Make Alliance Rank Account Wide?

Glory

Hi all,

This has been discussed before but is arguably more relevant than before due to the new additions to the alliance skill lines.

I personally feel that it would be nice if alliance rank was shared across all characters on an account, rather than on a character basis. Currently, players are punished for playing multiple characters in Cyrodiil as they are splitting their alliance rank across multiple characters. As it currently stands, the climb to top rank in PvP is considerable, so if you decide to play different characters you're making that climb extremely difficult.

Many of us have multiple characters we would love to play in Cyrodiil, but cannot because several alliance rank skills are extremely valuable (and will be even more so with Vigor, Magicka Detonation, combat frenzy, etc. becoming even more important). I would love to use Vigor on my newly VR sorcerer, but she is not Alliance Rank 10 although my Nightblade is.

I'd love to hear arguments for and against this, possibly other suggestions such as lowering the Alliance Rank requirement for these new skills.

newtinmpls

This completely ignores the folks that play in every alliance (or at least more than one).

On the other hand, I hate PvP (having 13 year olds jump around, swing at people and set off their ultimates in a bank is annoying enough) so this doesn't seem likely to effect my play much.

Elsonso

The main reason for this, as I see it, is that ESO is an MMORPG where character development happens. I know that they are making more and more things @player advancement, but until this game becomes the strangest MOBA that exists, I still favor individual and separate character development from a punt start to a glorious end.

Each of my alts, if they choose to have any involvement in Cyrodiil, has a separate path that they follow. This is not some RP thing, it is because I want to do different things with the game. This is best done with specialist characters.

There is a sense of accomplishment at creating multiple characters, each with a separately earned level, skills, Veteran Rank, and Alliance Rank.

It is not good to describe an activity as punishment if you are voluntarily doing it. Either the term is hyperbole just to get attention, or you are engaging in self destructive behavior. In either case, there is ample reason to stop doing it.

SoulScream

I would like more things to be account based so I support this. For me it's simply about gaining the highest rank. I feel obligated to play my main since he's the highest rank already. If my alts could contribute into gaining rank it would be great.

newtinmpls

SoulScream wrote: »

I would like more things to be account based so I support this. For me it's simply about gaining the highest rank. I feel obligated to play my main since he's the highest rank already. If my alts could contribute into gaining rank it would be great.

if that floats your boat, then go for it. I play my characters according to mood, need to craft for someone, or to explore (or re-explore) things I enjoyed. I'm happy the bank is account based, despite the fact that it limits my total stuff (I'm a terrible packrat - no - wait I'm really good at being a packrat).

Sasky

lordrichter wrote: »

It is not good to describe an activity as punishment if you are voluntarily doing it. Either the term is hyperbole just to get attention, or you are engaging in self destructive behavior. In either case, there is ample reason to stop doing it.

That's more hyperbole than OP's use of punishment. While some definitions do note pain, not all do. From m-w:
1. : the act of punishing

Which punishing:
1 a : to impose a penalty on for a fault, offense, or violation

In which case, OP is indicating there's a penalty for the 'fault' of wanting to play multiple characters in AvA.

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If they keep adding to the AvA tree (like they should), it's going to be even more prohibitive to play multiple characters in Cyrodiil and get the higher-end skill unlocks. Consider that end-game character progression is no longer per character. Champion points are account-wide, even for lower level characters. Why not extend the same model to AvA?

Orihara_Izaya

Especially with Champion points being account wide I think this is a good idea, it would definitely allow you to continue grinding towards higher ranks without having to be forced to play a single character.

madangrypally

I think AvA Rank should be account wide also, as well as a few other features.

Kilandros

It should absolutely be account wide. Given the extremely slow rate of progressing alliance ranks, most of us will never hit max rank on one character, let alone several. Open AvA to alts so those of us who enjoy playing different characters can do so without feeling like we're being inefficient.

Rank characters individually, but pool alliance ranks. This tech is clearly in the game since you can guest and earn points without improving rank.

Black_Wolf88

I welcome this idea and hope that they some day will make pvp rank account wide.
I have 3 vr characters and I only play pvp with one of them as the main reason I dont want to go trough the trouble to level up alliance rank on my two alts. too much trouble and too time consuming + I want higher rank and more skill points on my main.

OtarTheMad

This wouldn't be a bad idea but I do feel like it should be account based but with limits. It would only be tied to characters in the same alliance. It would be something worth testing, to see how it works, as my Sorc is PvP rank 23 and my DK is PvP rank 14... would be nice for those to be combined. I also wouldn't mind AP being account based with the same limitations.

Orihara_Izaya

OtarTheMad wrote: »

This wouldn't be a bad idea but I do feel like it should be account based but with limits. It would only be tied to characters in the same alliance. It would be something worth testing, to see how it works, as my Sorc is PvP rank 23 and my DK is PvP rank 14... would be nice for those to be combined. I also wouldn't mind AP being account based with the same limitations.

Same alliance is a good idea.

