1.6.1 Change to Ultimate - Good or Bad?

Perichor

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Apparently we should all join the zerg spam light attacks gain ulti use it and go back to the zerg...
Cannot understand what drove ZOS to this decision which makes absolutely no sense to me.
It's like the dont have have any grasp of the reality in pvp.
I guess if we all QQ hard enough we might be heard...after all they always seem to submit to qq'ers.

yea im sure ZOS just does whatever they want


im sure NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF ESO has ever said to nerf combat frenzy and look at that change lol so i think our QQ to zos has very little effect

it would be nice tho

if zos would have 1.5 live server and a 1.6.x+ live server

for those of us who dont want the change lol

but i personally will just embrace 1.6 and all its problems and nerfs

Asgari

Perichor wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Apparently we should all join the zerg spam light attacks gain ulti use it and go back to the zerg...
Cannot understand what drove ZOS to this decision which makes absolutely no sense to me.
It's like the dont have have any grasp of the reality in pvp.
I guess if we all QQ hard enough we might be heard...after all they always seem to submit to qq'ers.

yea im sure ZOS just does whatever they want


im sure NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF ESO has ever said to nerf combat frenzy and look at that change lol so i think our QQ to zos has very little effect

it would be nice tho

if zos would have 1.5 live server and a 1.6.x+ live server

for those of us who dont want the change lol

but i personally will just embrace 1.6 and all its problems and nerfs

Can't say I've ever seen a post or thread in the AvA section complaining that combat frenzy needs a nerf

Spangla

Worst change/Patch ever - Fact

GorraShatan

Sanct16 wrote: »

LazyLewis wrote: »

Everyone gains ultimate at the same standardized rate is amazing! Some personal passives and use of different skills/armour will be a variable of course but overall this change is amazing! Nightblades should not be able to gain 200 ulti in 5-10 seconds (in the right situation). This currently can also be done with certain spammable AEO's when you have good placement.

Besides the points above there will be no more super fast ulti gain where in certain groups who just fight with 1-2 AEO's 40% of the time and spend 60% of their time spamming healing springs (not to heal) to gain ulti.

Why is it amazing? Do you have any arguments?

The current System rewards skillful play / organization. With the changes done in 1.6 numbers will prevail. I think that is a bad change.

Out of Combat Healing Ultimate gain makes no real sense so I would be up for changing it. Maybe they should've removed certain ways to gain Ultimate and replaced it with the buff. Like crit, block, etc now grant the 3 ult / sec buff instead of giving 1 Ultimate. Then your Ultimate gain would just depend on how much you heal and damage.

The current system forces us all to stack crit though. I'm not sure I like the change they've made, but I can at least appreciate the problem they're trying to solve.

themdogesbite

GorraShatan wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

LazyLewis wrote: »

Everyone gains ultimate at the same standardized rate is amazing! Some personal passives and use of different skills/armour will be a variable of course but overall this change is amazing! Nightblades should not be able to gain 200 ulti in 5-10 seconds (in the right situation). This currently can also be done with certain spammable AEO's when you have good placement.

Besides the points above there will be no more super fast ulti gain where in certain groups who just fight with 1-2 AEO's 40% of the time and spend 60% of their time spamming healing springs (not to heal) to gain ulti.

Why is it amazing? Do you have any arguments?

The current System rewards skillful play / organization. With the changes done in 1.6 numbers will prevail. I think that is a bad change.

Out of Combat Healing Ultimate gain makes no real sense so I would be up for changing it. Maybe they should've removed certain ways to gain Ultimate and replaced it with the buff. Like crit, block, etc now grant the 3 ult / sec buff instead of giving 1 Ultimate. Then your Ultimate gain would just depend on how much you heal and damage.

The current system forces us all to stack crit though. I'm not sure I like the change they've made, but I can at least appreciate the problem they're trying to solve.

