect mobility like it did in the older games though. It is somewhat bizarre that you can run faster in medium armor than you can in light. If you're looking at it logically, perhaps they view the robes getting in the way of mobility, but not all of the clothes are robes.

ChrispyRambo

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Give the boob window back to us!

I'd never win a battle with someone who had boob windows..."Chrispy how did they get you?" ......"Distracted by boob widows.....and they stabbed me in the back"......(last breath).

bloodenragedb14_ESO

I like none of the changes.

pandering, plain and simple

someone felt butthurt, and in typical fashion, someone caved

disgraceful

Villious

MornaBaine wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

I've been reading the controversy concerning the "boob window" for a while now. Now that I'm able to see side by side photos, I see what everyone is talking about.

I don't get it. The "boob window" was not very revealing. Why was so much offense taken that caused them to change it?

This is a result of the modern 'PC culture", and why we can't have nice things.

Actually, it's the result of a very (in my opinion) poor redesign decision where they quit making armors with a female torso and merely started "morphing" female armor over a male torso. For the full low down, see this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1

Reading the thread you linked, I bet your right. It's a result of an attempt to cut corners.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

I've been reading the controversy concerning the "boob window" for a while now. Now that I'm able to see side by side photos, I see what everyone is talking about.

I don't get it. The "boob window" was not very revealing. Why was so much offense taken that caused them to change it?

This is a result of the modern 'PC culture", and why we can't have nice things.

It makes no sense for armor to open up your vitals like that.

While I do completely understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying you're wrong, but I see it from a different perspective.

Cloth clothing would offer absolutely no protection against bladed weapons and arrows. So the open window, would not really be relevant. Now on leather and metal armor, it would make sense to have no openings.

Also, for people that argue 'realism', I just don't get that. We play characters that use magic, go invisible, have demonic pets, and slay fictional monsters. In my opinion, at that point, it's silly to draw a line at "your sword is too big". I know this is a matter of preference, and everyone has an opinion, and that's perfectly fine.

dodgehopper_ESO

Villious wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

I've been reading the controversy concerning the "boob window" for a while now. Now that I'm able to see side by side photos, I see what everyone is talking about.

I don't get it. The "boob window" was not very revealing. Why was so much offense taken that caused them to change it?

This is a result of the modern 'PC culture", and why we can't have nice things.

Actually, it's the result of a very (in my opinion) poor redesign decision where they quit making armors with a female torso and merely started "morphing" female armor over a male torso. For the full low down, see this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257543/important-update-zos-please-reconsider-your-decision-to-no-longer-make-female-light-armor/p1

Reading the thread you linked, I bet your right. It's a result of an attempt to cut corners.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

I've been reading the controversy concerning the "boob window" for a while now. Now that I'm able to see side by side photos, I see what everyone is talking about.

I don't get it. The "boob window" was not very revealing. Why was so much offense taken that caused them to change it?

This is a result of the modern 'PC culture", and why we can't have nice things.

It makes no sense for armor to open up your vitals like that.

While I do completely understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying you're wrong, but I see it from a different perspective.

Cloth clothing would offer absolutely no protection against bladed weapons and arrows. So the open window, would not really be relevant. Now on leather and metal armor, it would make sense to have no openings.

Also, for people that argue 'realism', I just don't get that. We play characters that use magic, go invisible, have demonic pets, and slay fictional monsters. In my opinion, at that point, it's silly to draw a line at "your sword is too big". I know this is a matter of preference, and everyone has an opinion, and that's perfectly fine.

That's why I said suspension of disbelief. When people are wielding 300 pound swords, dressed in miniskirts fighting Ogrish titans who tower over them and move at the speed of lightning... I don't know it just comes off ridiculous, especially when the 'magic' argument has the equalizer of everyone has it available to them, including the enemy who is often times 'better' at it. I'm fine with the clothing wearers existing, but I feel more comfortable with their solutions to be magical, it just fits the theme better, and historically the series was pretty good about that.

craybest

It's a sad event when people are mad because girl characters in a videogame are not showing skin anymore.
I have to say I?m pretty happy with how ESO handles armor for both genders, compared to other games where the male version makes you look like a refrigerator and the female version, a stripper.
I'm all for skimpier and more covered options in games, as long as it's both for males and females.

