Provisioning Writs are lame.

Nestor

starkerealm wrote: »

Worst part, I literally just listed a green citrus malt recipe yesterday for 900. Might be in Windhelm or have sold already, though. The 10s and 15s go fast, when you list them.

You probably could have gotten a lot more for it. Volijars Honey Mead (I think) goes for 2,500. I have seen some rare greens for upwards of 5,000

starkerealm

Nestor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Worst part, I literally just listed a green citrus malt recipe yesterday for 900. Might be in Windhelm or have sold already, though. The 10s and 15s go fast, when you list them.

You probably could have gotten a lot more for it. Volijars Honey Mead (I think) goes for 2,500. I have seen some rare greens for upwards of 5,000

Yeah, I'm aware. I've got a bunch of the covenant ones in that range though.

I've seen a blue bear recipe go for 20k once. Once 1.6 drops, those will be getting a lot more common, though, so I'm dumping them while I can.

Woolenthreads

Durban wrote: »

I think it is obvious that the OP dislikes receiving as a reward for a writ, the exact same recipe that was required to complete the writ in the first place.

.... And what happens when you've actually gotten all of those levelled recipes and the server, having been reprogrammed to deny you recipes if you already have them, determines that you are due ingredients, money and a recipe? At least the recipes worth a couple of extra gold.

starkerealm

Woolenthreads wrote: »

Durban wrote: »

I think it is obvious that the OP dislikes receiving as a reward for a writ, the exact same recipe that was required to complete the writ in the first place.

.... And what happens when you've actually gotten all of those levelled recipes and the server, having been reprogrammed to deny you recipes if you already have them, determines that you are due ingredients, money and a recipe? At least the recipes worth a couple of extra gold.

That's not the real payoff. Once you hit tier 3 there are purple recipes in the drop table. So after you've done, at most 12 rounds, you're going to get nothing but purples for the next 6. Then it'll go nuts when it can't give you anything new.

phtony06b14_ESO

ZOS_ShannonM wrote: »

Hey folks,

We understand that not everyone is thrilled with provisioning writs as they currently stand, but we want to remind everyone that it's much more helpful to our developers if you not only state your opinion on them, but also provide a bit more detail on exactly what you dislike about them and provide any suggestions you have on improving them.

Thank you for understanding.

Come on Shannon. I think it's pretty obvious that he dislikes getting a reward recipe that he just had to use to even complete the writ. Maybe he should have added a sentence asking to not receive recipes as rewards that actually required you to have the recipe to complete the writ.

UrQuan

Nestor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Worst part, I literally just listed a green citrus malt recipe yesterday for 900. Might be in Windhelm or have sold already, though. The 10s and 15s go fast, when you list them.

You probably could have gotten a lot more for it. Volijars Honey Mead (I think) goes for 2,500. I have seen some rare greens for upwards of 5,000

I've been looking for that one for so freaking long! I can't even ever seem to find it for sale in guild stores. It's literally the only green recipe (currently) in the game that my provisioner doesn't know...

Islyn

UrQuan wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Worst part, I literally just listed a green citrus malt recipe yesterday for 900. Might be in Windhelm or have sold already, though. The 10s and 15s go fast, when you list them.

You probably could have gotten a lot more for it. Volijars Honey Mead (I think) goes for 2,500. I have seen some rare greens for upwards of 5,000

I've been looking for that one for so freaking long! I can't even ever seem to find it for sale in guild stores. It's literally the only green recipe (currently) in the game that my provisioner doesn't know...

Which server are you on? I can check recipeezer scrooge and see if i have a spare (I am EU server though)

*ETA Might be gone now, or?

Islyn

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I have gotten a good selection of rare recipes, L1 Blues for instance that I did not know.

What bugs me is being given a writ that requires a recipe that is rare, like 5000 gold for a L1 Green Recipe rare. The latest one is Citrus Mash (or something like that) the recipe is like 5K, if you can find it, and it take a Tangerine which is also not a common ingredient.

I mean, we are making essentially MRE"s for the troops, do they have to be so picky?

Unlucky. Mine are always variations on honeycomb and bervez - and I often get 10 penguins as payment which sets me up for more honey brittle:)

penguins lol

SHADOW2KK

Islyn wrote: »

I suggest that provisioning writs not give me recipes for stuff I just made in a provisioning writ.
There.

