Please fix the overpowered 1h+sh BLOCK

Cody

At the risk of getting 30+ LOLs, 1h and S is not the problem, its block casting in general.

Many magicka abilities can be block casted, while there are no(save for maybe hidden blade) stamina abilties that can be block and casted. Its kind of a magicka vs stamina issue
It also just makes the game boring:( Its not fun fighting a playerbase that has to block and spam crushing shock entire battles... put down the block and fight you cowards!!!:)

and lastly, its the fact that players can have both high defense and high offense at the same time. There is no risk you have to take in battle(unless you are a DK that recently just drunk some red bull and are using your wings against 20+ players) as you can just keep up your block while spamming your most powerful abilites behind the safety of the block. I myself dont see how people find satisfaction in that.



Its not just a shield issue, its a general issue. Your problem is with block casting/360 blocking, not just the shield line.

Cody

derpsticks wrote: »

I don't think blocking has been changed for a long time now. Why does this topic seem to come up all the time now?

People are using stamina builds now... so they have more stamina... to block, dodge, and run. Other things like break free and sprint cost are being reduced and players are experimenting with their builds.

If you want to hurt people while they are blocking try using some direct damage. Also try some ground based AOE. Blocking reduces movement speed. Want them to stop blocking? Throw a strong AOE on the ground and make them move, now keep doing that. Want to do more damage to them? Pick up an armor reduction / ignore armor skill/trait/enchant.

Are they doing too much damage? Try using shock based attacks. They proc concussion which reduces damage coming from those affected. Are they healing too much? Try a healing debuff skill or set or even an enchantment.

I'm also fairly certain blocking doesn't prevent bleed or poison damage from ticking. Go for a build that bleeds them down, makes them sickly so they can't heal, and AOE the crap out of where they are standing.

Actually, i do believe DoTs and bleeds are blockable:/ at least the first ticks

Nicko_Lps

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

So you mean that your templar sitting in over ur auras run out of stamina? good joke also with your OP blazing shield you dont even need to block most times classic L2P case.

STOP crying in the forum nerf this and nerf that,realize that you dont know the way to fight against the thing youre complaining about.

ASK people who know what to do and learn = unub urselfs and stop ruining the game with your eternal crying.

Kypho

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

Shunravi

Kypho wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

It's more like 10%, and you don't have to wory about regen or reduction gear. You can build straight damage and still sit above softcap with it on. It essentially is a toggle for insane burst or insane sustain.

Cody

Shunravi wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

It's more like 10%, and you don't have to wory about regen or reduction gear. You can build straight damage and still sit above softcap with it on. It essentially is a toggle for insane burst or insane sustain.

dont tell me you people are going to call siphoning strikes OP...... If you had any idea of the crappy survivablilty of the NB class, you would realize how foolish you sound calling Siphoning strikes OP. its not. trust me. There are worse issues about currently.

Shunravi

Cody wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

It's more like 10%, and you don't have to wory about regen or reduction gear. You can build straight damage and still sit above softcap with it on. It essentially is a toggle for insane burst or insane sustain.

dont tell me you people are going to call siphoning strikes OP...... If you had any idea of the crappy survivablilty of the NB class, you would realize how foolish you sound calling Siphoning strikes OP. its not. trust me. There are worse issues about currently.

I have played Nightblade practically exclusively in my time in ESO. I am well aware of what we are capable of.

I take extreme issue with your rating of Nightblade survivability. The sap and shield build, for example , can keep me up in a fight in PvP for a good long while. I have even outlasted dragonknights in my group.

In pve, I can have softcapped damage, and still maintain great dps (even while tanking) with it on. I can then toggle it off for burst at the beginning and end of the fight. Added benifit of Nightblade tanking is that you don't even care about stamina, so I just throw calthrops everywhere.

Iduyenn

"While you are blocking, your damage is decreased by x%. Incoming damage is reduced by x%"


Fixed

OrphanHelgen

tplink3r1 wrote: »

it seems people want to kill melee builds.

Yeah, and they complain when getting "one shotted" by a bow. Hey I have an idea. Lets give all classes and races 1 million HP and fight without weapons. It would be fun they said.

