1.6 And Why The Sky Is Not Falling

Berinima

I totally agree with you. I am just sticking around here because Camelot Unchained is still not in Alpha and I am bored.

RazielSR

Berinima wrote: »

I totally agree with you. I am just sticking around here because Camelot Unchained is still not in Alpha and I am bored.

Great. Do not lose your time here. I've lost a lot. Meanwhile zos will continue making money and releasing eso lives just answering what they want,plus moderators and neveranines will twist it all to fit zos decision,

Berinima

Well, they won't be making a single dime out of me anymore. No incentive to keep my subscription without them delivering content. And I don't get addicted to XP potions very easily.

/sigh

RazielSR

Wise decision.

Berinima

I know, right ???

Khivas_Carrick

The stroking on both sides of this fence has me shaking with antici.......



........pation.

RazielSR

If I could just return to january 14 and not be that naive to trust in zos,and then buy the box(well 1 box and one online) and be here since early access...how many lies regarding expansions,never going freemium,updates every 4-6 weeks,db and thieves guilds,imperial city,never cash shop...But well,Im a troll so...

Berinima

Well, I was still very happy with the game. To me PvP is the endgame and the PvP was quite fun. But then they introduced "optional" grinding activities like the Undaunted skill line or almost mandatory head and shoulder items. Content like Darkness Fa... errrr, I mean Imperial City was delayed over and over again which again, didn't strike me as bad as it could have.

But the grind they are offering with this patch is just ridiculous. It would have been almost alright if they would have delivered content with the same update or shortly after it. But my experience with the PTS is that this system is actually designed for the B2P model. People might disagree but I have been playing MMOs for a long time to get a feel what they are doing here.

I am still not saying that it can't be a good system if they listen to feedback I am just assuming that they won't. Well, let's wait and see. But don't say you don't have been warned (this goes out to ZOS and the people who are defending the system).

Khivas_Carrick

Oh I get the warning, but you underestimate how many petiole enjoy grinding XD

Bouvin

Joejudas wrote: »

we are all the same crazy people who called bull crap before they lied about undaunted exp, and tracking exp, and the 180 day thing...and everytime we were right. this issue is actually way more cut and dry...but some people dont want to lose their parking spots at zos headquarters i guess.

Well if they keep with the path they are on, pretty soon ZOS headquarters will be one of the dev's mom's garages and they'll have to park on the street.

Berinima

Nonono, I don't. I am pretty aware that many people love their grind. It can work, even for me if it's done right and they have the right mechanics in place to make it bearable. So far they just don't. This system has the potential to actually be good but it also has the potential to very much break the game because no one will ever catch up a few months down the road. It's not gated or tiered in any way. And that is NOT a good thing.

Feidam

The question I think to help berinima is how often will DLC come out. Yes they will not be adding updates to the game as frequently. However, does that include the DLC. A lot folks think it does, but have not heard anything specific to that regard yet. If we get a new DLC fairly regularly you have new content to explore while earning champ points.

Feidam

Berinima wrote: »

Nonono, I don't. I am pretty aware that many people love their grind. It can work, even for me if it's done right and they have the right mechanics in place to make it bearable. So far they just don't. This system has the potential to actually be good but it also has the potential to very much break the game because no one will ever catch up a few months down the road. It's not gated or tiered in any way. And that is NOT a good thing.

Maybe. I created a template character to do the quests to see how fast you gained CP. It was much faster than max character in my opinion. Only time will tell if this will make a difference though.

RazielSR

Berinima,my thoughts? Zos has officially said they are gonna slow the development. Even when console game was not out they didnt fit with their own schedule. Console players will have to first complete the content you have now ingame. First zone maybe 2015. The game will be completely f2p by then (no need to buy the box, as for the rest it is f2p from march on forward). Until then you will see many p2w items in the crown store.

Feidam

RazielSR wrote: »

Berinima,dont believe this. Zos has officially said they are gonna slow the development. Even when console game was not out they didnt fit with their own schedule. Console players will have to first complete the content you have now ingame. First zone maybe 2015. The game will be completely f2p by then (no need to buy the box, as for the rest it is f2p from march on forward). Until then you will see many p2w items in the crown store.

This is all tinfoil hat and fear mongering though. Yes they said development would slow down. Does that mean patches and DLC or just patches? The fact is we don't know. Now those that think it includes both could very well be correct. I can not and will not deny that. However, the other side could just as easily be correct. Only time will tell.

The constant fear mongering regarding the new system is getting old though. Yes they are going buy to play. Yes some people don't like this. I'm on the fence myself. It could be handled well or horribly. I'll have to wait and see.