Kilandros

Orihara_Izaya wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

This wouldn't be a bad idea but I do feel like it should be account based but with limits. It would only be tied to characters in the same alliance. It would be something worth testing, to see how it works, as my Sorc is PvP rank 23 and my DK is PvP rank 14... would be nice for those to be combined. I also wouldn't mind AP being account based with the same limitations.

Same alliance is a good idea.

Same alliance is a great idea. I endorse 100% account-wide alliance ranks restricted to that alliance.

Recremen

Considering the game's been out for a year and that there are literally 0 people at maxed rank, I'd be all for this kind of a change. And mind, people had a chance to absolutely rake in AP when the game first came out and oil farming was a thing. Gods forbid someone reach max rank and then decide to play an alt. We'll never get that sweet orange/brown color. XD

Aeratus

Totally agree with making the rank alliance-wide for all characters within the alliance.

Kaghei

Please, please make alliance rank account wide.
Just the rank, reset the skill line for all i care. Zos have said they want players to see how well leveled in the champion system other players are. (so you can see if someone is stronger than you). The alliance rank can work this way if it is account wide.

Nallenil

I don't want to make a new thread about this so... BUMP. I agree with account wide ranks, I want to show my rank in non vet pvp =3

Cogo

Nallenil wrote: »

I don't want to make a new thread about this so... BUMP. I agree with account wide ranks, I want to show my rank in non vet pvp =3

This is exactly why there should not be any account bound. So some players are far more powerful then new players.

Consider ESO is a MMORPG. You take on a role of your character. It's not a Star Craft match where you pick and choose race every time you play.

Aeradon

Recremen wrote: »

Considering the game's been out for a year and that there are literally 0 people at maxed rank, I'd be all for this kind of a change. And mind, people had a chance to absolutely rake in AP when the game first came out and oil farming was a thing. Gods forbid someone reach max rank and then decide to play an alt. We'll never get that sweet orange/brown color. XD

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153136/crystalized-reaches-grand-overlord-rank/p2

I've seen a few Grand Overlords running around. Sure it takes months to achieve, as well as a dedicated group. But all that makes the person who owns the title worthy of equipping it.

Faugaun

Aeradon wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Considering the game's been out for a year and that there are literally 0 people at maxed rank, I'd be all for this kind of a change. And mind, people had a chance to absolutely rake in AP when the game first came out and oil farming was a thing. Gods forbid someone reach max rank and then decide to play an alt. We'll never get that sweet orange/brown color. XD

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153136/crystalized-reaches-grand-overlord-rank/p2

I've seen a few Grand Overlords running around. Sure it takes months to achieve, as well as a dedicated group. But all that makes the person who owns the title worthy of equipping it.

so.....make ranks above grand overlord and make it account wide...

newtinmpls

Kaghei wrote: »

Please, please make alliance rank account wide.
Just the rank, reset the skill line for all i care. Zos have said they want players to see how well leveled in the champion system other players are. (so you can see if someone is stronger than you). The alliance rank can work this way if it is account wide.

You appear to be confusing two things: CP and Alliance Rank.

xaraan

Because people have multiple characters in different alliances and you shouldn't be able to level up a DC guy, then make up a brand new AD character with max ranked AW skills. (No other skills level up account wide).

They've already said they are adjusting some of the skills in the next major patch to not be so impossible to reach without hundreds of hours of play.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

The main reason for this, as I see it, is that ESO is an MMORPG where character development happens. I know that they are making more and more things @player advancement, but until this game becomes the strangest MOBA that exists, I still favor individual and separate character development from a punt start to a glorious end.

Each of my alts, if they choose to have any involvement in Cyrodiil, has a separate path that they follow. This is not some RP thing, it is because I want to do different things with the game. This is best done with specialist characters.

There is a sense of accomplishment at creating multiple characters, each with a separately earned level, skills, Veteran Rank, and Alliance Rank.

It is not good to describe an activity as punishment if you are voluntarily doing it. Either the term is hyperbole just to get attention, or you are engaging in self destructive behavior. In either case, there is ample reason to stop doing it.

the game already has an account wide endgame progression system with the cp, its a skip and a jump to add alliance ranks

F7sus4

Aeradon wrote: »

I've seen a few Grand Overlords running around. Sure it takes months to achieve, as well as a dedicated group.

Or just to be a great-dark-leecher.

Tors

While we are at it, If I have a templar AND a sorc character, I fail to see why I should not be allowed to use bolt escape on my Templar.

I am being unfairly penalised here!!

As well as that, my level 10 only carrys over his 300 champion points. I feel that he should be allowed to have the use of the full 350ish skill points that my templar enjoys.

This is, I feel, balanced, maybe reduce his dps or somehting by 5%. Not for any reason other than it makes it seem like I have thourght out my post.

Hey!! While we are at it, why bother with any characters and any form of advancement. Just give me a single character with all skills and all skill points and max AP and max champ points.

Oh and a second character to use as a bank......


/sarcasm off

hamon

lordrichter wrote: »

The main reason for this, as I see it, is that ESO is an MMORPG where character development happens. I know that they are making more and more things @player advancement, but until this game becomes the strangest MOBA that exists, I still favor individual and separate character development from a punt start to a glorious end.