10% crit, popping ultimates no problems anyway

supernico

Changes to Ultimate generation we're needed mainly because DK is a beast at generating ultimates because well, many of its most used attacks are DoTs and AoEs. but this is definitelly not the solution.

Given the fact that after 1.6 all utimates will be generated in the same way, some of them shouldn't have been nerfed, some ultimates (Nova, Standard, Negate, Veil) should cost the same, even though they have different uses and mechanics. On the same page I don't agree with Veil of Blades nerf (60% self reduction to 30%) but it should cost 250.

On the other hand, and this might be a small detail, but generating ultimate with ranged light attacks it's not the same with generating ultimate with melee attacks. Ranged attacks have a bigger hitbox while melee attacks you have to be close to a target and can be avoided much easier. For some play styles this might be more difficult than it looks like. Resto staff on 2nd bar meta back? Heh.
Anyways, a much effective solution was a time cooldown.

Blood Spawn is OP as *** and will continue to be in 1.6, even nerfed. I'm really eager to get the set, I hope before 1.6 hits live to really enjoy it's OPness.

Overall, I don't like the changes. Some nerfs and buffs here and there we're needed but this is not the way to do it, an overthinked way.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yes it is a good thing it'll stop all the ulit spamming and may even improve performance. There called ultimates for a reason.

Sanct16

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes it is a good thing it'll stop all the ulit spamming and may even improve performance. There called ultimates for a reason.

They are called Ultimates because they are stronger than normal skills and can be used less often.

Do you have any other arguments?

supernico wrote: »

Changes to Ultimate generation we're needed mainly because DK is a beast at generating ultimates because well, many of its most used attacks are DoTs and AoEs. but this is definitelly not the solution.

Given the fact that after 1.6 all utimates will be generated in the same way, some of them shouldn't have been nerfed, some ultimates (Nova, Standard, Negate, Veil) should cost the same, even though they have different uses and mechanics. On the same page I don't agree with Veil of Blades nerf (60% self reduction to 30%) but it should cost 250.

On the other hand, and this might be a small detail, but generating ultimate with ranged light attacks it's not the same with generating ultimate with melee attacks. Ranged attacks have a bigger hitbox while melee attacks you have to be close to a target and can be avoided much easier. For some play styles this might be more difficult than it looks like. Resto staff on 2nd bar meta back? Heh.
Anyways, a much effective solution was a time cooldown.

Blood Spawn is OP as *** and will continue to be in 1.6, even nerfed. I'm really eager to get the set, I hope before 1.6 hits live to really enjoy it's OPness.

Overall, I don't like the changes. Some nerfs and buffs here and there we're needed but this is not the way to do it, an overthinked way.

All classes can generate Ultimate at about the same ratio. Saying that DKs would be able to do it faster is just completely wrong unless you have 20 people shooting projectiles at his reflect which might be the case in solo play when fighting noobs but not in group fights. The nerf to reflect would have made DKs far less tanky in 1vX and should have been enough to nerf DKs.

Panda244

Ultimate Gain Problems

Sap Tank Ultimate Gain
Dragonknight Ultimate Gain

Fix?

Lower Sap Tank Ultimate Gain
Lower Dragonknight Ultimate Gain

Solved.


But instead of doing that they horribly shredded everyone's Ultimate gain, and it still isn't balanced, because with the right build, Bloodspawn Set and blocking, with light attack weaving, you'll generate Ultimate faster than anyone else, as well as Templars and Nightblades having the better passives to generate Ultimate. Another problem I had with this change, Ultimates were never Ultimate to begin with, half of them do laughable damage, the rest may have some great utility attached to them, but they're absolutely worthless the second you use it because anyone with a brain roll dodges to the right or left and your "Ultimate" has been rendered obsolete.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

good. less ult spam is the thing im looking forward to most.

Sphinx2318

WRX wrote: »

The change to negate is really bad.

yeah i especially hate how negates now remove your food buffs and you will have to reapply them after every single negate.