This

Plynkes

I've yet to complete one, as they always want me to craft things I've never found the recipe for, recipes that don't appear to be for sale in any guild shop I can find either. Can't seem to get on to even the first rung of this ladder, unlike in blacksmithing where I am now crafting things for writs that are way above the character's actual level.

Grao

ZOS_ShannonM wrote: »

Hey folks,

We understand that not everyone is thrilled with provisioning writs as they currently stand, but we want to remind everyone that it's much more helpful to our developers if you not only state your opinion on them, but also provide a bit more detail on exactly what you dislike about them and provide any suggestions you have on improving them.

Thank you for understanding.

And once again any negative comment in the Forums is only answered by Mods, never by Devs. That just means any suggestions that do sprout here will never make their way to those that can actually do something about the problems. Yay for increased moderation and decreased Dev participation!

As for suggestions that Zenimax will ignore:

- Rank up writs for those that already maxed the profession. High rank writs would ask blue, purple and even golden items to be made in exchange for a much better chance to get Gold Mats, Nirncrux and a lot more gold.
- Increased Exp for completing Ranked up Writs.

kevlarto_ESO

I do my daily writ, I wish it had a treasure map to a food storage room somewhere, like the other professions have, and where is my alchemy hireling.

Olysja

i really like provisioning in real:p i like the writs, the hireling, the buff, the craft all! used that skill from day one and it's way too perfect. tnx for the work behind its rebuild: )

daemonios

Provisioning writs are some of the lowest cost/highest reward writs. I'm swimming in purple provisioning mats from writs, and I've received some green/blue/purple unknown recipes from them. OP has an anecdotal experience of receiving an already know recipe, so what?

I'd change almost every other writ except for provisioning. Crafting writs especially use up a ton of mats, much more than you get back from writ rewards and surveys, though it's not as bad as it was in 1.5.

LordSkyKnight

Guys did you noticed the date on the original post. This thread of necroed. The provisioning writ with 1.6 is just fine. I get purple mats and recipes fairly often.

GreyRanger

I would think that building up writ credits that you could then use to select the recipe you need/want would be much more fun/useful/rewarding. The random drops are frequently a frustration/underwhelming. Much the same issue with undaunted pledges.

Flaminir

Grao wrote: »

ZOS_ShannonM wrote: »

Hey folks,

We understand that not everyone is thrilled with provisioning writs as they currently stand, but we want to remind everyone that it's much more helpful to our developers if you not only state your opinion on them, but also provide a bit more detail on exactly what you dislike about them and provide any suggestions you have on improving them.

Thank you for understanding.

And once again any negative comment in the Forums is only answered by Mods, never by Devs. That just means any suggestions that do sprout here will never make their way to those that can actually do something about the problems. Yay for increased moderation and decreased Dev participation!

As for suggestions that Zenimax will ignore:

- Rank up writs for those that already maxed the profession. High rank writs would ask blue, purple and even golden items to be made in exchange for a much better chance to get Gold Mats, Nirncrux and a lot more gold.
- Increased Exp for completing Ranked up Writs.

In 1.6 the standard provisioning writ rewards are now really good... the reward for time/mats invested is excellent now.

BUT... I love these ideas.... its something that could be applied across the board to all the writs... like with the normal/veteran daily undaunted pledges... we could have normal/vet (Or better wording) crafting dailies.

Create blue items (Or a tri-pot of some kind) to get better XP & a better chance at better rewards.

That would help address the issue of max level crafters questioning if they are worth it.

Chillic

ZOS_ShannonM wrote: »

Hey folks,

We understand that not everyone is thrilled with provisioning writs as they currently stand, but we want to remind everyone that it's much more helpful to our developers if you not only state your opinion on them, but also provide a bit more detail on exactly what you dislike about them and provide any suggestions you have on improving them.

Thank you for understanding.

I dislike crafting a monumental glyph for the top tier writ and get a green glyph lower than the crafting tier I am doing. How about we get a reward in the same tier we are crafting because it just makes sense.

Also, using 100+ nightwood to craft the writ requirements and getting 5 nightwood and an empty soul gem... dumb. I understand there is a chance to get something worth while but its a crap chance. Just not worth it and add that to the hirelings being gimped and you get something else in this game that I just don't waste time on.

