Formal request for target dummies. (1.6 is a perfect example)

Septimus_Magna

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

A Frost Staff. My usual Fire Staff just makes em' faster and meaner. Softcapped Max Magic, Magic Regen, Weapon Damage which you can get to with Critical Surge which you also need. 50%+ Spell Critical and Hardened Ward. Go stand in em' and spam Elemental Ring.

You sacrifice 10% crit from the fire staff to slow them down? If you want to kill high hp mobs just use Lightning Flood or Volcanic Rune, its no problem for high level sorcs. Also you dont need Hardened Ward if you use Crit Surge because you heal yourself on every impulse. Most dungeon bosses in Craglorn are solo-able as sorc if you know what you're doing. If you have around 1k dps a 38k boss is down in under a minute.

Septimus_Magna

I would like to have some target dummies, maybe a system where they progress if you go to higher level area's? I believe people can get 1.6k dps on a 6.4k Giant but most of them will be nowhere near that when doing 50k damage for example.

e.chiesa73b16_ESO

here is my +1
I'm an healer and when I play as dps I suck. It would be cool to have ways to improve my rotation

Islyn

Yes to Target Dummies please!

Koensol

Its ridiculous that the devs haven't added this yet. Saying it goes against you vision (if you do that) is total bs because people will use different methods (mammoths and giants) to get it done. Just make our lives a bit easier would ya?

Blud

dharbert wrote: »

There's a reason why there are no practice dummies. It's the same reason why they won't implement friendly duels. They don't want you to know your DPS, which skills are working correctly and which aren't, test out your build, and other things like that.

If you've been playing this game for even a little while, you would know that their modus operandi is to keep us in the dark as much as possible.

But this is a FORMAL request.

They have to do it now.

AlexDougherty

Blud wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There's a reason why there are no practice dummies. It's the same reason why they won't implement friendly duels. They don't want you to know your DPS, which skills are working correctly and which aren't, test out your build, and other things like that.

If you've been playing this game for even a little while, you would know that their modus operandi is to keep us in the dark as much as possible.

But this is a FORMAL request.

They have to do it now.

Unless they remember how to Formally Decline.

MissBizz

These would be cool. Although I second the...

You cannot mount while in combat. Lol

Winnower

go to the unkillable mobs in cyrodiil near the imperial city. maybe take a healer.

*TEST YOUR MIGHT*

yeah, real target dummies would be better, but this way healers can test their builds too. . .

Alphashado

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I would like to have some target dummies, maybe a system where they progress if you go to higher level area's? I believe people can get 1.6k dps on a 6.4k Giant but most of them will be nowhere near that when doing 50k damage for example.

I've seen it set up that way before. They could put a few sets in each zone so that the dummy's armor and spell resistances were on par with the mobs in that zone. Then there could be a few sets set up in major cities or elsewhere that matched the armor and spell resistances of VR bosses and Trial Bosses.

Just as an example, in WoW there were dummies set up called lvl 20 target, level 40 target, level 60 target, Dungeon boss target, Raid boss target, etc.

Alphashado

Even the NPCs mock us. I only wanted to share with this guy.

helediron

Still asking formally, politely and persistently dummies.

Suggestion: add a dummylike monster into some of the instanced dungeons. E.g. copy Bogdan and rename it to Bogus. Place it into a side room next to dungeon entrance. Remove all adds and special attacks. Tone down base attacks so it is soloable, but takes some minutes to kill. It should be simple copypaste and rip-extra-code effort.

pppontus

I mean .. give the target dummies already in game 500K hp and make them attackable. Job done. You'd be praised to no end by just about everyone.

There couldn't even be an easier way to make people happy ^^

AlexDougherty

Alphashado wrote: »

Even the NPCs mock us. I only wanted to share with this guy.

NPCs do rule the world, they are called Politicians.

b92303008rwb17_ESO

Any news on adding target dummies in update 6? Is there some kind of technical difficulty that keep the devs from doing so?

AlexDougherty

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Any news on adding target dummies in update 6? Is there some kind of technical difficulty that keep the devs from doing so?

No news yet, don't think there is any major technical difficulty.

Sallington

This is kind of useless without any feedback on damage numbers, but if your playing without the addon that does that for them (FTC), then I don't know what you're doing with your life.

Alphashado

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Any news on adding target dummies in update 6? Is there some kind of technical difficulty that keep the devs from doing so?

No news what so ever. To my knowledge, ZoS has never even responded to any of the multiple threads asking for this.

I was really wishing I had one on the PTS to test new skills and get a basic idea for what is "good dps" with the conversion.

