freespirit wrote: »jzak374ub17_ESO wrote: »freespirit wrote: »jzak374ub17_ESO wrote: »freespirit wrote: »I posted earlier in this thread that I gained a whole level in VR5 Reapers March since 1.5......
What I actually said was that I entered the area at VR5, had to wait for 'Grim Situation' to be fixed, after it was I quickly leveled to VR6 and about 20 mins after entering VR6 Stonefalls I leveled to VR7.
To do this(the leveling to VR7 bit) I completed one World Boss, Strifeswarm Kwama Mine and discovered three Wayshrines, killing mobs on the way.
Today I have completed Bleakrock Isle and Bal Foyen, I currently have 292,267/1,000,000xp. I have not done a single quest in Stonefalls, 59 of which are needed for the achievement, so I truly do not think that I will enter the next area without being well into VR8.
I am finding it hard to see the problem here.
For any doubters ......
Not everyone drags their feet like you do. This isn't a single player game. Not everyone, and in fact, I'd say MOST PEOPLE want to reach endgame without having to do everything in the game there is.
PvP and Trials are what people want to do. With other people. Since 1.5 hit, though, there's been a massive exodus of players. (1 bar of population on AD PvP Thornblade? WHAT?)
I don't understand why we get all these people treating ESO like their comfy single player game that happens to have people. Its designed like an MMO, it should act like an MMO.
I have a VR14 Sorc, I play endgame, I do Undaunted Pledges, I am leveling my Templar to aid as a healer for my Guild's endgame experience.....
I certainly AM NOT dragging my feet!!......
I love playing in a group, I do not treat this a solo player experience!!
Oh and I also participate in the many GROUP opportunities that Craglorn presents..... sorry to disappoint you
Dude, I don't care about you. This is a discussion about the game. I'm saying most people want to reach endgame without completing every aspect of the game there is in its entirety. What you do with you guild and your characters, I could care less.
Your playstyle, however, is not fast or effective, and should not be considered the "norm" for what players want out of leveling.
So go to one of the many areas that still exist......
IF you know the game.....
Which funnily enough I do......
Due to my 'totally ineffective playstyle'......
Where you can still grind mobs!!!
freespirit wrote: »
The character I am talking about is VR7 currently and has gained TWO levels since 1.5.........
See my earlier posts!!
Then you should be able to show us a Screen Shot of the two zones Adventurers Achievements, the two Zones Delves Achievements, the two zones Boss Achievements, the two Zones Dolmen Achievements if you say you got there by questing and only doing content.
If you ground your way through mobs, then your talking about something different.
Tierney369neb18_ESO wrote: »I'm getting a little concerned that the people who think levelling is just fine are attacking the people that think the levelling is slower even though all thoese that are posting slower levelling have actually given decent start and finish point of where their xp is and what they done in an entire zone to achieve it.
Yet all those bar the odd one that are just attacking and criticizing coming out with empty comment such as stop skipping mobs spacebarring through quests haven't actual posted anything valid to support their theory that levelling is fine they are just criticizing the people that have concern but giving very fluffy and wooly information on what progression they have actually made themselves my guess is they haven't tried.
So rather than criticize if you actually disagree and think levelling and xp is ok in its current form to level in a normal levelling format and i'm not talking about power grinds. Then please post your information to support your actual experience since 1.5.5 to what it was prior to 1.5 and whether its any faster or slower. Bear in mind prior to 1.5 you could easily attain a Vet rank without having to fully complete one zone.
Also bear in mind it was ZoS intention to make levelling faster in 1.5.
To those of us who have gone through entire zones only to end up with 75% of a level, you saying that you've gained 125% of a level by doing the same is like you claiming the sky is green.We do post our detailed information. We get called liars, called names, and get people insulting us. I'm done posting in this thread - I thought it was for sharing information. Instead it's a place for angry people to lash out at folks who disagree with them.
Leveling sucks.
Thats teh bottom line.
For some reaosn ZOS decided to make it as tedious and iritaing as they could.
Lets see just how much horse "stuff" our customers can take before they leave.
Or someone lost a bet and here we are ....
Tierney369neb18_ESO wrote: »I'm getting a little concerned that the people who think levelling is just fine are attacking the people that think the levelling is slower even though all thoese that are posting slower levelling have actually given decent start and finish point of where their xp is and what they done in an entire zone to achieve it.
Yet all those bar the odd one that are just attacking and criticizing coming out with empty comment such as stop skipping mobs spacebarring through quests haven't actual posted anything valid to support their theory that levelling is fine they are just criticizing the people that have concern but giving very fluffy and wooly information on what progression they have actually made themselves my guess is they haven't tried.
So rather than criticize if you actually disagree and think levelling and xp is ok in its current form to level in a normal levelling format and i'm not talking about power grinds. Then please post your information to support your actual experience since 1.5.5 to what it was prior to 1.5 and whether its any faster or slower. Bear in mind prior to 1.5 you could easily attain a Vet rank without having to fully complete one zone.