Cody

Shunravi wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

It's more like 10%, and you don't have to wory about regen or reduction gear. You can build straight damage and still sit above softcap with it on. It essentially is a toggle for insane burst or insane sustain.

dont tell me you people are going to call siphoning strikes OP...... If you had any idea of the crappy survivablilty of the NB class, you would realize how foolish you sound calling Siphoning strikes OP. its not. trust me. There are worse issues about currently.

I have played Nightblade practically exclusively in my time in ESO. I am well aware of what we are capable of.

I take extreme issue with your rating of Nightblade survivability. The sap and shield build, for example , can keep me up in a fight in PvP for a good long while. I have even outlasted dragonknights in my group.

In pve, I can have softcapped damage, and still maintain great dps (even while tanking) with it on. I can then toggle it off for burst at the beginning and end of the fight. Added benifit of Nightblade tanking is that you don't even care about stamina, so I just throw calthrops everywhere.

If only we all used a shield.

I tried a shield build once, could not get into it:(

Xsorus

Cody wrote: »

At the risk of getting 30+ LOLs, 1h and S is not the problem, its block casting in general.

Many magicka abilities can be block casted, while there are no(save for maybe hidden blade) stamina abilties that can be block and casted. Its kind of a magicka vs stamina issue
It also just makes the game boring:( Its not fun fighting a playerbase that has to block and spam crushing shock entire battles... put down the block and fight you cowards!!!:)

and lastly, its the fact that players can have both high defense and high offense at the same time. There is no risk you have to take in battle(unless you are a DK that recently just drunk some red bull and are using your wings against 20+ players) as you can just keep up your block while spamming your most powerful abilites behind the safety of the block. I myself dont see how people find satisfaction in that.



Its not just a shield issue, its a general issue. Your problem is with block casting/360 blocking, not just the shield line.

Umm you can use most of the stamina abilities in the game while blocking, I think the only ones you can't use are wrecking blow, snipe and maybe steel tornado

Cody

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

At the risk of getting 30+ LOLs, 1h and S is not the problem, its block casting in general.

Many magicka abilities can be block casted, while there are no(save for maybe hidden blade) stamina abilties that can be block and casted. Its kind of a magicka vs stamina issue
It also just makes the game boring:( Its not fun fighting a playerbase that has to block and spam crushing shock entire battles... put down the block and fight you cowards!!!:)

and lastly, its the fact that players can have both high defense and high offense at the same time. There is no risk you have to take in battle(unless you are a DK that recently just drunk some red bull and are using your wings against 20+ players) as you can just keep up your block while spamming your most powerful abilites behind the safety of the block. I myself dont see how people find satisfaction in that.



Its not just a shield issue, its a general issue. Your problem is with block casting/360 blocking, not just the shield line.

you can use most of the stamina abilities in the game while blocking, I think the only ones you can't use are wrecking blow, snipe and maybe steel tornado

really? I dont recall that being true at all..... and iv PvPed since the beginning of Hopesfire.

did something change recently I am unaware of? Iv charged countless archers spamming venom arrow/poison injection and they were never blocking.... same for many melee abilties.

That, or I have just not noticed them blocking.

Yusuf

Nerf Entropy! It deals way too much damage and heals for way too much.

Your thread makes about as much sense as this.

AltusVenifus

tplink3r1 wrote: »

it seems people want to kill melee builds.[/quot

Sword and Bored is not a melee build on PVP, it is a block casters build, with invasion on the bar... it needs to go... I use it too because it is so OP. I know it will change gameplay, but it still needs to go.

AltusVenifus

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

NB never use that crap skill BTW... 22% reduction in damage... come on... fix that already as well.

Apokh

Nerf Destro Staff...
Every honk runs around with light armor and staff now.

Sharee

Iduyenn wrote: »

"While you are blocking, your damage is decreased by x%. Incoming damage is reduced by x%"

That's not a bad idea, actually.

An alternative would be handling block the same way as sprint (while you do it all your abilities are grayed out)

Rune_Relic

Sharee wrote: »

Iduyenn wrote: »

"While you are blocking, your damage is decreased by x%. Incoming damage is reduced by x%"

That's not a bad idea, actually.

