Vicious Serpent Set - Is it too strong?
Gyudan
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The new VR14 medium drop from completing Sanctum Ophidia: Vicious Serpent
Total:
- 8% Weapon Critical
- 22 Weapon Damage
- 8% Reduced Stamina Cost for abilities
- Increased movement speed after killing an enemy
- Restore 200 stamina upon killing an enemy
- Better enchantment that anywhere else (VR14 legendary infused with legendary glyph currently grants 116 Max Stamina, while this item already gives 121 at epic level)
Some craftable sets for stamina users:
Hunding's Rage
Total:
- 8% Weapon Critical
- 28 Weapon damage
- 91 Max Stamina
Ashen Grip
Total:
- 4% Weapon Critical
- 17 Weapon Damage
- 136 Max Health
- 10% chance to breathe fire for 106 damage on melee hits (capped every 4 seconds)
An equivalent for the 8% cost reduction in the magicka world: Seducer
Total:
- 8% Reduced Magicka Cost for abilities
- 94 Max Magicka
- 24 Magicka Recovery
My concern is that this set will become the only valid choice for stamina DPS. It is far too superior to craftable sets to use anything else.
Only stamina PVPers will still use crafted gear to keep the Impenetrable trait.
Of course this set is bound on pickup and won't endanger the "economy" immediately, but as weeks go by, it will enventually become the common gear for all stamina users in PVE.
I understand that rare drops should be strong, but this is simply too much imho.
What do you think?
Edited by Gyudan on November 29, 2014 2:57PM Total:
- 8% Weapon Critical
- 22 Weapon Damage
- 8% Reduced Stamina Cost for abilities
- Increased movement speed after killing an enemy
- Restore 200 stamina upon killing an enemy
- Better enchantment that anywhere else (VR14 legendary infused with legendary glyph currently grants 116 Max Stamina, while this item already gives 121 at epic level)
Some craftable sets for stamina users:
Hunding's Rage
Total:
- 8% Weapon Critical
- 28 Weapon damage
- 91 Max Stamina
Ashen Grip
Total:
- 4% Weapon Critical
- 17 Weapon Damage
- 136 Max Health
- 10% chance to breathe fire for 106 damage on melee hits (capped every 4 seconds)
An equivalent for the 8% cost reduction in the magicka world: Seducer
Total:
- 8% Reduced Magicka Cost for abilities
- 94 Max Magicka
- 24 Magicka Recovery
My concern is that this set will become the only valid choice for stamina DPS. It is far too superior to craftable sets to use anything else.
Only stamina PVPers will still use crafted gear to keep the Impenetrable trait.
Of course this set is bound on pickup and won't endanger the "economy" immediately, but as weeks go by, it will enventually become the common gear for all stamina users in PVE.
I understand that rare drops should be strong, but this is simply too much imho.
What do you think?
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Vicious Serpent Set - Is it too strong? 246 votes
Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.
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79 votes
No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.Um, it's 4% critical on the vicious serpent set not 8%.
But it does seem overpowered (yes, I get it's supposed to be a reward for a difficult challenge, but even so).Edited by AlexDougherty on November 30, 2014 10:51AMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.
Check again, there are 2 different 4% weapon critical bonuses. 2*4=8% as far as I know.AlexDougherty wrote: »Um, it's 4% critical on the vicious serpent set not 8%.
But it does seem overpowered (yes, I get it's supposed to be a reward for a difficult challenge, but even so).
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✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Um, it's 4% critical on the vicious serpent set not 8%.
But it does seem overpowered (yes, I get it's supposed to be a reward for a difficult challenge, but even so).
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ThatHappyCat✭✭✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.I don't necessarily think it's OP, but it's really messy. Feels like two sets jammed into one.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually bugged and is meant to be two separate sets.Edited by ThatHappyCat on November 29, 2014 3:07PM2 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.ThatHappyCat wrote: »I don't necessarily think it's OP, but it's really messy. Feels like two sets jammed into one.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually bugged and is meant to be two separate sets.