Vahrokh

Berinima wrote: »

Ultimate gain changed a lot with 1.6 and I consider this as a good thing. However, the only difference I feel is that you can't gain ultimate with AOE bombing. If you simply "play" as you would have before the ultimate gain is actually almost no difference (minus AOE gain). While I also consider this as a good thing I actually don't see your point here. Ultimates are almost used just as often as your standard abilities before and after the patch. Again, minus AOE gain. Still, you are right here. It's a good change after all but not as huge as you advertise it in your post.

How is this a good thing. My main class role used to be to AoE stuff in trials. First they reduced the damage then the AoE radius and now the ultimate generation. All of this in the PvP name.

This is inch by inch AS awful as SWTOR, where they routinely butchered classes in PvE just because of a bunch of maggots crying about PvP.

Khivas_Carrick

Vahrokh wrote: »

Berinima wrote: »

Ultimate gain changed a lot with 1.6 and I consider this as a good thing. However, the only difference I feel is that you can't gain ultimate with AOE bombing. If you simply "play" as you would have before the ultimate gain is actually almost no difference (minus AOE gain). While I also consider this as a good thing I actually don't see your point here. Ultimates are almost used just as often as your standard abilities before and after the patch. Again, minus AOE gain. Still, you are right here. It's a good change after all but not as huge as you advertise it in your post.

How is this a good thing. My main class role used to be to AoE stuff in trials. First they reduced the damage then the AoE radius and now the ultimate generation. All of this in the PvP name.

This is inch by inch AS awful as SWTOR, where they routinely butchered classes in PvE just because of a bunch of maggots crying about PvP.

Idk about you but my guardian always whipped ass in both aspects of that game for its entirety

Vahrokh

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

This is inch by inch AS awful as SWTOR, where they routinely butchered classes in PvE just because of a bunch of maggots crying about PvP.

Idk about you but my guardian always whipped ass in both aspects of that game for its entirety

Well, guardians and maras are the DKs of SWTOR, that is the "Arms Warrior" of WoW (and GW2) legacy, that is the class that is so popular (= money) that it HAS to be easy to play and powerful forever.

Berinima

You are right. It is a little pointless to write such things over and over again. And I am saying that hating pretty much everything about 1.6 (justice system aside which will be a lot of fun to play around with - for a day or two tops).

But to be fair, this is only the reaction to many doubtful decisions ZOS has made in the past and several ones they have made with the patch. People that are still here care about their game. This is their way of dealing with the fact that ZOS is breaking their promises over and over again.

Arki

Berinima wrote: »

You are right. It is a little pointless to write such things over and over again. And I am saying that hating pretty much everything about 1.6 (justice system aside which will be a lot of fun to play around with - for a day or two tops).

But to be fair, this is only the reaction to many doubtful decisions ZOS has made in the past and several ones they have made with the patch. People that are still here care about their game. This is their way of dealing with the fact that ZOS is breaking their promises over and over again.

Agree with the part that those that are still here care about the game. But caring does not equal hating the changes in 1.6. Most of the people I play with enjoy the game AND welcome the changes. Not many of them bother posting about it on the forums though, they just play the game.

themizario

OP dumb

technohic

Vahrokh wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

This is inch by inch AS awful as SWTOR, where they routinely butchered classes in PvE just because of a bunch of maggots crying about PvP.

Idk about you but my guardian always whipped ass in both aspects of that game for its entirety

Well, guardians and maras are the DKs of SWTOR, that is the "Arms Warrior" of WoW (and GW2) legacy, that is the class that is so popular (= money) that it HAS to be easy to play and powerful forever.

LOL Haven't been there lately, have you?

Roechacca

It's just a game to some , to others it's their other world . You all may disagree but you're all wishing this other world was perfect . It's never going to be perfect for everyone and those that think it's perfect for them don't want anyone making it imperfect again . My opinion is the same . ZOS needs to change their PR and be more inclusive with the games audience and where this place is heading .

Berinima

myrbostadb16_ESO3 wrote: »

Agree with the part that those that are still here care about the game. But caring does not equal hating the changes in 1.6. Most of the people I play with enjoy the game AND welcome the changes. Not many of them bother posting about it on the forums though, they just play the game.

No, you are right. It does not. However, most of the people I play with hate the changes and find them utterly disguisting because they get the impression that they have been designed not to benefit the players but only with the B2P model in mind.

So, who wins the argument now? I'd say nobody. The changes divide the player base and they cause severe problems. You and your friends like them? Good for you. Do they still divide the player base and cause severe problems? Hell, they do! Has anyone rendered any points we are making invalid? No, they haven't. Is it therefore a healthy system? I don't think so.

Vahrokh

technohic wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

This is inch by inch AS awful as SWTOR, where they routinely butchered classes in PvE just because of a bunch of maggots crying about PvP.

Idk about you but my guardian always whipped ass in both aspects of that game for its entirety

Well, guardians and maras are the DKs of SWTOR, that is the "Arms Warrior" of WoW (and GW2) legacy, that is the class that is so popular (= money) that it HAS to be easy to play and powerful forever.