An alternative would be handling block the same way as sprint (while you do it all your abilities are grayed out)

Either works for me. I am 1h+s & bow and always have been and have no issue with this at all.

TheLaw

Wut.....

Xexpo

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

I realize explaining basic game mechanics to most of you is pointless, because you're going to continue to die because you're not willing to learn how to play.

But removing Block casting would simply force everyone into Shield Stacking builds....Now I realize some of you will say something completely dumb like "Well they stack shields right now and block" completely ignoring the fact that its pretty much a waste of stamina in terms of damage reduction (mainly its done for CC immunity) because Shields absorbing damage isn't reduced by Blocking (Meaning its a waste)

Anyway, Blocking is pretty much one of the few things in this game that allows the TTK not to be less then 3 bloody seconds in anything greater then a 1v1.

So in closing, L2P already..

Man you must get tired of explaining this in every thread about block nerfing
Keep up the good work!

Xsorus

Cody wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

At the risk of getting 30+ LOLs, 1h and S is not the problem, its block casting in general.

Many magicka abilities can be block casted, while there are no(save for maybe hidden blade) stamina abilties that can be block and casted. Its kind of a magicka vs stamina issue
It also just makes the game boring:( Its not fun fighting a playerbase that has to block and spam crushing shock entire battles... put down the block and fight you cowards!!!:)

and lastly, its the fact that players can have both high defense and high offense at the same time. There is no risk you have to take in battle(unless you are a DK that recently just drunk some red bull and are using your wings against 20+ players) as you can just keep up your block while spamming your most powerful abilites behind the safety of the block. I myself dont see how people find satisfaction in that.



Its not just a shield issue, its a general issue. Your problem is with block casting/360 blocking, not just the shield line.

you can use most of the stamina abilities in the game while blocking, I think the only ones you can't use are wrecking blow, snipe and maybe steel tornado

really? I dont recall that being true at all..... and iv PvPed since the beginning of Hopesfire.

did something change recently I am unaware of? Iv charged countless archers spamming venom arrow/poison injection and they were never blocking.... same for many melee abilties.

That, or I have just not noticed them blocking.

You don't see people doing it a lot mainly because if you're spamming Stamina abilities and blocking at the same time, you will run out fairly quickly of stamina.

If you want a good example of seeing it in PvP....next time you charge hold block while you do it...

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO

Shunravi wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

It's more like 10%, and you don't have to wory about regen or reduction gear. You can build straight damage and still sit above softcap with it on. It essentially is a toggle for insane burst or insane sustain.

No actually its like 22%. Have you even played a NB? Broken down just the raw numbers?

As a Redgaurd NB, my soft cap on my spell damage is 190. With siphoning attacks toggled on my spell damage drops to 149. And the difference can be easily noticed on the FTC display in game. Not to mention people don't die as fast.

I usually turn the siphoning attacks on and off during fights to get better burst DPS.
How often depends on how many people are hitting me and how much I can maintain my resources.

And as other people have said, if you can't realize that all you have to do is stay away from someone who is blocking and hitting with AOE's, and AOE them dow. L2P!!

Shunravi

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

It's more like 10%, and you don't have to wory about regen or reduction gear. You can build straight damage and still sit above softcap with it on. It essentially is a toggle for insane burst or insane sustain.

No actually its like 22%. Have you even played a NB? Broken down just the raw numbers?

As a Redgaurd NB, my soft cap on my spell damage is 190. With siphoning attacks toggled on my spell damage drops to 149. And the difference can be easily noticed on the FTC display in game. Not to mention people don't die as fast.

I usually turn the siphoning attacks on and off during fights to get better burst DPS.
How often depends on how many people are hitting me and how much I can maintain my resources.

And as other people have said, if you can't realize that all you have to do is stay away from someone who is blocking and hitting with AOE's, and AOE them dow. L2P!!

Yes, yes I have. In fact, I just recalculated it using ftc numbers.Damage is calculated from both spell damage and your magic pool. When this is taken into account, the overall reduction is closer to 10-15%. yes, things die slower, but not 22% slower. Damage is more than just your spell damage stat.

But yes, I do agree with toggling it on and off to be effective with it.