Lenikus

^

The necromancy is strong in this thread

Conquistador

The female body is a beautiful thing. Why is Zenimax trying to turn it into a male body? Idiots. It's simple, they don't have enough resources to maintain this game at a quality level. #tankincoming

Aliyavana

Why was this change even made into live it was better how it was tho can it be changed

Malnutrition

I like the new textures/sharpened lines, but do not like many of the design changes

Mannimarco, is that you??

max_only

We already have the necromancer class on these forums apparently. They need a nerf.

TheShadowScout

I prefer the new armor designs

mechengr7

I prefer the new armor designs

Wow, this is an olllllllllld one. Nj necro.

KeiruNicrom

I like the new textures/sharpened lines, but do not like many of the design changes

Necromancy is wide spread these days i see. Mages guild better start cracking down on this soon

Also #bringbackcleavagewindows

OlafdieWaldfee

KeiruNicrom wrote: »

Also #bringbackcleavagewindows

Only if I get bare midriff and bare arms (arm bears!) on my male chars!

Nyghthowler

Wow, this necro is so old it doesn't have any meat left on the bones...

Sigma957

Are we bored with current topics that this had to be dug up from one of the vaults lol.

Hearts_Wake

What are the pads called on the hips? Well whatever. Then need to fix them for pretty much every armor set and costume. They are either to big or just look out of place. Not the mention they aren't even attached to the toons. The emperor costume for example, looks fine from the front. From the back it looks okish, until you start moving. Hip pads flying next to you mimicking you ever move. And how the design team let this slide for so long idk.

Voxicity

I don't wear these armors, and or don't care that much about armor design

WARDEN CLASS CONFUIRMEDDDD?????WDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ElfFromSpace

I like the new textures/sharpened lines, but do not like many of the design changes

Wow.... I still badly miss the old armor as the NPCs in any redguard town look so absolutely HIDEOUS in the changed armor. So I still feel this is a thing that should be looked at to correct. But kinda funny to see the thread brought back up after so long. At least ZOS did finally give us some costumes to hide the shame of the terrible armor.

SilverWF

I don't wear these armors, and or don't care that much about armor design

I am absolutely do not care about ANY design changes.

Only game mechs is that what I care of.

Stania

Meh, I don't see the sexism on redesigning armor to look more like... armor. I don't need to go around (or see my female char go around) showing flesh to feel like a woman.

Also, as someone who has edited 3d models of armor for Skyrim, it's easier to simply copy and edit a "male" armor to a "feminine" shape than creating two from scratch or do it vice-versa. It's simply being practical and lowering costs and time, nothing that has to do with "OMG patriarchy".

Tyrobag

Holy necro 0_o

Rickter

inb4 the thread close because of necro

ElfFromSpace

I like the new textures/sharpened lines, but do not like many of the design changes

Stania wrote: »

Meh, I don't see the sexism on redesigning armor to look more like... armor. I don't need to go around (or see my female char go around) showing flesh to feel like a woman.

Also, as someone who has edited 3d models of armor for Skyrim, it's easier to simply copy and edit a "male" armor to a "feminine" shape than creating two from scratch or do it vice-versa. It's simply being practical and lowering costs and time, nothing that has to do with "OMG patriarchy".

Part of the problem is that it still doesn't look like "armor" real armor for women, for one thing, would never have separated breast protrusions, yet almost all fantasy armor does for aesthetics. If we're throwing realism and accuracy to the wind anyway, why should we put up with something that looks, bluntly, UGLY. Light armor clearly must get more protection from the enchantments than any physical aspects of it. The new light armor does not look like it would stop an attack any more than the old, but it looks like they were imitating some of the worst modern superheros.

The practicality of making everything off a male base verses 2 models may be true, but they have not done a great job of it. The male-female torsos often look barrel chested and awkward. Just put on the whisperwelf costume. What looks initially like a particularly playful and sexy costume has the effect ruined soon as a character runs and you are forced to notice just how un-feminine and chunky it really looks.

To those who don't care about appearance, you may as well go back and play some text based computer games. The LOOK and feel of the game is a huge part of why most players will chose a game like this. ESO stands out from other games based mostly on the looks and the depth of the game world. The lore, the expansiveness, the varied cultures. Nobody really is immune to having their game impacted by the appearance, so I don't understand why some trolls continue to insist that it doesn't matter simply because the particular changes in questions are ones they personally aren't using.

Necro thread or not, it seems there are people who still object to these changes 2 years later. lol