It's based on the Quick Serpent set from the VR12 trials, which was already quite good:
They buffed it for Sanctum Ophidia drops.Edited by Gyudan on November 29, 2014 3:14PMWololo.0 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.
Check again, there are 2 different 4% weapon critical bonuses. 2*4=8% as far as I know.AlexDougherty wrote: »Um, it's 4% critical on the vicious serpent set not 8%.
But it does seem overpowered (yes, I get it's supposed to be a reward for a difficult challenge, but even so).AlexDougherty wrote: »Um, it's 4% critical on the vicious serpent set not 8%.
But it does seem overpowered (yes, I get it's supposed to be a reward for a difficult challenge, but even so).
4% two times
Yeah, thanks, I missed the second one, :wipes egg off face:
Edited by AlexDougherty on November 29, 2014 3:18PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.I really like the new ophidian from sanctum. Only thing they need to do is bring light and heavy sets on the same level. New Aether is only mediocre and nobody will use it over the "old" Aether.
I wouldnt. I already have enough of the light set. Buts theres no point wearing it.
I´m at 4/5 vicious Ophidia. When i get the fifth piece i will consider going on stamina with my Main DK. Its that good. And it also looks cool. Best looking Medium Set so far!
Edited by xMovingTarget on November 29, 2014 4:30PM4 -
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✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.If it had either the cost reduction or the stam upon killing an enemy, it would be balanced, but with both it's slightly out of hand2013
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✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.it's funny. People complained that dropped armor wasn't as good as crafted armor. Now they make armor that's better than crafted armor and people complain. This game is destined to fail. Not because of ZoS but because of a player base that has gone full ***. Never go full ***.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!13 -
BEZDNA✭✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.@xMovingTargetxMovingTarget wrote: »When i get the fifth piece i will consider going on stamina with my Main DK.
I made s screen shot!Edited by BEZDNA on November 29, 2014 4:39PM1 -
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✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »it's funny. People complained that dropped armor wasn't as good as crafted armor. Now they make armor that's better than crafted armor and people complain. This game is destined to fail. Not because of ZoS but because of a player base that has gone full ***. Never go full ***.
Some cmplained that dropped sets weren't as good as crafted sets, some of us like the crafted sets.
But yeah, you will never get full agreement on anything.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.@xMovingTargetxMovingTarget wrote: »When i get the fifth piece i will consider going on stamina with my Main DK.
I made s screen shot!
Of course. right now i play 2h/DW on dk
with only 4 piece vicious ophidia. its amazing. Rending slashes only costs 72 stamina, Executioner only 158 stamina. teh -snip-. i like it 0 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.xMovingTarget wrote: »Of course. right now i play 2h/DW on dk with only 4 piece vicious ophidia. its amazing. Rending slashes only costs 72 stamina, Executioner only 158 stamina. teh -snip-. i like it
And this is what I feared. Is there anyone who actually voted no and isn't planning to use that set? Anyone who considers crafted sets to be better and will use them instead?
Please show me one of those that wasn't a complete troll or a misinformed post that was contradicted by everyone else in the thread. I'd really like to see it.deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »it's funny. People complained that dropped armor wasn't as good as crafted armor. Now they make armor that's better than crafted armor and people complain. This game is destined to fail. Not because of ZoS but because of a player base that has gone full ***. Never go full ***.