And seriously people, if they are blocking, they are likely standing their ground and aoeing. Just stay back and they are not nearly as effective.

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO

Did you test it against the very same type of enemy every time?. When I did it to mudcrabs to test just the base numbers IE, no block mitigation or spell resist. My numbers were spot on.

Cody

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

At the risk of getting 30+ LOLs, 1h and S is not the problem, its block casting in general.

Many magicka abilities can be block casted, while there are no(save for maybe hidden blade) stamina abilties that can be block and casted. Its kind of a magicka vs stamina issue
It also just makes the game boring:( Its not fun fighting a playerbase that has to block and spam crushing shock entire battles... put down the block and fight you cowards!!!:)

and lastly, its the fact that players can have both high defense and high offense at the same time. There is no risk you have to take in battle(unless you are a DK that recently just drunk some red bull and are using your wings against 20+ players) as you can just keep up your block while spamming your most powerful abilites behind the safety of the block. I myself dont see how people find satisfaction in that.



Its not just a shield issue, its a general issue. Your problem is with block casting/360 blocking, not just the shield line.

you can use most of the stamina abilities in the game while blocking, I think the only ones you can't use are wrecking blow, snipe and maybe steel tornado

really? I dont recall that being true at all..... and iv PvPed since the beginning of Hopesfire.

did something change recently I am unaware of? Iv charged countless archers spamming venom arrow/poison injection and they were never blocking.... same for many melee abilties.

That, or I have just not noticed them blocking.

You don't see people doing it a lot mainly because if you're spamming Stamina abilities and blocking at the same time, you will run out fairly quickly of stamina.

If you want a good example of seeing it in PvP....next time you charge hold block while you do it...

well then its still a magicka v stamina issue, seeing as how you also have to sacrifice stamina for blocking and rolling as well.

This issue just has a load of problems in it, i'm just going to observe this thread and see what people say from now on.

Shunravi

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote: »

Did you test it against the very same type of enemy every time?. When I did it to mudcrabs to test just the base numbers IE, no block mitigation or spell resist. My numbers were spot on.

Yes. Three independent tests. Each performed on the same mob type for each test. One was mudcrabs, one was lurchers, and one was gargoyles. My numbers were spot in as well. I was very thorough. then I performed subjective testing through instances and compared dps.

The biggest disparaty I was able to achieve was 17%, and that was on my tank gear.

Edit: Now, this does not mean I am necessarily right, but in all my tests I have not seen the full 22% apply. I'm not trying to advocate for this skill being op or anything, I have just tested something different.

Xsorus

Cody wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

At the risk of getting 30+ LOLs, 1h and S is not the problem, its block casting in general.

Many magicka abilities can be block casted, while there are no(save for maybe hidden blade) stamina abilties that can be block and casted. Its kind of a magicka vs stamina issue
It also just makes the game boring:( Its not fun fighting a playerbase that has to block and spam crushing shock entire battles... put down the block and fight you cowards!!!:)

and lastly, its the fact that players can have both high defense and high offense at the same time. There is no risk you have to take in battle(unless you are a DK that recently just drunk some red bull and are using your wings against 20+ players) as you can just keep up your block while spamming your most powerful abilites behind the safety of the block. I myself dont see how people find satisfaction in that.



Its not just a shield issue, its a general issue. Your problem is with block casting/360 blocking, not just the shield line.

you can use most of the stamina abilities in the game while blocking, I think the only ones you can't use are wrecking blow, snipe and maybe steel tornado

really? I dont recall that being true at all..... and iv PvPed since the beginning of Hopesfire.

did something change recently I am unaware of? Iv charged countless archers spamming venom arrow/poison injection and they were never blocking.... same for many melee abilties.

That, or I have just not noticed them blocking.

You don't see people doing it a lot mainly because if you're spamming Stamina abilities and blocking at the same time, you will run out fairly quickly of stamina.

If you want a good example of seeing it in PvP....next time you charge hold block while you do it...

well then its still a magicka v stamina issue, seeing as how you also have to sacrifice stamina for blocking and rolling as well.

This issue just has a load of problems in it, i'm just going to observe this thread and see what people say from now on.