Each of my alts, if they choose to have any involvement in Cyrodiil, has a separate path that they follow. This is not some RP thing, it is because I want to do different things with the game. This is best done with specialist characters.

There is a sense of accomplishment at creating multiple characters, each with a separately earned level, skills, Veteran Rank, and Alliance Rank.

It is not good to describe an activity as punishment if you are voluntarily doing it. Either the term is hyperbole just to get attention, or you are engaging in self destructive behavior. In either case, there is ample reason to stop doing it.

so are we to take it from that response you would be ok with champion points only being applied to the character who earned them and not account wide??

if so you would utterly destroy anyone using alts .... and when folk stop using alts they tend to leave games much faster.

and it is self punishment if you use alts in pvp , you are willingly penalising your own progression. Now some folk choose to suffer that anyway. but here's the rub for every one who does there will be others who simply decide to stop playing if they are tired of one character but feel they would be penalised too much by having to lose months of earned ranks on a new character.

they realised this with the champion system, which is the only grind longer that alliance ranks in the game.

grinding a new character from start to vet 14 is nothng compared to the time investment to get allaince rank 10.

Elyu

We were discussing something similar with my guild last night.

The system as it currently stands indeed punishes people with multiple characters.

Although there should certainly be some restrictions, it should stand as:

Alliance rank is shared between all characters OF THAT ALLIANCE (so if you have 7 Aldmeri characters and one EP bag alt the bag doesn't get access to shiny skills. )

This account wide pvp rank is disabled in 'non vet' PvP (Blackwater Blade) or we'd see level 15 with magicka detonation!

But seriously, stop punishing people with alts, not fun.

Draxys

Elyu wrote: »

We were discussing something similar with my guild last night.

The system as it currently stands indeed punishes people with multiple characters.

Although there should certainly be some restrictions, it should stand as:

Alliance rank is shared between all characters OF THAT ALLIANCE (so if you have 7 Aldmeri characters and one EP bag alt the bag doesn't get access to shiny skills. )

This account wide pvp rank is disabled in 'non vet' PvP (Blackwater Blade) or we'd see level 15 with magicka detonation!

But seriously, stop punishing people with alts, not fun.

1) necro much?

2) they aren't punishing anyone, we are the ones who decide to make alts, I've got a couple too

3) I don't necessarily disagree with making alliance rank account based but it has to be alliance rank and total AP pool ONLY. We can't have a bunch of level 10s running around cyro with combat frenzy 2 and prox det without them earning it on that specific character.

Elyu

Draxys wrote: »

Elyu wrote: »

We were discussing something similar with my guild last night.

The system as it currently stands indeed punishes people with multiple characters.

Although there should certainly be some restrictions, it should stand as:

Alliance rank is shared between all characters OF THAT ALLIANCE (so if you have 7 Aldmeri characters and one EP bag alt the bag doesn't get access to shiny skills. )

This account wide pvp rank is disabled in 'non vet' PvP (Blackwater Blade) or we'd see level 15 with magicka detonation!

But seriously, stop punishing people with alts, not fun.

1) necro much?

2) they aren't punishing anyone, we are the ones who decide to make alts, I've got a couple too

3) I don't necessarily disagree with making alliance rank account based but it has to be alliance rank and total AP pool ONLY. We can't have a bunch of level 10s running around cyro with combat frenzy 2 and prox det without them earning it on that specific character.

The whole point of having alliance rank account (alliance specific) wide would be for the skill access.
You have to spend time to level up any skill line on any character but for certain builds pvp skills are needed in order to be effective.
You could just change the restriction to be VR chars only have access to account wide alliance rank skills.

redspecter23

Alliance wide skill unlocks would go a long way toward promoting alt characters, particularly on those that don't live in Cyrodiil 24/7.

It's still more of a band aid solution to a larger issue which is the intense grind to get to allaince skill rank 10 to unlock the abilities. If vet ranks are considered too much of a grind then surely alliance skill ranks are as well. No other skill line unlocks come even close to 1/10th of the time it takes to unlock alliance war skills currently.

The first big question is whether or not it's healthy for the game to have such huge requirements on each toon you choose to create. Outside of the "I did it so everyone else should have to" argument, I can't see the reasoning.

Draxys

redspecter23 wrote: »

Alliance wide skill unlocks would go a long way toward promoting alt characters, particularly on those that don't live in Cyrodiil 24/7.

It's still more of a band aid solution to a larger issue which is the intense grind to get to allaince skill rank 10 to unlock the abilities. If vet ranks are considered too much of a grind then surely alliance skill ranks are as well. No other skill line unlocks come even close to 1/10th of the time it takes to unlock alliance war skills currently.

The first big question is whether or not it's healthy for the game to have such huge requirements on each toon you choose to create. Outside of the "I did it so everyone else should have to" argument, I can't see the reasoning.

The grind to alliance rank 10 is not an issue. It's supposed to take a while because it's the only pvp progression we have.

Again, level 10s running around with combat frenzy 2 in the lowbie campaign is just not a good design decision.

If this is to happen, it should be total ap gained and total pvp rank.