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✭✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.i find the irritation in the power and the lack of customization for players why give us motifs if were all gonna be wearing that? since crafting means nothing in sets
honestly i think they should bring the crafting sets up in power to compensate. or maybe the serpent will drop in power once the vet ranks go byebye in champion system finaleEdited by Mettaricana on November 29, 2014 5:14PM0 -
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✭✭✭I agree with the sentiment that it would be nice if Crafted sets could be expanded. Why can't crafters learn to unlock these new sets? They both contain styles that people might/don't want to use and also have stats which people feel they must use. I've already run into this problem in the past with characters, who for instance I wanted to always keep in Imperial armor for theme but simply could not. They could make a more robust 'costume' system for this if they wanted, I suppose. The other alternative, and the more interesting one I think would be to make it a difficult climb for crafters to learn sets like Warlock, Storm Knight, or any other set out there that is found in the world. I find that possibility more interesting.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
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✭Personally I think that medium armors were blown out of proportions some time ago when the devs panicked and tried to balance stamina builds better. @Paul_Sage has always (allegedly) been an adamant advocate of small and gradual balance changes but it is getting out of hand now.
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Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.It takes a decent amount of work to get the full set.
I'm totally fine with good sets dropping from challenging tasks.
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itsBishop✭✭✭I'm glad that there are some high-end, highly sought after sets that aren't easily accessible simply by spending 25+ days passively researching traits. Without a carrot at the end of the stick endgame starts to unravel. You can't have it all served on a silver platter for you just for logging into the game.Purple
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.xMovingTarget wrote: »Of course. right now i play 2h/DW on dk with only 4 piece vicious ophidia. its amazing. Rending slashes only costs 72 stamina, Executioner only 158 stamina. teh -snip-. i like it
And this is what I feared. Is there anyone who actually voted no and isn't planning to use that set? Anyone who considers crafted sets to be better and will use them instead?
Please show me one of those that wasn't a complete troll or a misinformed post that was contradicted by everyone else in the thread. I'd really like to see it.deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »it's funny. People complained that dropped armor wasn't as good as crafted armor. Now they make armor that's better than crafted armor and people complain. This game is destined to fail. Not because of ZoS but because of a player base that has gone full ***. Never go full ***.
I voted no and I will never freaking use a stamina build in this game. I hope they add more sets that are this nice and require that kind of effort to acquire.Edited by PBpsy on November 29, 2014 6:49PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)3 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.
Thanks, you just pointed out what's wrong with the crafting system.I'm glad that there are some high-end, highly sought after sets that aren't easily accessible simply by spending 25+ days passively researching traits.
There is no endgame crafting. Everyone can do everything too easily. There is no challenge and therefore no rewards for crafters.
In other words, crafting sucks.
In ESO Live, @ZOS_PaulSage stated that there would be the possibility to craft unique items at some point. That would surely help but right now I don't see any reason to spend time in crafting. [source, at 01:29:00]
Let me guess @PBpsy ... if you're not using stamina builds, are you:I voted no and I will never freaking use a stamina build in this game. I hope they add more sets that are this nice and require that kind of effort to acquire.
- a tank using 5x Footman (and soon 5x Eternal Warrior in addition to it)
- a magicka DD using 3x Wise Mage (Aether)
- a healer with 5x Warlock
- none of the above? please specify!
Edited by Gyudan on November 29, 2014 7:01PMWololo.0 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.-To get hunding's rage all you have to do is go on a guild store, buy an item, and click research 6 times over the period of a few weeks.
-To get 5 pieces of vicious ophidian, you have to spend quite a while getting through Sanctum Ophidia and then quite a while longer doing it again and again until you get the pieces you need.
In other words, crafting is easy and the current highest-end raid gear, from content that 98% of the game population probably can't even come close to finishing, should be better than it. There would be no reason to do any endgame content if you could just go and craft better gear.
The perks for crafting are that you can get it when you want it even if you have to buy it from someone, put whatever style you want on it, and whatever trait you want it, no RNG at all. Being better than everything else is not a perk that should apply to crafted gear.
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Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.timidobserver wrote: »-To get hunding's rage all you have to do is go on a guild store, buy an item, and click research 6 times over the period of a few weeks.
-To get 5 pieces of vicious ophidian, you have to spend quite a while getting through Sanctum Ophidia and then quite a while longer doing it again and again until you get the pieces you need.