Well if you are stamina base you wear medium which reduces the cost of stamina abilities and rolling, so it's not to bad, I run high stamina recovery and don't have issues.

Cody

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

At the risk of getting 30+ LOLs, 1h and S is not the problem, its block casting in general.

Many magicka abilities can be block casted, while there are no(save for maybe hidden blade) stamina abilties that can be block and casted. Its kind of a magicka vs stamina issue
It also just makes the game boring:( Its not fun fighting a playerbase that has to block and spam crushing shock entire battles... put down the block and fight you cowards!!!:)

and lastly, its the fact that players can have both high defense and high offense at the same time. There is no risk you have to take in battle(unless you are a DK that recently just drunk some red bull and are using your wings against 20+ players) as you can just keep up your block while spamming your most powerful abilites behind the safety of the block. I myself dont see how people find satisfaction in that.



Its not just a shield issue, its a general issue. Your problem is with block casting/360 blocking, not just the shield line.

you can use most of the stamina abilities in the game while blocking, I think the only ones you can't use are wrecking blow, snipe and maybe steel tornado

really? I dont recall that being true at all..... and iv PvPed since the beginning of Hopesfire.

did something change recently I am unaware of? Iv charged countless archers spamming venom arrow/poison injection and they were never blocking.... same for many melee abilties.

That, or I have just not noticed them blocking.

You don't see people doing it a lot mainly because if you're spamming Stamina abilities and blocking at the same time, you will run out fairly quickly of stamina.

If you want a good example of seeing it in PvP....next time you charge hold block while you do it...

well then its still a magicka v stamina issue, seeing as how you also have to sacrifice stamina for blocking and rolling as well.

This issue just has a load of problems in it, i'm just going to observe this thread and see what people say from now on.

Well if you are stamina base you wear medium which reduces the cost of stamina abilities and rolling, so it's not to bad, I run high stamina recovery and don't have issues.

only when i have to constanly roll out of talons do i have a probelm expending too much stamina by rolling.

dang Dragonknights:D

Iduyenn

Look... Just make it, so that tanks have the best use of s+b.
And dont nerv it, only because some ppl combine it with damage.

The philosophy should be, that you do Less damage, but have Great surviability.

If you want more surviability as a dd use Defensive skills and Heavy armor.

And plz ppl; we are Talking about relativity and effectiveness.

And dont say we have no Trinity in this game.
Even in old mmos you tried to be an all-in-one healin tank cc support dd for pvp.

Shunravi

Cody wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Block casting is abused by
1. Dk;s - a passive that returns stamina per use of any earth skill
2. Night blades- siphoning 10% chance to return stam and magicka.

Its not block casting because everyone runs outa of stamina. However those things mentioned above, allow your to serious milk blocking for a longtime. L2P btw.

Siphoning is OP... just you forgot, the 22% less damage... lolchemicals

It's more like 10%, and you don't have to wory about regen or reduction gear. You can build straight damage and still sit above softcap with it on. It essentially is a toggle for insane burst or insane sustain.

dont tell me you people are going to call siphoning strikes OP...... If you had any idea of the crappy survivablilty of the NB class, you would realize how foolish you sound calling Siphoning strikes OP. its not. trust me. There are worse issues about currently.

I have played Nightblade practically exclusively in my time in ESO. I am well aware of what we are capable of.

I take extreme issue with your rating of Nightblade survivability. The sap and shield build, for example , can keep me up in a fight in PvP for a good long while. I have even outlasted dragonknights in my group.

In pve, I can have softcapped damage, and still maintain great dps (even while tanking) with it on. I can then toggle it off for burst at the beginning and end of the fight. Added benifit of Nightblade tanking is that you don't even care about stamina, so I just throw calthrops everywhere.

If only we all used a shield.

I tried a shield build once, could not get into it:(

Yea, annoying isn't it? I don't like it, but it works.

I prefer an evasive playstyle personally, one that uses distance and positioning to survive. Ofc, this style does not really work in large engagements. But sap spam does.

Thing is, its also easy enough to counter. Just stand out of range for a bit. Which is also a direct address to the OP, spread out, and wear out their stamina so their block drops. Easy enough.