It seems like it would be incredibly easy to do and it just doesn't make any sense why they stubbornly refuse to even comment on it.

I've read several comments from Devs about working on "quality of life" additions. This would certainly fall under that category.

Soulshine

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There's a reason why there are no practice dummies. It's the same reason why they won't implement friendly duels. They don't want you to know your DPS, which skills are working correctly and which aren't, test out your build, and other things like that.

If you've been playing this game for even a little while, you would know that their modus operandi is to keep us in the dark as much as possible.

This is just wrong. The game exposes all kinds of stuff through the API, and anyone can write a lua script to get at the data you are interested in.

There are training dummies everywhere. They call em' World Bosses in this game.

And ^^^this is "wrong" as well. The API was shredded quite heavily just before live and is presently a former shell of what it once allowed you to access; the threads about those changes raged for weeks over here and also on TF where discussion about how this affected the FTC add on were significant as well.

As far as dummies, we have been asking for testing dummies since beta and afik there has never been an official reply of any kind as to why they won't add them.

Naivefanboi

Alphashado wrote: »

I find it strange that ESO does not have any target dummies. Most of the other high grade MMOs I've played over the years had target dummies in order to check/test your dps and rotation. It's tough to do this in ESO because your typical mob dies too fast.

Even if you are whacking away on an elite mob, you will still generally kill them well before you start to run low on resources, and this is when you really want to test your build. You want to know what your sustained dps is when you start running out of magicka/stamina etc. So in a nutshell, mobs (even elite mobs) are OK for testing burst damage dps, but not any good at all for testing sustained dps/rotations.

I'm no programmer, but it seems like it would be easy enough to install yellow target dummies with a million health that resets after combat ends. I've even seen them in game at certain locations.



You could put them in a few cities in each zone in order to give them the appropriate amount of mitigation and resistances for each level bracket. This is something that successful MMOs do. One of the little things that ESO is missing.

ZoS could we please get some target dummies in major cities at least.

If you support this idea, please post and keep this thread alive. Also, you can suggest this via /feedback in-game if you are interested.

great point would feed their anti addon agenda also so win win. especially since consoles might not have addons...
so can prolly guarantee will never see it. oh i know coming soon to the crown store near you! target dummies one of each race! got collect em all! lol

Septimus_Magna

Ive played on the pts, with the preset vr14 templar, and it seems that enemies have a lot more health now. So I think you can get realistic dps numbers on vr10 giants, trolls or netchs. It defenitly would be better to have statics target dummies but these mobs will be better to test dps than before.

Torquebow

This is just another part of this games identity crisis. Am I an MMO or Skyrim with friends?!

Elsonso

I thought they added practice dummies in Update 6...

You can use them all day long. Just remember to pay your bounty.

AlexDougherty

lordrichter wrote: »

I thought they added practice dummies in Update 6...

You can use them all day long. Just remember to pay your bounty.

LOL

Alphashado

lordrichter wrote: »

I thought they added practice dummies in Update 6...

You can use them all day long. Just remember to pay your bounty.

Kinda hard to test your DPS on a Target Dummy when he is screaming "Stop Thief" while he two-shots me

That being said, I don't see why they can't use the guard template, slap a target skin on it, root it in place, remove the justice flagging system from him and remove offensive abilities. Vuwalah!

vokage89

hahah man .. ppl have been asking for target dummies for sooo long.. cmon zos =/
friendly duels... would be nice too...

Alphashado

The problem I see how is the justice system. It wouldn't be bad in it's current state because you could just make sure no guards patrolled that area in order to avoid aoe dmg hitting the guards.

But if/when PvP is implemented, I could easily see griefers hanging around the test area just hoping to flag someone.

Funkopotamus

THIS IS NOT RIFT....

Alphashado

Funkopotamus wrote: »

THIS IS NOT RIFT....

Rift isn't the only MMO with target dummies. They are in almost every MMO that has competitive end game content. Rift has horses. ESO has horses. Gonna freak out about that too? Or perhaps we should scream that ESO is a WoW clone because it has a bank?

There are hundreds of fundamental features found in many MMOs because they are in demand., not because one is trying to copy the other.

Lykurgis

Alphashado wrote: »

There are hundreds of fundamental features found in many MMOs because they are in demand., not because one is trying to copy the other.

Exactly this, many of us have asked repeatedly from the beginning for this, quite possibly the biggest qualityof life upgrade for anyone doing trials/vet dsa or just vaguely interested in improving their DPS, build, or weaving.

Really wish @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or someone could give us a definitive answer.

As I have mentioned elsewhere on these forums, this (target dummies) would be a great item for the crown store.