In other words, crafting is easy and the current highest-end raid gear, from content that 98% of the game population probably can't even come close to finishing, should be better than it. There would be no reason to do any endgame content if you could just go and craft better gear.
The perks for crafting are that you can get it when you want it even if you have to buy it from someone, put whatever style you want on it, and whatever trait you want it, no RNG at all. Being better than everything else is not a perk that should apply to crafted gear.
What will be the next item grind then?
When the next content part is released, it will add even better sets to force you to abandon your current OP gear.
Crafted sets will remain exactly the same, as they have been since June. The difference will just keep increasing until crafted gear completely disappears from the "decent" builds.Wololo.5 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.
Thanks, you just pointed out what's wrong with the crafting system.I'm glad that there are some high-end, highly sought after sets that aren't easily accessible simply by spending 25+ days passively researching traits.
There is no endgame crafting. Everyone can do everything too easily. There is no challenge and therefore no rewards for crafters.
In other words, crafting sucks.
In ESO Live, @ZOS_PaulSage stated that there would be the possibility to craft unique items at some point. That would surely help but right now I don't see any reason to spend time in crafting. [source, at 01:29:00]
Let me guess @PBpsy ... if you're not using stamina builds, are you:I voted no and I will never freaking use a stamina build in this game. I hope they add more sets that are this nice and require that kind of effort to acquire.
- a tank using 5x Footman (and soon 5x Eternal Warrior in addition to it)
- a magicka DD using 3x Wise Mage (Aether)
- a healer with 5x Warlock
- none of the above? please specify!
All of the above.
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xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.yes, it does.
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.
No just a mix. Many of the sets that you craft are still very useful. They are so useful as to get you to the point where you can get those slightly improved sets. I am for more diversity and power for crafted sets also.It would be cool if they could actually mix crating with end game trials/dungeons/arena running though.Edited by PBpsy on November 29, 2014 8:19PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
guybrushtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.Well, compared to others the thing that really stands out is that it just gets additional "fluff" boni, I personally wouldn't mind losing the stamina on kill or the movement speed at all.
What I'm more excited about is the opportunity to stack 2 cost reductions for up to 62% for weapon skills, which does sound nice.Edited by guybrushtb16_ESO on November 29, 2014 8:26PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭No, Vicious Serpent is fine and shouldn't be changed.timidobserver wrote: »-To get hunding's rage all you have to do is go on a guild store, buy an item, and click research 6 times over the period of a few weeks.
-To get 5 pieces of vicious ophidian, you have to spend quite a while getting through Sanctum Ophidia and then quite a while longer doing it again and again until you get the pieces you need.
In other words, crafting is easy and the current highest-end raid gear, from content that 98% of the game population probably can't even come close to finishing, should be better than it. There would be no reason to do any endgame content if you could just go and craft better gear.
The perks for crafting are that you can get it when you want it even if you have to buy it from someone, put whatever style you want on it, and whatever trait you want it, no RNG at all. Being better than everything else is not a perk that should apply to crafted gear.
What will be the next item grind then?
When the next content part is released, it will add even better sets to force you to abandon your current OP gear.
Crafted sets will remain exactly the same, as they have been since June. The difference will just keep increasing until crafted gear completely disappears from the "decent" builds.
Eh, compare the amount of people wearing crafted sets versus Sanctum Ophidia sets. At the point that most people are wearing Sanctum Ophidia gear and nobody is wearing crafted gear, we can talk.
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Leeric✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Um, it's 4% critical on the vicious serpent set not 8%.
But it does seem overpowered (yes, I get it's supposed to be a reward for a difficult challenge, but even so).
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✭✭Yes, Vicious Serpent is too strong and should be closer to craftable sets.AlexDougherty wrote: »Um, it's 4% critical on the vicious serpent set not 8%.
But it does seem overpowered (yes, I get it's supposed to be a reward for a difficult challenge, but even so).
4+4=8....SWWWOOOOSSSHHHH
I already admitted to egg on my face.
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