Also bear in mind it was ZoS intention to make levelling faster in 1.5.
We do post our detailed information. We get called liars, called names, and get people insulting us. I'm done posting in this thread - I thought it was for sharing information. Instead it's a place for angry people to lash out at folks who disagree with them.
Tierney369neb18_ESO wrote: »I'm getting a little concerned that the people who think levelling is just fine are attacking the people that think the levelling is slower even though all thoese that are posting slower levelling have actually given decent start and finish point of where their xp is and what they done in an entire zone to achieve it.
Yet all those bar the odd one that are just attacking and criticizing coming out with empty comment such as stop skipping mobs spacebarring through quests haven't actual posted anything valid to support their theory that levelling is fine they are just criticizing the people that have concern but giving very fluffy and wooly information on what progression they have actually made themselves my guess is they haven't tried.
So rather than criticize if you actually disagree and think levelling and xp is ok in its current form to level in a normal levelling format and i'm not talking about power grinds. Then please post your information to support your actual experience since 1.5.5 to what it was prior to 1.5 and whether its any faster or slower. Bear in mind prior to 1.5 you could easily attain a Vet rank without having to fully complete one zone.
Also bear in mind it was ZoS intention to make levelling faster in 1.5.
We do post our detailed information. We get called liars, called names, and get people insulting us. I'm done posting in this thread - I thought it was for sharing information. Instead it's a place for angry people to lash out at folks who disagree with them.
This is exactly the situation. For some reason it's ok to call out the people who say leveling is the same/slightly faster, but not the other way around.
My stance is this - forums have a lot of whiners and complainers. Forums have a lot of trolls. The people who posted that leveling was the same tended to be more calm and reasonable. The people who posted that leveling was slower tended to have a more angry tone (rant and rave etc..). Of course this is a generalization so don't take it personally.
If both sides are posting evidence, I will believe the calm reasonable people.
Maverick827 wrote: »To those of us who have gone through entire zones only to end up with 75% of a level, you saying that you've gained 125% of a level by doing the same is like you claiming the sky is green.We do post our detailed information. We get called liars, called names, and get people insulting us. I'm done posting in this thread - I thought it was for sharing information. Instead it's a place for angry people to lash out at folks who disagree with them.
In Malabal Tor, I have cleared most of the map, I just have the quests around Baandori Trading Post (and there are a few of them there) I have 5 skyshards to get, 3 being outside and with little to no combat and some World Bosses and I am a little over 60% to get to the next rank. It will be interesting to see if the remaining quests and bosses will get me there. I did get some decent exp in one delve getting a skyshard, but that was because I had to do it twice having missed the shard the first time.
There was one quest that gave me a skill point but it was not a complicated quest and I got around 8 or 9K points for that one. So, not all skill point awarding quests are considered complicated.
Maybe it's more a situation that some zones give the exp needed to gain a rank, and some don't. However even the people who say they are getting one rank a zone does not make the leveling faster as ZOS intended. We were all getting one rank per zone before.
olemanwinter wrote: »How is 1-50 great, but Caldwell's Gold and Silver terrible? Aren't they exactly the same thing, but under a different faction? I hear people say this a lot, but it's literally the same quest line (minus a few of course) you would do if you chose a different race/faction.
Maybe it's great because 1-50 is the FIRST TIME you are playing it through.
Think of your feeling when you watch a movie you like for the first time. Great right?
So good, you might like watching it again a month later or a year later. But not twice again that same night!
As you said, "it's literally the same quest line". And that's the problem. Nobody I know enjoys replaying the same quests again a 2nd and 3rd time with the only change being the ridiculous change in sides.
Consider the following analogy:
At 5pm you watch The Hunt for Red October for the first time.
"Great movie" you say.
"I know", I say, "You should really watch Crimson Tide too".
"Put it in" you say, excitedly.
"Sure", I say "Just watch The Hunt for Red October twice more right now and then I'll let you watch Crimson Tide."
- And Oh by the way, you have to keep paying to rewatch the first movie while you wait too.
It's not really possible.Maverick827 wrote: »To those of us who have gone through entire zones only to end up with 75% of a level, you saying that you've gained 125% of a level by doing the same is like you claiming the sky is green.We do post our detailed information. We get called liars, called names, and get people insulting us. I'm done posting in this thread - I thought it was for sharing information. Instead it's a place for angry people to lash out at folks who disagree with them.
I have to step into this thread to ask, is it possible that some people ARE getting more XP and others are getting less? Could some character types and/or classes be optimized to get more XP out of the same content than others?
If everyone here is telling the truth as they've experienced it, and as passionate as people are about this topic, I tend to believe they are, I have to think there's something more going on with the mechanics of how the XP is being awarded than we've been told.