Flaminir

Chillic wrote: »

ZOS_ShannonM wrote: »

Hey folks,

We understand that not everyone is thrilled with provisioning writs as they currently stand, but we want to remind everyone that it's much more helpful to our developers if you not only state your opinion on them, but also provide a bit more detail on exactly what you dislike about them and provide any suggestions you have on improving them.

Thank you for understanding.

I dislike crafting a monumental glyph for the top tier writ and get a green glyph lower than the crafting tier I am doing. How about we get a reward in the same tier we are crafting because it just makes sense.

Also, using 100+ nightwood to craft the writ requirements and getting 5 nightwood and an empty soul gem... dumb. I understand there is a chance to get something worth while but its a crap chance. Just not worth it and add that to the hirelings being gimped and you get something else in this game that I just don't waste time on.

I've started doing the writs again since 1.6 & found that while yes you do sometimes get a crap reward, the good ones more than make up for it. Overall its been extremely profitable & very quick & easy to do.

You just have to remember that its an RNG ride... so you'll get crap rewards somedays, but the bigger picture is you'll make more than you use by a long way.

CadenceRowan

I actually like the provisioning writs; sometimes the rewards are really good, sometimes only so-so, but overall it seems not too bad.

I do agree that getting as a reward the same recipe that you just turned in does not make a whole lot of sense. And it is frustrating sometimes to get stuck on a recipe that is hard to find; especially now since options for finding recipes are limited if you don't want to steal. Some of us really don't.

Spartacus_Mills

Chillic wrote: »

I dislike crafting a monumental glyph for the top tier writ and get a green glyph lower than the crafting tier I am doing. How about we get a reward in the same tier we are crafting because it just makes sense.

Completely with you on this one, since 1.6 every green glyph I've received from an Enchanting writ has been a VR1-3 or VR4-6 glyph, whereas I have to craft a VR10-14 one to get it. Also, it's a little bit annoying that the glyphs I have to create for the writ always need to use a Kura additive rune but never a Kude subtractive rune...

With provisioning though, since 1.6 I think every recipe I've earned from a writ has been one I didn't already know; might be a new improved probability feature, might be lucky RNG (I suspect the latter) but before 1.6 I don't think I ever needed any of the ones I earned from writs, so it's much much better for me at least.

I genuinely didn't know you could get asked to make food/drink for a provisioning writ that you don't have the recipe for, it's never happened to me. I did buy up most of the cheap green recipes soon after writs started up though, that might have helped.

Also, I find crafting writs are much better (i.e. cheaper) now that all the random weapons and armour lying around everywhere are actual proper white items rather than zero value/almost zero decon items that were basically only there for immersion, an emergency or maybe for someone fresh out of Coldharbor to kit themselves out with. Well they are useful if they have to be stolen, if they're not owned they're still zero value/almost zero decon mats like before, and not worth picking up. Just by looting around Belkarth's crafting stations and deconstructing everything, I've now started to build up a surplus of blacksmithing and clothing mats even once I do my daily writs. Not quite so much wooden stuff lying around, but still generally enough to keep me ticking over.

Rook_Master

Necro a month old thread at 3:00AM.

Nice.

daemonios

Rook_Master wrote: »

Necro a month old thread at 3:00AM.

Nice.

True, but I personally think writs could still be improved and I'm all for ressing dead threads rather than posting 5 new ones. My take:

- Provisioning writs could use more different recipes - right now I think you always have to make one of 3 foods and 3 drinks, rinse and repeat. The rewards seem nice - I've gotten a LOT of purple provisioning mats, at least 1 purple recipe and a couple blue/green recipes, most of which unknown to me;
- Alchemy needs a revamp, every time you need to put in 3 nirnroot or 3 cloud mist, and the only potions you ever need to craft are health/magicka/stamina. Booriiinng;
- Enchanting also needs a revamp, for the reasons already stated in this thread (the rewarded glyphs don't scale very well and the glyphs you need to craft are always the same and always require the same potency rune);
- Woodworking seems too expensive compared to clothing/blacksmithing. I vendor all my white/green drops and decon all my blue/purple drops, and harvest any node I come across, yet I'm always running out of wood but not cloth or metal;
- Blacksmithing/clothing writs seem reasonably balanced, though in my experience I've gotten far, FAR fewer clothing surveys than any other survey, and though I think you shouldn't always get a gold improvement mat, it's disheartening when all you get for the writ is a single white piece of gear or a single style/trait stone;
- All writs could give a bit more experience.