LOL Haven't been there lately, have you?

No, I quit SWTOR when I started playing ESO.
It's funny, because now some guild mates are going back to that game.

Hunterdan

I absolutely agree with this man. Good job OP.

Khivas_Carrick

Vahrokh wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

This is inch by inch AS awful as SWTOR, where they routinely butchered classes in PvE just because of a bunch of maggots crying about PvP.

Idk about you but my guardian always whipped ass in both aspects of that game for its entirety

Well, guardians and maras are the DKs of SWTOR, that is the "Arms Warrior" of WoW (and GW2) legacy, that is the class that is so popular (= money) that it HAS to be easy to play and powerful forever.

No, not for Guardians in PvE it sure as *** was not. It wasn't until this very last expansion did Guardians become truly good and viable and any point before that only the best could hang with the immense buttload of OP Slingers, Maras, and Sages. Nowadays it's Guardians and Troopers that I hear being all the rage.

*** posers.

But yea, not true dude, they may have been popular but that was their exact reasoning in actually making them weaker so too many people wouldn't play them.

Khivas_Carrick

Vahrokh wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

This is inch by inch AS awful as SWTOR, where they routinely butchered classes in PvE just because of a bunch of maggots crying about PvP.

Idk about you but my guardian always whipped ass in both aspects of that game for its entirety

Well, guardians and maras are the DKs of SWTOR, that is the "Arms Warrior" of WoW (and GW2) legacy, that is the class that is so popular (= money) that it HAS to be easy to play and powerful forever.

LOL Haven't been there lately, have you?

No, I quit SWTOR when I started playing ESO.
It's funny, because now some guild mates are going back to that game.

Also, I too did the same, for both ends. Way back when this game had even worse class balance and absolute *** time in Veteran Ranks, I quit ESO around VR5 and went back to SWTOR, and after farming nightmare mode DF and DP, I got bored and came back to ESO, leaving only to check out Shadow Of Revan, but ended up not staying as by then I come to admire the combat of ESO too much.

I love the system here, it's the best I've ever used, but it pains me that there isn't nearly enough content out there to truly let it grow in yet, but I can only wait as that will eventually change.

I just hope it changes sooner rather than later.

Alphashado

themizario wrote: »

OP dumb

kijima

It's difficult for me to see that a few people, and lets call them paying customers so it holds more weight, these paying customers are thinking if they make loud noises on the forum, stamp their feet, and try to incite others to see things their way and jump on the bandwagon to gather speed and resistance, they will in fact get their way.

These small in number of unhappy paying customers who have now become B2P customers, are worth nothing compared to the myriad of Xbox one and PS4 customers that ZOS stands to make a lot of money from, these are customers who eat up fresh titles for their consoles like Krispy Kreme donuts.

Not saying I like the changes, not saying I don't like them either. To me, ESO unlimited feels like a new game, and if I'm honest with myself to the point of being brutally honest, I feel a little uneasy about the CP system, and where I'm going to spend my 70 points for the most effect. I've played on the PTS and I just don't know what the hell I'm doing. But, this post isn't about that. It's about the futility of trying to change a business model because I liked the way a business used to do things... I'll explain.

I used to work at Ralliart, in Motorsport and this was my dream job. However, Mitsubishi pulled funds from the Motorsport budget, and almost overnight it was done. Hell, Mitsubishi don't even manufacture their hero car the Evo anymore. Car enthusiasts will know what I mean about this tragedy.

This didn't just effect my spare time (like ESO does) this effected my life, I lost my job and this was a job that I loved to do, I used to enjoy getting up out of bed each day and going to work. I don't think everyone can say that these days.

But, this isn't supposed to be a sob story about me, I'm sure many of you have similar stories or examples of favorite things in your life that have changed because a company decided to go into a different direction. It might be something as simple as they way your favorite drink used to taste, before someone in marketing decided they were going to change the way it tastes. I digress.

Is there a happy ending to this story?

Well, for me Motorsport was my life, and I had a wife and child that I didn't see all that often. Seriously. (sad and selfish I know)
I was always away at some location racing (my son's first steps I missed out on, because of some race, some where that I can't recall now, but missing his first steps will be with me forever) Now I get to spend time with my wife and family. That's the silver lining for me, I didn't know what I was missing.

Yes, it's a shame Mitsubishi decided to go and make electric hyrbid cars instead of rally monsters, but now I get to see my son grow up and be a part of his life, not just a dad by name and not much else.

I couldn't see what was coming when Mitsubishi pulled the pin, likewise you can't see whats ahead for ESO and how it will effect you.

Who knows, you might leave and find another game you like, you might stay and long term enjoy it more?

I've made good friends here with people, and regardless if my armour isn't what it used to be, or whatever else the masses are complaining about, I still get a chance to log in and have a few laughs while I immerse myself in the world of Tamriel with with friends.