Getting the impression that the xp in the vet zones is alot higher now.
My first char through the vet zones did about a vet rank per zone.
My second char is advancing alot faster now after 1.5.5
At the end of the vet 3 zone, my new char is now vet 4 and 550k xp towards vet 5. Thats 1,5 vet ranks above his current zone.
(and thats with vet zone content beeing the only xp source. Not done any vet dungeons, pvp or mob xp grinding on that char)
Tierney369neb18_ESO wrote: »Getting the impression that the xp in the vet zones is alot higher now.
My first char through the vet zones did about a vet rank per zone.
My second char is advancing alot faster now after 1.5.5
At the end of the vet 3 zone, my new char is now vet 4 and 550k xp towards vet 5. Thats 1,5 vet ranks above his current zone.
(and thats with vet zone content beeing the only xp source. Not done any vet dungeons, pvp or mob xp grinding on that char)
Hi gore what was the highest xp you were receiving from a quest if I may ask because in reapers March I was getting occasional quests that gave me approx 16k xp but when I then did stone falls starting ca dwells gold highest xp I ever got from a quest was 9750xp things don't seem very consistent some people I'm now starting to wonder if the scaling is right as you level each rank because everyone seems to be experiencing different gains for clearing a zone eg in two zones first being reapers March I was about 200k short even after clearing all and after stone fall I was 140k short after clear and I am properly clearing I'm not skipping anything but other people are posting gaining a level or even surpassing a lever per cleared zone
Do you get more xp when your grouped with someone or is it the same, also how many people have rings of Mara activated and how much does this actually buff your xp gain
Tierney369neb18_ESO wrote: »Getting the impression that the xp in the vet zones is alot higher now.
My first char through the vet zones did about a vet rank per zone.
My second char is advancing alot faster now after 1.5.5
At the end of the vet 3 zone, my new char is now vet 4 and 550k xp towards vet 5. Thats 1,5 vet ranks above his current zone.
(and thats with vet zone content beeing the only xp source. Not done any vet dungeons, pvp or mob xp grinding on that char)
Hi gore what was the highest xp you were receiving from a quest if I may ask because in reapers March I was getting occasional quests that gave me approx 16k xp but when I then did stone falls starting ca dwells gold highest xp I ever got from a quest was 9750xp things don't seem very consistent some people I'm now starting to wonder if the scaling is right as you level each rank because everyone seems to be experiencing different gains for clearing a zone eg in two zones first being reapers March I was about 200k short even after clearing all and after stone fall I was 140k short after clear and I am properly clearing I'm not skipping anything but other people are posting gaining a level or even surpassing a lever per cleared zone
Do you get more xp when your grouped with someone or is it the same, also how many people have rings of Mara activated and how much does this actually buff your xp gain
I haven't done them recently, but I know in past the mobs gave no XP, it was only once you defeated the main Troll boss that you got anything.AssaultLemming wrote: »Anyone had a go at using the nirncrux mines to level? Constant waves of mobs spawning forever, solo or duoable, might be worth a shot...
Reasons people might lie from the "less xp" crowd:
They are trolls.
They are spoiled brats who will never be happy.
They are pissed that they have to do more work (ie..no more Craglorn boss grind).
Their class got hit by the nerf bat at some point and they still haven't gotten over it.
They are skipping content (not only mobs) and don't know it.
They are skipping more mobs than your average person would.
They are remembering their last veteran experience incorrectly (probably because it was a long time ago for some).
I think that your generalization about who is lying and motivation is arbitrary and without foundation in fact.
Reasons people might lie from the "less xp" crowd:
They are trolls.
They are spoiled brats who will never be happy.
They are pissed that they have to do more work (ie..no more Craglorn boss grind).
Their class got hit by the nerf bat at some point and they still haven't gotten over it.
They are skipping content (not only mobs) and don't know it.
They are skipping more mobs than your average person would.
They are remembering their last veteran experience incorrectly (probably because it was a long time ago for some).
I think that your generalization about who is lying and motivation is arbitrary and without foundation in fact.
And yours isn't? Please.
He wasn't the person you initially replied to, I am. I haven't addressed your post because I've quit the game and am playing Dragon Age instead. I no longer have a stake in this game.Reasons people might lie from the "less xp" crowd:
They are trolls.
They are spoiled brats who will never be happy.
They are pissed that they have to do more work (ie..no more Craglorn boss grind).
Their class got hit by the nerf bat at some point and they still haven't gotten over it.
They are skipping content (not only mobs) and don't know it.
They are skipping more mobs than your average person would.
They are remembering their last veteran experience incorrectly (probably because it was a long time ago for some).
I think that your generalization about who is lying and motivation is arbitrary and without foundation in fact.
And yours isn't? Please.
I provided specific examples of why a person would lie, potentially disproving your theory. I have yet to see you address mine.