Islyn

Rook_Master wrote: »

Necro a month old thread at 3:00AM.

Nice.

Make a pointless comment on a month old post at whatevero'clock.

Significantly Less Nice.

(Also it is different times, in different time zones and it is my thread which I will necro if I like.)

Islyn

So since 1.6 I am liking the writs a lot better. Nice recipes, good mats, etc. I hope they come out with new recipes every so often just for flavour (pun lol).

All in all I am much happier now.

FadedJeans

If you have already maxed your crafting skill, is there any benefit to doing the writs?

tpanisiakb16_ESO

ZOS_ShannonM wrote: »

Hey folks,

We understand that not everyone is thrilled with provisioning writs as they currently stand, but we want to remind everyone that it's much more helpful to our developers if you not only state your opinion on them, but also provide a bit more detail on exactly what you dislike about them and provide any suggestions you have on improving them.

Thank you for understanding.

On the same topic, different writ:

There's something awfully disheartening about blowing through a half-stack (100) void stone ores and only getting a sardonyx.

RNG is RNG, I get that, but really, one sardonyx? Do the quartermasters hate me or something? I just crafted 5 daggers, 2 helms, 2 pauldrons to receive 1 sardonyx. Sadly, this isn't a one-off chance, this week seemed full of paltry rewards I would have been better off selling the stacks of ore (which I can easily sell 100 voidstone ore for 1200 - 1500).

FadedJeans wrote: »

If you have already maxed your crafting skill, is there any benefit to doing the writs?

I'm told you get a much better chance at pulling the high end crafting materials (like Tempering Alloy, Waxes, Roisins, and Frost Mirrins, etc., etc.)

Ourorboros

FadedJeans wrote: »

If you have already maxed your crafting skill, is there any benefit to doing the writs?

Opinions vary, but IMO, yes writs are worth doing even for maxed crafters (I'm maxed). The biggest debate point is whether it is worth doing the equipment writs. I would say if you struggle to get the mats to do the writs, those may not be worth it. They use a lot of mats for an iffy chance at good rewards. I do them since I am swimming in mats. I can afford to gamble. The consumable writs are a much better gamble. You almost do not need to farm ingredients for provisioning, the writs give a lot, as well as occasional rare or unknown recipes. Alchemy pays out better since it takes little to make the writ and you get flowers plus the occasional survey. Enchanting is the best way to get Kuta in the game now without farming aspect runes for hours.

edit: Also each writ gives gold and XP. Neither is huge, but I'm not gonna say no to them.

Nestor

Ourorboros wrote: »

edit: Also each writ gives gold and XP. Neither is huge, but I'm not gonna say no to them.

I have 6 characters that do Prov Writs, 4VRs and 2 L6 Mules. I combined the gold they had amassed from doing the writs as I never deposited it and had enough gold to take my bank from 210 to 220 slots. Since three of the VRs do 3 Consumable writs a day, 1800 gold X3 and, 600 Gold X1 and 200 Gold X2 every day adds up. That is 6400 gold a day, 12 days to get the bank from 210 to 220. Not to mention all the prov mats and recipes I have been getting.

newtinmpls

ZOS_ShannonM wrote: »

Hey folks,

We understand that not everyone is thrilled with provisioning writs as they currently stand, but we want to remind everyone that it's much more helpful to our developers if you not only state your opinion on them, but also provide a bit more detail on exactly what you dislike about them and provide any suggestions you have on improving them.

Thank you for understanding.

Things I like: fewer total ingredients, things stackable to 200, the existence of the writs in general (it's kind of fun for me).

As for dislikes, I will be specific: Four-Eye Grog. This is my recurring nightmare. The bane of my provisioner.

I keep getting it as a request for my low-level provisioner. The bloody recipe haunts me (often even when I discard quest and re-pull a writ I get it again ... and again ... for days at a time). I can't find the recipe. I have two accounts, so many characters and LOTs of guild contacts. My best friend/spouse also has two accounts, and many high level characters (and high level provisioners).

We can't find the recipe. Not in drops, not for sale.

We can't find any made "Four-Eye Grogs" not at an Inn, not in guild stores, no where.